[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48625816]They're ruminants and the likely thousands of tests done by now haven't indicated any infection and a big chunk of what easily kills ruminants aren't toxic to humans at all. (any sheep farmer knows copper is a big no-no) Given that this has happened several times before and [i]only[/i] with antelope and other ruminants leads me to believe that eating the meat is likely safe.[/quote]
The sources say that their internal organs were ruptured and bled, and that was the main cause of death.
Eating these would be a stupid and terrible idea.
[quote]Plus given that this particular round of mass die-offs (oh there have been many of them around the world and yep, they've all been ruminants) is happening in Kazakhstan I'm pretty sure some locals have taken advantage of the situation. Anyone dying from eating supposedly tainted meat from this would instantly make the news.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the locals are even eating them in the first place. Bodies which die in warm and wet conditions (such as the weather in Kazakhstan during this die-off) decay rapidly. Most of these corpses are inedible, and by now are in a state of severe decay.
maybe someone testing theirs microwave weapons on large scale ;)
on less conspiracy side it would be interesting to figure if it was toxic plant or some other chemical poisoning or disease
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48622865]I read that the animals were bloated, had diarrhea and were foaming around their mouths. Someone tied it to the plants they were eating.[/QUOTE]
Maybe climate change is screwing with their normal diet and they're having to fall back to marginal foodstuffs?
ALIENS
[QUOTE=QuinnithXD;48626529]ALIENS[/QUOTE]
Doesn't match Ethereal Modus oprandi.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48625853]The sources say that their internal organs were ruptured and bled, and that was the main cause of death.[/QUOTE]Wow, sounds exactly like what happens when sheep eat anything with copper in it. Black kidneys, bronze-colored liver, (they also rupture at times) yellow eyes, foaming at the mouth, frequently pressing and butting their head against a hard surface, these are all symptoms prior to death and [i]you can still eat the meat,[/i] don't eat the offal though.
So you've effectively described toxin poisoning, something that doesn't transmit to humans unless they've been slurping down antifreeze.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48625853]I don't think the locals are even eating them in the first place. Bodies which die in warm and wet conditions (such as the weather in Kazakhstan during this die-off) decay rapidly. Most of these corpses are inedible, and by now are in a state of severe decay.[/QUOTE]So they just instantly decay when they die? Just poof they're bloated and rotten? No, the conditions are similar to wetlands in the US, so you've got at most a day and a half before it becomes a lost cause.
I've did the math though, you really couldn't contribute toward reducing hunger in any meaningful way given that the transport, processing, and storage of the meat is on the order of 190% more costly than shipping bulk vegetables, fruit, or grain. It's not the greatest of ideas, but I'm sure the carcasses can be processed into other goods such as fertilizer.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48627150]Wow, sounds exactly like what happens when sheep eat anything with copper in it. Black kidneys, bronze-colored liver, (they also rupture at times) yellow eyes, foaming at the mouth, frequently pressing and butting their head against a hard surface, these are all symptoms prior to death and [i]you can still eat the meat,[/i] don't eat the offal though.
So you've effectively described toxin poisoning, something that doesn't transmit to humans unless they've been slurping down antifreeze.[/quote]
The source said the internal bleeding had been caused by Pasteurella and Clostridia bacteria.
[quote]So they just instantly decay when they die? Just poof they're bloated and rotten? No, the conditions are similar to wetlands in the US, so you've got at most a day and a half before it becomes a lost cause.
I've did the math though, you really couldn't contribute toward reducing hunger in any meaningful way given that the transport, processing, and storage of the meat is on the order of 190% more costly than shipping bulk vegetables, fruit, or grain. It's not the greatest of ideas, but I'm sure the carcasses can be processed into other goods such as fertilizer.[/QUOTE]
Considering you'd only have about 30 hours to collect the bloodied carcasses of animals that died en-mass from infection with the intention of processing them into meat intended for human consumption isn't just "not the greatest of ideas", it's a downright terrible one.
I mean who would look at 60,000 dead antelope on a plain and think "time to butcher them up and eat them" ?
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48627150]Wow, sounds exactly like what happens when sheep eat anything with copper in it. Black kidneys, bronze-colored liver, (they also rupture at times) yellow eyes, foaming at the mouth, frequently pressing and butting their head against a hard surface, these are all symptoms prior to death and [I]you can still eat the meat,[/I] don't eat the offal though.
So you've effectively described toxin poisoning, something that doesn't transmit to humans unless they've been slurping down antifreeze.
So they just instantly decay when they die? Just poof they're bloated and rotten? No, the conditions are similar to wetlands in the US, so you've got at most a day and a half before it becomes a lost cause.
I've did the math though, you really couldn't contribute toward reducing hunger in any meaningful way given that the transport, processing, and storage of the meat is on the order of 190% more costly than shipping bulk vegetables, fruit, or grain. It's not the greatest of ideas, but I'm sure the carcasses can be processed into other goods such as fertilizer.[/QUOTE]
We still don't know what killed them, eating them is a fucking stupid idea no matter how you put it, use common sense ffs
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48627253]The source said the internal bleeding had been caused by Pasteurella and Clostridia bacteria.[/QUOTE]Then they almost definitely died of ruminal tympany, commonly known as bloat, and they're safe to eat.
They could have been saved with a small puncture wound to the rumen, managed to save about 150~ head of cattle doing that because they got bloated from tainted feed.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48627253]I mean who would look at 60,000 dead antelope on a plain and think "time to butcher them up and eat them" ?[/QUOTE]Apparently I would?
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48627285]We still don't know what killed them, eating them is a fucking stupid idea no matter how you put it[/QUOTE]I disagree.
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Either way it's a completely moot point now.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48627330]Apparently I would?[/QUOTE]
I hope you don't work in food processing.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48627674]I hope you don't work in food processing.[/QUOTE]Opportunistic use of game meat =/= Confirming to USDA standards
Also to dash your stupid hopes like a hundred defective babies on the rocks in ancient Greece: I worked in a chicken processing plant, slaughtered countless farm animals (and butchered them!) on the farm, and I've been eating game and fish all my life. Haven't died once!
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48627330]Then they almost definitely died of ruminal tympany, commonly known as bloat, and they're safe to eat.
They could have been saved with a small puncture wound to the rumen, managed to save about 150~ head of cattle doing that because they got bloated from tainted feed.[/QUOTE]
Woah, I didn't know you could carry out necropsies over the internet! Please, tell me more about the amazing technology you must have at your fingertips that allows you to closely analyse the carcasses of animals lying on a field thousands of miles away from you and immediately determine their exact cause of death.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48627726]Opportunistic use of game meat =/= Confirming to USDA standards
Also to dash your stupid hopes like a hundred defective babies on the rocks in ancient Greece: I worked in a chicken processing plant, slaughtered countless farm animals (and butchered them!) on the farm, and I've been eating game and fish all my life. Haven't died once![/QUOTE]
The difference is that you know when the animals you processed have died and of what causes.
If you found something lying dead on the ground and bloated up, eating it should be the last thing on your mind.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48627734]Woah, I didn't know you could carry out necropsies over the internet! Please, tell me more about the amazing technology you must have at your fingertips that allows you to closely analyse the carcasses of animals lying on a field thousands of miles away from you and immediately determine their exact cause of death.[/QUOTE]lol this guy
Thankfully some scientists have already identified the likely culprits: Clostridia and Pasteurella. They cause bloat in ruminants which kills them, it's fast and it's extremely lethal. I'm 99% sure you can google it right now and find that out.
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48627763]The difference is that you know when the animals you processed have died and of what causes.[/QUOTE]Except these aren't just [i]found[/i] there's scientists testing the corpses and finding nothing except bacteria that causes bloat. I don't know what else to say here, aside from the exposure of the carcasses they're not carrying some super deadly virulent strain of virus that causes your head to explode.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48627772]lol this guy
Thankfully some scientists have already identified the likely culprits: Clostridia and Pasteurella. They cause bloat in ruminants which kills them, it's fast and it's extremely lethal. I'm 99% sure you can google it right now and find that out.[/QUOTE]
Except the scientists working on it said that it wasn't the exogenous cause (which they have yet to identify).
[quote]Except these aren't just [i]found[/i] there's scientists testing the corpses and finding nothing except bacteria that causes bloat. I don't know what else to say here, aside from the exposure of the carcasses they're not carrying some super deadly virulent strain of virus that causes your head to explode.[/QUOTE]
Bloat isn't what's killing them (something you would know if you read the source).
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48627801]Except the scientists working on it said that it wasn't the exogenous cause (which they have yet to identify).
Bloat isn't what's killing them (something you would know if you read the source).[/QUOTE]I've read more than that source, they're dying of bloat.
They likely won't ever specifically identify the main cause, even on farms in Western nations the presence of certain things is just assumed to be the cause of death. You can't sell the meat for that reason, but if they've all munched on the same feed and the feed has Pasteurella and the carcasses have Pasteurella... I mean it's likely to assume the cause is that, and as long as you don't eat the offal you'll be fine.
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Like I don't know how many things actually migrate to the muscles outside of parasites, and parasites are killed by cooking the food anyway. Even though things like Trichinella have been eliminated in US pork products there's still like at least one warning on every product containing pork in the US to cook thoroughly, often it has a temperature guide too.
I'm not complaining about industrial farming standards here, they're there for a damn good reason, but looking at it practically if people can eat [i]roadkill[/i] and be fine I think eating these won't kill anyone.
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If you want a laugh here's PETA's take on the subject:
[url]http://www.peta.org/about-peta/faq/is-it-ok-to-eat-roadkill/[/url]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48627772]lol this guy
Thankfully some scientists have already identified the likely culprits: Clostridia and Pasteurella. They cause bloat in ruminants which kills them, it's fast and it's extremely lethal. I'm 99% sure you can google it right now and find that out.
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Except these aren't just [i]found[/i] there's scientists testing the corpses and finding nothing except bacteria that causes bloat. I don't know what else to say here, aside from the exposure of the carcasses they're not carrying some super deadly virulent strain of virus that causes your head to explode.[/QUOTE]
Okay, I did some Googling, and you're wrong.
Pasteurellosis is typically a respiratory infection with possible complications due to hemorrhagic septicemia, I'm not sure how that could possibly cause bloat. Clostridia is a class of bacteria and refers to many different species, all of which cause different symptoms in humans, so it's not a very specific term at all. You may have heard of members of this class causing such wonderful diseases as tetanus and botulism.
Only one biologist pointed at ruminal tympany as the possible cause, and in the [url="http://informburo.kz/novosti/svoyu-versiyu-gibeli-saygakov-vydvinul-doktor-bionauk-rossii-i-kazahstana-5079.html"]only source[/url] that I could find, he specifically stated that he believed that pasteurellosis was NOT the cause of the mass die-off.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48627888]Okay, I did some Googling, and you're wrong.[/QUOTE]You're right, I actually just googled it to check and I was thinking of an entirely different pair of bacteria. My bad.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48627908]You're right, I actually just googled it to check and I was thinking of an entirely different pair of bacteria. My bad.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you should stop being a pseudo-intellectual armchair professional
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48627946]Perhaps you should stop being a pseudo-intellectual armchair professional[/QUOTE]
Hey man, he admitted his mistake, that's more than what most people on Facepunch would do. Cut him some slack.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;48621804]How long until whatever killed them jumps species?
We're the intended vector.
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This isn't the first species that experienced mass death. Drum Fish, Blackbird, red wings, in 2011-2013. Few other instances between then and now.
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[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48627285]We still don't know what killed them, eating them is a fucking stupid idea no matter how you put it, use common sense ffs[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48627330]
I disagree.
Either way it's a completely moot point now.[/QUOTE]
Uhhh what, you can't be serious? You don't know how they died, you disagree that it's unsafe to consume then? That's beyond stupid, Darwin's gonna bite you in the ass one day.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48627946]Perhaps you should stop being a pseudo-intellectual armchair professional[/QUOTE]??? what I never claimed to be a professional anything.
[QUOTE=Delta616;48628116]Uhhh what, you can't be serious? You don't know how they died, you disagree that it's unsafe to consume then? That's beyond stupid, Darwin's gonna bite you in the ass one day.[/QUOTE]I was under the mistaken impression that they died from something not bad at all.
I'm big enough to admit that I was 100% wrong.
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