Red Hat Engineer Calls out Windows 8 Secure Boot as a Linux Risk - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Jookia;32448932] The part where it's not mandatory for OEMs to allow it to be disabled.[/QUOTE] People always manage to get around things, no matter what. If a company really did start selling PCs with an inability to disable this someone would break it one way or another pretty quickly. I honestly don't think a company would be stupid enough to do that though.

[QUOTE=Jsm;32449364]People always manage to get around things, no matter what. If a company really did start selling PCs with an inability to disable this someone would break it one way or another pretty quickly. I honestly don't think a company would be stupid enough to do that though.[/QUOTE] You shouldn't have to break it.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;32449348]Uhh I think you completely underestimate how widespread Linux is. In some countries it's used in schools. 3-5% of the market is huge.[/QUOTE] Keywords here: [B]Normal idiot who only uses it for facebook[/B]

[QUOTE=jordguitar;32449380]Keywords here: [B]Normal idiot who only uses it for facebook[/B][/QUOTE] My family are "Normal idiots who only use it for facebook" and they do it on Ubuntu fine. Just because 3-5% is a minority who's stereotyped to have tons of computer knowledge does not make it cool to shit on them. There's more and more Linux users who are no more knowledgeable than the average Windows user.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;32449403]My family are "Normal idiots who only use it for facebook" and they do it on Ubuntu fine. Just because 3-5% is a minority who's stereotyped to have tons of computer knowledge does not make it cool to shit on them. There's more and more Linux users who are no more knowledgeable than the average Windows user.[/QUOTE] Did they go out to the store and pick one out and set it up out of the box, turn it on and were booted into ubuntu? I am going to go ahead and say no and that you did that which means that the normal computer illiterate person wont know how to do it and wont care at all.

[QUOTE=jordguitar;32449430]Did they go out to the store and pick one out and set it up out of the box, turn it on and were booted into ubuntu? I am going to go ahead and say no and that you did that which means that the normal computer illiterate person wont know how to do it and wont care at all.[/QUOTE] They uhh inserted a disc into the drive and Ubuntu installed itself... like Windows. Computer came with an OLD operating system (XP) they'd have to replace it either way.

The days of "normal" people using complicated what-we-currently-know-as PCs will be over with soon anyway.

[QUOTE=ChrisHovis;32449783]The days of "normal" people using complicated what-we-currently-know-as PCs will be over with soon anyway.[/QUOTE] Every try to write an essay on a tablet? Yeah, I doubt it.

This article is completely stupid Even ignoring the fact that you can disable this in the bios, you'd be hard pressed to find any single Linux user on the planet who would by a pre-built OEM computers from the likes of Gateway, Dell, etc (which this affects) And what about the people who do buy OEM dells and such? Why on earth would they have any leigitmate interest in Linux? I doubt they are going to be throwing this onto laptops. And even then... you can disable it. Or just not order a laptop with this feature on it. This only affects the mass public market. AKA not Linux's user base anyways

[QUOTE=KorJax;32450031] This only affects the mass public market. AKA not Linux's user base anyways[/QUOTE] It doesn't even effect that to be honest. Only business's (and government related entities) have a legit use for this sort of thing so I can't really see hardware manufacturers forcing it upon people. I would actually think that like a few other technologies not aimed at home users manufacturers might try to squeeze more money out of people for it.

[QUOTE=Panda X;32440655]Microsoft's response: [url]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/22/protecting-the-pre-os-environment-with-uefi.aspx[/url] UEFI allows firmware to implement a security policy [B]Secure boot is a UEFI protocol [/B]not a Windows 8 feature UEFI secure boot is part of Windows 8 secured boot architecture Windows 8 utilizes secure boot to ensure that the pre-OS environment is secure [B]Secure boot doesn’t “lock out” operating system loaders, but is is a policy that allows firmware to validate authenticity of components[/B] OEMs have the ability to customize their firmware to meet the needs of their customers by customizing the level of certificate and policy management on their platform [B]Microsoft does not mandate or control the settings on PC firmware that control or enable secured boot from any operating system other than Windows[/B] also [img]http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/0624.Figure_2D00_5_2D002D002D00_Samsung_2D00_PC_2D00_secured_2D00_boot_2D00_setting_5F00_thumb_5F00_02016A69.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I am quoting this because people still cant seem to read.

People Who get prebuilt pcs with secure boot enabled aren't usually the kind of people Who would want to install linux

[QUOTE=Jawalt;32450028]Every try to write an essay on a tablet? Yeah, I doubt it.[/QUOTE] Because you can't get a wireless keyboard for a tablet? I've never understood why geeks, the people who should embrace change, fight so hard against it so much of the time. Just look at this thread, it's the same thing on a smaller scale: SECURITY?! YOU'RE GONNA DESTROY MY LINUX NO EFI STICK WITH BIOS

Windows XP: OpenGL Windows Vista and 7: DRM Windows 8: "Secure" boot (watch it get hacked instantly) The only reason I'm sticking with Microsoft is because of god damn DirectX. Until we, as a society, get rid of that piece of shit, I'm stuck with this shit.

[quote] That said Garrett added that, "there's no indication that Microsoft will prevent vendors from providing firmware support for disabling this feature and running unsigned code." [/quote] This coupled with the claims that you can turn off secure boot, I don't really see the big deal.

Virtual box linux, problem solved

[QUOTE=nikomo;32457398]Windows XP: OpenGL Windows Vista and 7: DRM Windows 8: "Secure" boot (watch it get hacked instantly) The only reason I'm sticking with Microsoft is because of god damn DirectX. Until we, as a society, get rid of that piece of shit, I'm stuck with this shit.[/QUOTE] What do you mean OpenGL and DRM? Also secure boot has nothing to do with Windows 8, it's UEFI.

[QUOTE=nikomo;32457398]Windows XP: OpenGL Windows Vista and 7: DRM Windows 8: "Secure" boot (watch it get hacked instantly) The only reason I'm sticking with Microsoft is because of god damn DirectX. Until we, as a society, get rid of that piece of shit, I'm stuck with this shit.[/QUOTE] What the hell are you going on about OpenGL. Microsoft was not responsible for that. And what DRM are you talking about unless your thinking about the activation stuff that has been in all windows versions, your just spewing shit out of your mouth.

Microsoft is always this selfish, they just think that just because they are the richest company in the world means that they can litteraly take over anything.

It makes sense really. Now that projects like reactOS are really starting to go somewhere Microsoft has to try and enforce their monopoly any way they can.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;32459722]It makes sense really. [b]Now that projects like reactOS are really starting to go somewhere[/b] Microsoft has to try and enforce their monopoly any way they can.[/QUOTE] God damn it I spat coke all over my monitor again.

[QUOTE=Catdaemon;32459772]God damn it I spat coke all over my monitor again.[/QUOTE] I know it's not linux, it's just a different operating system. Something giants like Microsoft and Apple don't want.

[QUOTE=Bluesummers;32452769]I am quoting this because people still cant seem to read.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=asteroidrules;32459722]It makes sense really. Now that projects like reactOS are really starting to go somewhere Microsoft has to try and enforce their monopoly any way they can.[/QUOTE] Yup you were pretty much right, all the geniuses that think microsoft are out to stab you and steal your stuff start posting their genius thoughts 5 seconds after the proof has been revealed that this article is nothing but fearmongering silliness :v:

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;32459722]It makes sense really. Now that projects like reactOS are really starting to go somewhere Microsoft has to try and enforce their monopoly any way they can.[/QUOTE] ReactOS has been in development since 1998, they aren't going anywhere. [editline]24th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=A spaicrab :D;32459484]Microsoft is always this selfish, they just think that just because they are the richest company in the world means that they can litteraly take over anything.[/QUOTE] Microsoft is as selfish as you are dumb. They give money to fund projects like helping get people internet in 3rd world countries. They've taken down some of the largest botnets and offered a quarter million bounty for information leading to the creators. All they did now is try to make our computers safer. That's it. This isn't specific to Microsoft or Windows. It's a part of UEFI. So next time you want to bash Microsoft, at least bash them for stuff they're doing wrong instead of prancing about bashing them over something which you haven't even the slightest clue as to what's going on making yourself look like a moron.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;32457553]Virtual box linux, problem solved[/QUOTE] Because I want to boot up windows and then boot Linux.

[QUOTE=A spaicrab :D;32459484]Microsoft is always this selfish, they just think that just because they are the richest company in the world means that they can litteraly take over anything.[/QUOTE] Did you bother to read any post in this thread?

[QUOTE=Panda X;32459897]ReactOS has been in development since 1998, they aren't going anywhere. [editline]24th September 2011[/editline] [b]..Microsoft is as selfish as you are dumb..[/b][/QUOTE] Uh.. What?

[QUOTE=jordguitar;32458783]What the hell are you going on about OpenGL. Microsoft was not responsible for that. And what DRM are you talking about unless your thinking about the activation stuff that has been in all windows versions, your just spewing shit out of your mouth.[/QUOTE] I think he means the issues with digital media and how some wouldn't play due to inbuilt DRM features which had to be inbuilt in order to even get a license to be able to play the media.

[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;32477102]Uh.. What?[/QUOTE] lol :v:

I'm calling this total paranoia on the Red Hat tech. It's more than likely that if he didn't speak out we probably would of never heard about this and when we did we probably would of not cared.