570 British children start smoking every day - figures show rise of 50,000 in one year - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Don Ochs;40006481]It won't stop already smokers from smoking but it can keep people away from starting the habit. [/QUOTE] It really hasn't, I know kids who have bought cigarettes in with gladwrap bags and theres a company chipping in called cigarette stickers where you rap it around a pack of new smokes and it has no lung cancer warning or anything. Also most smokers would use already used packages and put the new stuff in the old package, its going to lure away people who hate graphic images

[QUOTE=Don Ochs;40006481]As a kid you really don't consider health problems, basically what you know is you can get lung cancer and that only happens to like a few people - that's what you think. And I doubt picking up smoking in this article is considered smoking a package a day cause I have a hard time believing this many parents would either not notice or allow their kids to smoke this much, so keeping up a habit of maybe 1-6 cigarettes a day or only on weekends isn't hard to have money for.[/QUOTE] Maybe I've been properly indoctrinated or informed or however you like to call it, but for as long as I can remember, I always considered the health problems. (Well when I was very young it was the smell) Maybe I was the lamest kid around, but I thought it was the worst thing you could do to yourself.

I started smoking when I was 16, 21 now. Wish I could stop easily. Rarely smoke cigarettes at home these days but do at work and on the piss. smoke spliffs at home though [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] Hate the smell of cigarette smoke, if my girlfriend is having a cigarette at home I'll have to have a couple of tokes so that it's not noticeable to me. Weed smoke isn't as bad, it's nowhere near as pungent and it dissipates fairly quickly [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Plaster;40003004]If anything I'd smoke one of there [t]http://static.freepik.com/free-photo/cuban-cigar_21166937.jpg[/t] Even though I hate smoking I do like the aroma of those things. It acctualy is smoke-able and is not full with shit nobody needs and only makes you addicted.[/QUOTE] Lol actually smokable, what the fuck does that mean? [QUOTE=Bliblixe;40002752][url=http://uppix.net/f/5/0/b6e40959d1bbd0af35168b40efa47.html][img]http://uppix.net/f/5/0/b6e40959d1bbd0af35168b40efa47tt.jpg[/img][/url] Got those in France too, we end up collecting them.[/QUOTE] Never liked that one. His moustache is disgusting

[QUOTE=Rat of Rug;40002365]But what about respect to your body?[/QUOTE] Yeah, but the problem is it's exactly none of your business whether or not I respect my body.

[QUOTE=kebab52;40009497]Yeah, but the problem is it's exactly none of your business whether or not I respect my body.[/QUOTE] I'm going to be paying your healthcare when you suffer any of the variety of conditions that result from smoking tobacco.

[QUOTE=dass;40003491]It's still so dumb. You can save SOO MUCH MONEY by not smoking, and you stay healthier. It's beyond me how some people have money for cigs and stuff and don't have for other, necessary things.[/QUOTE] Yeah, maybe I could have more money but I've budgeted. I make sure I have enough to last me before I'll buy cigarettes. But again, it's not really anyone's business what I spend money on. [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=scout1;40009500]I'm going to be paying your healthcare when you suffer any of the variety of conditions that result from smoking tobacco.[/QUOTE] I work, I pay my income tax and national insurance. I also pay the duty on Tobacco.

[QUOTE=scout1;40009500]I'm going to be paying your healthcare when you suffer any of the variety of conditions that result from smoking tobacco.[/QUOTE] Just like he'll be paying for a few people's heart conditions because they're overweight and never exercise. Don't make it out like you never do any harm to your body

[QUOTE=kebab52;40009538] I work, I pay my income tax and national insurance. I also pay the duty on Tobacco.[/QUOTE] And the cost of tobacco related conditions still outweighs the duties levied on it by a fair amount. You've put yourself in harm, and we get to pick up the bill for your proportionally larger health costs. [QUOTE=Ishwoo;40009553]Just like he'll be paying for a few people's heart conditions because they're overweight and never exercise. Don't make it out like you never do any harm to your body[/QUOTE] No but I take [B]reasonable care[/B] of it.

[QUOTE=scout1;40009610]And the cost of tobacco related conditions still outweighs the duties levied on it by a fair amount. You've put yourself in harm, and we get to pick up the bill for your proportionally larger health costs.[/QUOTE] Source? I take reasonably good care of myself, I'm not the fittest person in the world but I'm hardly keeling over. Haven't been to the doctors/hospital in a few years so I think I'm costing the NHS less than you are mate.

You know who didn't smoke? [I]Hitler[/I]. These children are performing a vital service in curbing fascism, why do you hate freedom scout1?

[QUOTE=kebab52;40009614]Source? I take reasonably good care of myself, I'm not the fittest person in the world but I'm hardly keeling over. Haven't been to the doctors/hospital in a few years so I think I'm costing the NHS less than you are mate.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/[/url]

Health warnings don't work. Banning them will NOT work. The only thing to kill a trend is to advertise stop smoking measures, which I don't see much of. All I'm seeing is pictures of death and disease everywhere. Rather than "You'll die quicker" which makes people feel horrible and want to smoke even more, how about a campaign where people can "save themselves" and feel better with their lives without cigarettes. I haven't seen a SINGLE campaign that would relate to me, as if I were a smoker wanting to quit.

I trust smokers way more than non-smokers. I don't get that weird PC tide commercial, distracted not in the moment feeling around them. Smokers are very much aware of their impermanence and that yes, they are indeed flying on a rock spinning though space... I don't know, I guess people who have come to terms with their mortality and inevitable demise, and choose to do something that gives them pleasure at the cost of minutes spent shitting yourself in a old age home, are way more chill to hangout with. BREH! Also James Bond [IMG]http://www.murraymitchell.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/daniel_craig_smoking_portrait_black_and_white.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=dass;40003491]It's still so dumb. You can save SOO MUCH MONEY by not smoking, and you stay healthier. It's beyond me how some people have money for cigs and stuff and don't have for other, necessary things.[/QUOTE] Maybe people don't want to be healthy? They want to be happy. Tobacco is a drug, and like most, it has a physical effect on the body which some people consider desirable. If it wasn't desirable to them, they wouldn't smoke. Cigarettes contain nicotine which gives a rush of light-headedness and mild euphoria. Green tea contains caffeine which does similar, but on a less noticeable level. Alcohol brings about heavy-headed grogginess and mild euphoria. Heroin consists of morphine diacetate, which triggers a highly potent euphoria, far beyond lesser drugs. Basically, whatever it is, it's effectively addictive because it's a break from the normal functioning. - blame it on the chemicals if you want, but really it's [b]the chemicals effect on the body which becomes addictive[/b]. This is a problem of society, because for the last 50 years or so, marketing budgets have increased and we're starting to believe that our self-centered satisfaction is paramount and happiness is all we should feel, all the time, and that it is something that purchasing 'stuff' can help us attain - whether it be cars or houses - or coca-cola. Drugs like heroin effectively ruin people because there simply is nothing that can bring about this happiness faster and with such simplicity. All of life's problems gone in a few seconds and replaced with a full-body orgasm lasting several hours. When life and it's woes come back a few hours later, inevitably an urge for euphoria kicks in and BAM - a lifelong addiction is formed.

i like me some euphoria. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzgBcpwhQNA[/media]

[QUOTE=AK'z;40009835]Health warnings don't work. Banning them will NOT work. The only thing to kill a trend is to advertise stop smoking measures, which I don't see much of. All I'm seeing is pictures of death and disease everywhere. Rather than "You'll die quicker" which makes people feel horrible and want to smoke even more, how about a campaign where people can "save themselves" and feel better with their lives without cigarettes. I haven't seen a SINGLE campaign that would relate to me, as if I were a smoker wanting to quit.[/QUOTE] Wasn't advertised much but: [url]http://smokefree.nhs.uk/stoptober/[/url]

[QUOTE=scout1;40009500]I'm going to be paying your healthcare when you suffer any of the variety of conditions that result from smoking tobacco.[/QUOTE] And so do the smokers, taxes aren't just exclusive to non-smokers y'know.

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;40010366]And so do the smokers, taxes aren't just exclusive to non-smokers y'know.[/QUOTE] Except they're paying a smaller share comparative to their cost. [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] Therefore their decision to smoke brings burden upon me.

[QUOTE=scout1;40010381]Except they're paying a smaller share comparative to their cost. [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] Therefore their decision to smoke brings burden upon me.[/QUOTE] Assuming that every smoker is unemployed and currently being treated for some form of illness?

[QUOTE=matt.ant;40010154]Wasn't advertised much but: [url]http://smokefree.nhs.uk/stoptober/[/url][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG3ulOEr4SE[/url] that's the worst most useless advert of all time. [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] "stoptober", so people are supposed to give up smoking for just in the month of October? that's... a great campaign..

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;40010421]Assuming that every smoker is unemployed and currently being treated for some form of illness?[/QUOTE] You're reaching (just a tiny tiny bit) Statistically as soon as you start smoking risks for certain conditions go up. We've established how tobacco duties do not cover the direct costs of tobacoo (let alone the costs in productivity/etc). Now person for person they're costing more than a mirror image of themselves that didn't smoke but they're paying the same. And everybody gets to pay a little more to cover that.

i started because it was a way to mitigate stress, curbing my anxiety with a compulsion not to mention years of watching old movies has made me think smoking is sexy which im not proud of lol

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure over 75% of the price of a pack of smokes goes to the government and funds health care. So cigarette companies still make 2-3 bucks off a pack when the government takes around 7. So do the math on how much money smokers directly give the government for health care. You aren't paying to help smokers when they get sick. They already cover their own cost, and everyone else's. Plus they still pay the same taxes as you on top of that.

[QUOTE=108;40010617]Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure over 75% of the price of a pack of smokes goes to the government and funds health care. So cigarette companies still make 2-3 bucks off a pack when the government takes around 7. So do the math on how much money smokers directly give the government for health care. You aren't paying to help smokers when they get sick. They already cover their own cost, and everyone else's. Plus they still pay the same taxes as you on top of that.[/QUOTE] did you even read this thread

[QUOTE=scout1;40010729]did you even read this thread[/QUOTE] I did, but like all threads on the internet that have something to do with cigarettes, it turned into a lets flame smokers thread. I never had a cigarette till I was old enough to buy them legally. I'm also not the most intelligent person in the world. Seems like the real problem in the UK is parental discipline and not ad campaigns/marketing letting kids know the side effects.

[QUOTE=Doozle;40009142] Lol actually smokable, what the fuck does that mean? [/QUOTE] I mean I'd rather smoke there than the normal ones with filters and shit that makes you addicted to them. [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] Also think about it, smoking normal cigarettes is like paying someone to harm you.

[QUOTE=Plaster;40013283]I mean I'd rather smoke there than the normal ones with filters and shit that makes you addicted to them. [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] Also think about it, smoking normal cigarettes is like paying someone to harm you.[/QUOTE] cigars still have all the bad shit but don't have a filter so infact they're much much worse for you.

[QUOTE=Ishwoo;40013361]cigars still have all the bad shit but don't have a filter so infact they're much much worse for you.[/QUOTE] Isn't it the filter that has all the stuff that really shouldn't be in a cigarette? If not then I'd smoke marijuana.

[QUOTE=Plaster;40013411]Isn't it the filter that has all the stuff that really shouldn't be in a cigarette? If not then I'd smoke marijuana.[/QUOTE] There is a lot of chemicals in both the filter and the actual cigarette if you're buying them packaged that isn't good for you and helps fuel the addiction, but nicotine is still addictive as hell without it. [editline]23rd March 2013[/editline] Cigars still contain some of those chemicals and have in fact a ton more nicotine than a normal cigarette. Difference is you probably wouldn't smoke cigars as often as you would smoke a cigarette, and while I've never had a cigar myself I understand that you usually don't take it all the way down your throat :v:

Ecigs need to be more mainstream and available. People buy the shitty gas station ones and say that they're horrible. Both parties win with ecigs.