Obama in Dead Heat With 4 GOP Contenders - Polidicks

If there is more than one republican candidate then obama will win. it'd be the same thing that happened with Theodore Roosevelt.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31929759]Will someone please explain why state's rights is a good idea for social policy? It didn't work in the Civil War, didn't work for gay marriage, certainly didn't work for abortion, so why does anyone think it's smart?[/QUOTE] Because each state its own entity and entitled to make its own laws. It's clearly the intent of the 10th amendment. Certainly abridging the 10th amendment in some instances can be seen as a positive, but I'd suggest that as a whole it is negative. If we assume that the states aren't making the decision then the Federal Government must be making the decision, and it's easy to see how many times they mess up on social policy regardless of a clear Bill of Rights. Worse so, when done on the Federal level, the law affects the entire country as opposed to just one state. Being in favor of states rights clearly isn't being in favor or what the state chooses to do, but it's it's acknowledging their authority. I have as much say about Wisconsin's social policy as I do Denmark's. It's easy to be in favor of violating the 10th amendment when you agree with the measure being pushed, but the biggest issue is that it allows measures that you may not agree with that also violate the 10th amendment to be pushed on a national scale.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;31930116]If there is more than one republican candidate then obama will win. it'd be the same thing that happened with Theodore Roosevelt.[/QUOTE] I doubt it. None of them would run for independent, and if one did he/she wouldn't get very far. Though I saw it as a possibility of a split democratic ticket in 08 with Hillary Clinton and Obama.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;31929762]We need to raise Ronald Reagan from the dead[/QUOTE] Reagan = Epic president

Reagan = Half the reason we're in this economic shit pile in the first place.

[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;31930309]Reagan = Half the reason we're in this economic shit pile in the first place.[/QUOTE] Any evidence of that?

Oh dear, there are no good candidates, not even one who promises the moon and we know nothing about so, Zombie FDR 2012

[QUOTE='[sluggo];31930399']Any evidence of that?[/QUOTE] Some of his spending, in the name of crushing the Soviet Union, was kinda reckless. But we enjoyed higher GDP and lower unemployment rates back then.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31929759]Will someone please explain why state's rights is a good idea for social policy? It didn't work in the Civil War, didn't work for gay marriage, certainly didn't work for abortion, so why does anyone think it's smart?[/QUOTE] The concept of independent states is only superficially different from the concept of independent nations. We already had this conversation a long time ago, I don't know if you're being dishonest in your posting or if you just instantly forget every debate you've ever had, either way, please stop. You just keep bringing up the "civil war" and "abortion" and "gay marriage" every single time this comes up when we've already discussed them and you already know the arguments, so, I'll say again. 1) Gay marriage is a result of states exerting their own influence over their own people in defiance of the DOMA act, a piece of federal legislation. 2) The civil war is not synonymous with state's rights, many states nullified the fugitive slave act in defiance of federal law and the succeeding states declared that one of their reasons for leaving the union. In this case and in many cases state's rights was used for good over bad. 3) Abortion doesn't need to be a federal issue, I understand you believe you're right and that's your opinion, but your definition of what is right and what is wrong is not universal and it is not objective. Not all people need to live by the same laws and one would argue much of the hatred toward federal government these days comes from issues which have been federalized. Pitting one half of the nation against the other half. We could all live under a separate set of localized laws and avoid the argument entirely, or we could crush dissent with an iron fist. You seem to want to enforce your moral authority on others, people you've never met and probably will never meet and do not agree with you. If you want to agree, convince them, don't send in the federal police to completely trample over everything they believe in. Isn't exactly winning hearts and minds.

Just hope really hard that michelle bachmann doesn't win.

[QUOTE=s0beit;31930482]We already had this conversation a long time ago, I don't know if you're being dishonest in your posting or if you just instantly forget every debate you've ever had, either way, please stop. You just keep bringing up the "civil war" and "abortion" and "gay marriage" every single time this comes up when we've already discussed them and you already know the arguments, so, I'll say again.[/QUOTE] I remember Zeke made a comment like that, but prior to this thread I do not recall doing so.

[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;31930309]Reagan = Half the reason we're in this economic shit pile in the first place.[/QUOTE] wrong, obviously its George Washington's fault because he must have set off a chain reaction that led us to where we are today. [sp]inb4 the sarcasm flies over someones head[/sp]

[QUOTE='[sluggo];31930399']Any evidence of that?[/QUOTE] Drug war ring a bell?

[QUOTE=beanhead;31930591]Drug war ring a bell?[/QUOTE] You mean the one Nixon came up with?

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;31929376]why aren't there any liberal candidates?[/QUOTE] That's how it is every election, you don't run against your own party's president. you know what I mean there, too lazy to reword. [editline]24th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;31929762]We need to raise Ronald Reagan from the dead[/QUOTE] He's have Alzheimer's :downs:

[QUOTE='[sluggo];31930629']You mean the one Nixon came up with?[/QUOTE] Reagan strongly believed in anti-drug, so its safe to assume he spent a lot of money enforcing it

[QUOTE=beanhead;31930759]Reagan strongly believed in anti-drug, so its safe to assume he spent a lot of money enforcing it[/QUOTE] True, he did. How is that the main cause of our current economic situation though?

[QUOTE='[sluggo];31930801']True, he did. How is that the main cause of our current economic situation though?[/QUOTE] they're spending money on something that wont make a difference? It will just create more of a problem than it solves

You could say that Reagan caused the current economic crisis, but it's been 20+ years since his presidency. There has been many congresses and presidents that could have changed course, but they merely added to the pain. Attributing this thing to any single person is idiotic.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31929984]January 20th 2009 to January 20th 2011 he had full control of both houses of Congress. He could have passed any legislation he wanted to, and the Republicans wouldn't have been able to stop it. He is spineless. [/QUOTE] Filibuster, and he tried to include them, when he didn't, filibuster.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31930457]Some of his spending, in the name of crushing the Soviet Union, was kinda reckless. But we enjoyed higher GDP and lower unemployment rates back then.[/QUOTE] Nah it goes back further than Reagan

[QUOTE=s0beit;31930482]The concept of independent states is only superficially different from the concept of independent nations. We already had this conversation a long time ago, I don't know if you're being dishonest in your posting or if you just instantly forget every debate you've ever had, either way, please stop. You just keep bringing up the "civil war" and "abortion" and "gay marriage" every single time this comes up when we've already discussed them and you already know the arguments, so, I'll say again. 1) Gay marriage is a result of states exerting their own influence over their own people in defiance of the DOMA act, a piece of federal legislation. 2) The civil war is not synonymous with state's rights, many states nullified the fugitive slave act in defiance of federal law and the succeeding states declared that one of their reasons for leaving the union. In this case and in many cases state's rights was used for good over bad. 3) Abortion doesn't need to be a federal issue, I understand you believe you're right and that's your opinion, but your definition of what is right and what is wrong is not universal and it is not objective. Not all people need to live by the same laws and one would argue much of the hatred toward federal government these days comes from issues which have been federalized. Pitting one half of the nation against the other half. We could all live under a separate set of localized laws and avoid the argument entirely, or we could crush dissent with an iron fist. You seem to want to enforce your moral authority on others, people you've never met and probably will never meet and do not agree with you. If you want to agree, convince them, don't send in the federal police to completely trample over everything they believe in. Isn't exactly winning hearts and minds.[/QUOTE] Actually no, its just been states of historically been very shitty at things like equal rights... To the point of a Civil War, to the Point where the Civil Rights Movement needed to bring tons of people from out of those states just to get a law passed and then it wasn't even given by the state, it had to be federally enforced. State laws also make law enforcement of any kind extremely inefficient, restructuring anything like highways or trains becomes a massive fucking nuisance. Its a very very inefficient system that needs to be removed.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];31930801']True, he did. How is that the main cause of our current economic situation though?[/QUOTE] [img_thumb]http://reinhardkargl.com/iBlog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/dwight-d-eisenhower-circa1956.jpg[/img_thumb] By and large I think the gigantic military industrial complex is at the root of all our economic and debt problems

[QUOTE=Lambeth;31931009][img_thumb]http://reinhardkargl.com/iBlog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/dwight-d-eisenhower-circa1956.jpg[/img_thumb] By and large I think the gigantic military industrial complex is at the root of all our economic and debt problems[/QUOTE] Even though this guy felt that politicians could never really be good diplomats and that was how People to People started which I've been with since sixth grade and proud of it. He also created our highways so he knew we needed infrastructure as well. Also, Korean War.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31929984]January 20th 2009 to January 20th 2011 he had full control of both houses of Congress. He could have passed any legislation he wanted to, and the Republicans wouldn't have been able to stop it. He is spineless.[/QUOTE] He's either arrogant or spineless, pick one and be consistent in your criticism.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;31931046]He's either arrogant or spineless, pick one and be consistent in your criticism.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.prosebeforehos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/obama-nazi-communist-muslim.jpg[/img] This seems relevant to your line. :v: He can't be arrogant and spineless.

I can't stand it that everyone jumps on this "THE MILITARY IS CAUSING THE ENTIRE DEBT AND ECONOMIC CRYSIS" bandwagon. [highlight] EVEN IF WE CUT IT SO MUCH WE DIDN'T HAVE A MILITARY, THEN SOLD ALL OF OUR WEAPONS, THE DEBT WOULD STILL GROW IN SIZE!!! [/highlight]

[QUOTE=Swilly;31931024]Even though this guy felt that politicians could never really be good diplomats and that was how People to People started which I've been with since sixth grade and proud of it. He also created our highways so he knew we needed infrastructure as well. Also, Korean War.[/QUOTE] He created the highways so the military could get from one end of the country to the other as fast as possible in case of Soviet invasion. Economic bonuses were just a wonderful side that came along with it.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];31931065']I can't stand it that everyone jumps on this "THE MILITARY IS CAUSING THE ENTIRE DEBT AND ECONOMIC CRYSIS" bandwagon. [highlight] EVEN IF WE CUT IT SO MUCH WE DIDN'T HAVE A MILITARY, THEN SOLD ALL OF OUR WEAPONS, THE DEBT WOULD STILL GROW IN SIZE!!! [/highlight][/QUOTE] [citation needed]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;31931117]He created the highways so the military could get from one end of the country to the other as fast as possible in case of Soviet invasion. Economic bonuses were just a wonderful side that came along with it.[/QUOTE] Just like most military endeavors.