Tories to legalise fox hunting if they win 2015 general election (UK) - Polidicks

[QUOTE=The mouse;46804717]So I'm defending individual freedom and free expression and I'm the one whose fascist?[/QUOTE] that's the weirdest way of saying "I'm okay with people going out and having dogs tear foxes to shreds for fun" I've ever seen Look, mouse, the thing is there are far better, more humane methods of doing the same thing these pieces of shit want doing. The way we progress is by getting rid of shit ways of doing things and replacing them with better ways of doing things. Hence why, over in the US, execution via firing squad or the electric chair is no longer a thing: there are better, more humane ways of doing that shit (I'm against the death penalty too but just it's a fucking example okay). Stop trying to argue for a human's right to be a complete piece of shit to animals, jesus christ. You're wrong.

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;46804775]No one cares about animal rights, alright I mistakenly thought people cared. Fucking BYE MATE[/QUOTE] Look at what people care about in this country. You'll find that Animal rights is quite far behind things like Inflation, unemployment, immigration, the EU. You'd be surprised to find how many people in this country find it nothing wrong with eating battery chickens, eating Halal or foie gras, this indicates that most people do not infact care about animal rights.

Being pro-fox hunting just because you think people should be allowed to control fox populations is like saying you're pro-choice and that back-alley abortions done with rusty coathangers should be legal. The act itself might be a good thing, but that doesn't mean every method of achieving it is good, too.

[QUOTE=The mouse;46804806]You'd be surprised to find how many people in this country find it nothing wrong with eating battery chickens, eating Halal or foie gras, this indicates that most people do not infact care about animal rights.[/QUOTE] oh okay I get it, so the numerous people who are complaining about this being an issue isn't actually complaining about it at all, I understand now.

[QUOTE=The mouse;46804806]Look at what people care about in this country. You'll find that Animal rights is quite far behind things like Inflation, unemployment, immigration, the EU. You'd be surprised to find how many people in this country find it nothing wrong with eating battery chickens, eating Halal or foie gras, this indicates that most people do not infact care about animal rights.[/QUOTE] No, the difference is a lot of people feel that they can't stop those things. Some people can't afford non-battery chicken, and Halal (as well as Kosher) in the UK is, by law, forced to be just as humane as normal slaughter. Foie gras is one thing, but then it should probably be noticed that foie gras is mainly eaten by the same people who enjoy fox hunting. If we can stop fox hunting, then we should.

[QUOTE=The mouse;46804717]So I'm defending individual freedom and free expression[/QUOTE] can you expand on how exactly animal cruelty = individual freedom and free expression

Who doesn't want to put their skintight trousers on and go out with your chums from the Yacht club to watch some foxes get torn to shreds while you rub your stonking huge boner on your horse. We need to do this because fox populations.

If the Tories could I'm sure they'd legalise hunting the lower class.

Figures that someone named "The Mouse" wants foxes to die as cruelly as they can. [QUOTE=The mouse;46804717]Not the same thing, even slightly. Legalising drugs such as heroin would have a catastrophic effect on society and would give the impression that such things were ok. Allow Fox hunting with dogs, the only consequence on society being that people can hunt with dogs. So I'm defending individual freedom and free expression and I'm the one whose fascist? Not only this but most people here dogmatically hate anything remotely on the right, all I'm doing is playing devil's advocate and actually acknowledging that the Conservatives have actually done good things.[/QUOTE] Universal declaration of human rights: Freedom of religion Right to a nationality Freedom from torture Right to work Right to marry Fair trials Freedom to torture small animals to death And "free expression"? "Hello art connoisseurs, I present my latest piece, 'Fox being ripped in half', I hope you enjoy it." *unspeakable noises* "ooh, aah, very nice" *golf claps*

do people in the UK suck at shooting/real hunting? that picture just screams pompous douchbaggery

[QUOTE=The mouse;46804648]To each his own, Just because you don't like fox hunting doesn't mean that you shouldn't allow others like it, especially when foxes can be pests in some areas. The foxes were still going to be hunted anyway, what difference does it make whether dogs are involved or not?[/QUOTE] you act like it's only a matter of opinion and that animal rights aren't a thing

I support Fox hunting 100%. It's about time those liars got what's coming to them, then we hunt he elephants.

[QUOTE=The mouse;46804581]Good, it was banned by a bunch of Labour MPs who all came from city constituencies who didn't actually represent anyone which the ban affected. If people want to hunt foxes with dogs then why not?[/QUOTE] Because if you're not going to eat the damn meat it's unethical as hell. In America we love to hunt, but we also love to eat the meat of what we hunt. We even go so far as to practice ancient Native American tradition and eat the heart of the deer after killing it. Killing things just for the hunt is fucking lame and horrible sportsmanship.

[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;46804616]because it's fucking cruel. It's not even hunting, it's literally just getting a pack of dogs to tear a fox to pieces while the "hunters" ride along on horses chuckling to themselves and fucking watching the animal get mauled to death[/QUOTE] how come so many old british traditions involve rich dudes on horses?

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;46804853]Who doesn't want to put their skintight trousers on and go out with your chums from the Yacht club to watch some foxes get torn to shreds while you rub your stonking huge boner on your horse. We need to do this because fox populations.[/QUOTE] Nature will find it equilibrium, we are having the same problem with wolves in michigan. Predator populations spike because there's food, they will eat their food source down and an equilibrium will come of it, predators are a vital part of the ecosystem.

[QUOTE=The mouse;46804806]Look at what people care about in this country. You'll find that Animal rights is quite far behind things like Inflation, unemployment, immigration, the EU. You'd be surprised to find how many people in this country find it nothing wrong with eating battery chickens, eating Halal or foie gras, this indicates that most people do not infact care about animal rights.[/QUOTE] OK, by your logic I could take someones pet dog and flay it to death in the middle of the street and nobody would give a shit because they don't have jobs and there are some immigrants somewhere. Do you actually believe this shit.

[QUOTE=The mouse;46804806]Look at what people care about in this country. You'll find that Animal rights is quite far behind things like Inflation, unemployment, immigration, the EU. You'd be surprised to find how many people in this country find it nothing wrong with eating battery chickens, eating Halal or foie gras, this indicates that most people do not infact care about animal rights.[/QUOTE] The general figure quoted for the uk population who wants fox hunting to remain banned is around 80% so yeah people carw about this.

[QUOTE=General J;46805051]do people in the UK suck at shooting/real hunting? that picture just screams pompous douchbaggery[/QUOTE] It's just posh-tosh land owners being posh-tosh landowners, to them it's just a day out on their horses with their dogs. It's stupid and cruel and if they really want to stop fox populations then bring back some fucking wolves.

[QUOTE=StrikerTruck;46805095]Because if you're not going to eat the damn meat it's unethical as hell. In America we love to hunt, but we also love to eat the meat of what we hunt. We even go so far as to practice ancient Native American tradition and eat the heart of the deer after killing it. Killing things just for the hunt is fucking lame and horrible sportsmanship.[/QUOTE] this is one of the two reasons hunting has such drastically different connotations between America and England. In America, hunting is a person going out, killing an animal themselves, and typically using the meat/fur. It can be done by rich or poor, and it has this self sustainability to it that Thoreau just fockin loved Whereas British 'hunting' is a bunch of drunk posh people shouting while a bunch of dogs tear apart a fox then they do nothing with the carcass. Can you imagine being a poor person and seeing a bunch of rich people come along, kill an animal, then leave it completely destroyed and unable to be used as meat/fur? embarrassing is what it is

Why is it less OK to shoot fox than say any other game?

[QUOTE=The mouse;46804648]To each his own, Just because you don't like fox hunting doesn't mean that you shouldn't allow others like it, especially when foxes can be pests in some areas. The foxes were still going to be hunted anyway, what difference does it make whether dogs are involved or not?[/QUOTE] if someone laughed at an animal getting mauled to death by a pack of dogs you would have them fuckin institutionalized but he's wearing tights and he's on horseback so "to each his own" right

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46805165]Why is it less OK to shoot fox than say any other game?[/QUOTE] It isn't okay because at least with pheasant or quail (which I'm assuming they have in Britain) you just don't eat fox meat.

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;46805183]You're not reading correctly. Fox hunting in the UK is letting dogs viciously maul foxes whilst the "hunters" ride horses following the dogs.[/QUOTE] Oh right, no guns.

[QUOTE=StrikerTruck;46805120]Nature will find it equilibrium, we are having the same problem with wolves in michigan. Predator populations spike because there's food, they will eat their food source down and an equilibrium will come of it, predators are a vital part of the ecosystem.[/QUOTE] Foxes eat shit and trash mostly. Then they have loud sex.

hey what are you psychos doing letting that poor animal get torn apart by a pack of dogs and laughi- o-oh you're wearing tights? you're drunk? you each make over £120,000 a year? alright then carry on chaps give em one for me

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46805193]Oh right, no guns.[/QUOTE] No, hunting is actually one of the "valid" reasons to own guns in this country. People who actually deal with foxes as a pest use guns..

[QUOTE=StrikerTruck;46805120]Nature will find it equilibrium, we are having the same problem with wolves in michigan. Predator populations spike because there's food, they will eat their food source down and an equilibrium will come of it, predators are a vital part of the ecosystem.[/QUOTE] Too high of a predator population will wipe their prey out, their prey's prey will overgrow while the predators die out, and you start getting species migration and new balances that fuck over even more species this is why there's regulations put in place to ensure one licencee doesn't hunt too much. People actually analyze population change and regulate how much of it can safely be culled without wrecking shit up. Hunt foxes to cull overpopulated vermin, not to enjoy a day out watching a pack of dogs

As horrible creatures as foxes are I can't justify ripping them to pieces

I can understand hunting foxes if they're being a pest to farmers and the dogs are only there to chase it out into the open where you can get a nice clean shot on it. But, they aren't. So I think it should stay banned.

Fox hunting in the UK still functions as it used to with dogs doing the chasing of the fox and hunters following on horses. Only where before the dogs would kill the fox, the dogs now have to be called off before they hurt the fox and instead its shot. Its basically the same thing only without excess cruelty which is great, and overturning the ban so some dogs can rip a fox apart is dumb as shit. I do love the moronic comparisons between US and UK hunting in this thread. Not all US hunters are loving, noble woodsmen that use all of an animal and take no pleasure in killing an animal. Likewise not all UK hunters are bloodthirsty upper class drunks that take pleasure from watching an animal get torn to shreds. At the end of the day fox hunting is sport hunting where there will be no use of the fox's body except as a form of entertainment. Much like a lot of trophy hunting in the US where predators are shot only for trophies and no other resource use. Most foxes in the UK are treated as harmful vermin and their population does need controlling. If that can be done in a humane way without excess distress to the prey while also serving as entertainment then that's great.