Tories to legalise fox hunting if they win 2015 general election (UK) - Polidicks

Your a piece of shit if you think foxes getting ripped to shreds by dogs is ok.

[QUOTE=Cone;46805206]hey what are you psychos doing letting that poor animal get torn apart by a pack of dogs and laughi- o-oh you're wearing tights? you're drunk? you each make over £120,000 a year? alright then carry on chaps give em one for me[/QUOTE] This. What's The difference between fox hunting, and throwing a small dog into an arena made of bloodstained plywood so your mate's fucked up pit-bull can maul it to death while you laugh and chug stella? strip away all the pomp, ceremony and ritual and you are left with "fox hunters have more money". Wow! that changes everything (no it doesn't)

This would be ok if the fox population were getting out of control but I thought I heard something about how the foxes were actually threatened?

[QUOTE=BFG9000;46805585]This would be ok if the fox population were getting out of control but I thought I heard something about how the foxes were actually threatened?[/QUOTE] No, it wouldn't. If you're going to kill shit for population control, it should be done in such a way where the animal won't suffer excessively for no reason. Use guns or a bow or something, not a pack of dogs. British rich guy hunting also wastes what's left of the animal, so there's that too.

Why would it be ok? Surely shooting them is better in every way?

[QUOTE=BFG9000;46805585]This would be ok if the fox population were getting out of control but I thought I heard something about how the foxes were actually threatened?[/QUOTE] How would this be okay? Larger population does not suddenly allow you to go medieval up their ass.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46805165]Why is it less OK to shoot fox than say any other game?[/QUOTE] Dude, when I read the title I thought the same thing. Then I looked up fox hunting.

Surely it follows I should be allowed to go out into the forest and batter animals to death with a cricket bat

Want to hunt foxes to control the population? Alright, personally I think the foxes can sort themselves out considering they didn't need our intervention before. Just do it fucking humanely. Sticking a pack of dogs on one living thing is cruel. Going out, getting on your horse and calling this "hunting" is as evil as you can get.

[QUOTE=Korova;46805675]personally I think the foxes can sort themselves out considering they didn't need our intervention before[/QUOTE]They intervene with our farms and stuff, that's why they get sorted out.

[QUOTE=StrikerTruck;46805095]Because if you're not going to eat the damn meat it's unethical as hell. In America we love to hunt, but we also love to eat the meat of what we hunt. We even go so far as to practice ancient Native American tradition and eat the heart of the deer after killing it. Killing things just for the hunt is fucking lame and horrible sportsmanship.[/QUOTE] If you are properly hunting deer, there is no heart left because that's what you're aiming for to get a clean kill. Also, we have to shoot coyotes over here, because they will eat the baby deer. Do I take pleasure in it? A little when I think about the deer that are now safe to grow up. But no pleasure that I've just killed an animal, even though it's a pest and a predator. I'm a very avid hunter, and even I think this is gross....

Fox hunting in the old practices is very barbaric, if a fox is killing your live stock then shoot them with a gun and kill them. Dont kill them by getting dogs to rip them apart

[QUOTE=StrikerTruck;46805095]We even go so far as to practice ancient Native American tradition and eat the heart of the deer after killing it.[/QUOTE] I thought that was normal to do? Heart tastes damn good.

[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;46804790]that's the weirdest way of saying "I'm okay with people going out and having dogs tear foxes to shreds for fun" I've ever seen Look, mouse, the thing is there are far better, more humane methods of doing the same thing these pieces of shit want doing. The way we progress is by getting rid of shit ways of doing things and replacing them with better ways of doing things. Hence why, over in the US, execution via firing squad or the electric chair is no longer a thing: there are better, more humane ways of doing that shit (I'm against the death penalty too but just it's a fucking example okay). Stop trying to argue for a human's right to be a complete piece of shit to animals, jesus christ. You're wrong.[/QUOTE] You sound angry. Calm down.

Now the Tories have to loose.

I don't see anything wrong in fox hunting if you mean in the context of using a firearm to humanely kill them for the purpose of population control, but legalising the use of pack hounds to cause them undue stress or otherwise kill them is just moronic. We don't sit back and think it's acceptable for imitation gangsters to set their dogs on each other so I really don't see why this should be either. Oh well, goes to show that the Conservatives definitely have their priorities straight.

interesting u don't see anything wrong with killing foxes humanely but that's not what the term fox hunting implies nor what this thread is about m8

Every farmer I know owns a least one shotgun, and using one for vermin control is probably the easiest way to get a shotgun licence. There's no reason to have these sort of hunts apart from to please those people who enjoy cruel blood sports.

Question, can you still shoot a fox to death in the UK? Because, like, the classic fox hunt sounds like they just totally waste the fox; pelt, meat, and all, but can you still shoot them so you can collect the pelts?

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46806366]Question, can you still shoot a fox to death in the UK? Because, like, the classic fox hunt sounds like they just totally waste the fox; pelt, meat, and all, but can you still shoot them so you can collect the pelts?[/QUOTE] Yes, the law only bans the hunting of mammals with dogs (though you can still use dogs to flush out mammals, or do a hunt using artificial scents and trails).

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;46805923]You sound angry. Calm down.[/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong with being angry about someone supporting pointless cruelty.

[QUOTE=The mouse;46804581]Good, it was banned by a bunch of Labour MPs who all came from city constituencies who didn't actually represent anyone which the ban affected. If people want to hunt foxes with dogs then why not?[/QUOTE] Cause it's fucking barbaric? [editline]28th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=GordonZombie;46806111]I don't see anything wrong in fox hunting if you mean in the context of using a firearm to humanely kill them for the purpose of population control, but legalising the use of pack hounds to cause them undue stress or otherwise kill them is just moronic. We don't sit back and think it's acceptable for imitation gangsters to set their dogs on each other so I really don't see why this should be either. Oh well, goes to show that the Conservatives definitely have their priorities straight.[/QUOTE] See if it was actually a case of hunting them and then shooting the fox quick and clean then go wild, they can be a problem in towns and shit but when it's literally chasing a fox to have it torn to shreds by a pack of hounds then I take issue with it.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46805629]No, it wouldn't. If you're going to kill shit for population control, it should be done in such a way where the animal won't suffer excessively for no reason. Use guns or a bow or something, not a pack of dogs. British rich guy hunting also wastes what's left of the animal, so there's that too.[/QUOTE] Wait what? They have dogs go tear it up? I was under the impression that the dogs were for seeking and the hunter themself just used a crossbow or a shotgun or something

[QUOTE=BFG9000;46812873]Wait what? They have dogs go tear it up? I was under the impression that the dogs were for seeking and the hunter themself just used a crossbow or a shotgun or something[/QUOTE] Nope, you have a load of dogs chase and kill the fox. You follow the dogs on a horse and you toot a little trumpet.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;46812873]Wait what? They have dogs go tear it up? I was under the impression that the dogs were for seeking and the hunter themself just used a crossbow or a shotgun or something[/QUOTE] Nope, the "hunting" part is that the players act like they are actually doing something, the misconception that its a total ban on hunting foxes is like what they're doing with the net neutrality debate here. What it boils down to is British fox hunting is not controlling vermin, a fox is usually specifically trapped for each hunt, its a bloodsport and no civilized country that bans other blood sports should legalize it because its tradition, you don't see us Americans legalizing cock fights because its a Latin tradition

Reading the title I thought this was good and then I read how its done literally what

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;46805923]You sound angry. Calm down.[/QUOTE] you, on the other hand, sound like you have nothing of any value to add to the discussion

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;46804847]can you expand on how exactly animal cruelty = individual freedom and free expression[/QUOTE] I admit I'm not well read on fox hunting, but if it is a major part of British culture (or at least the culture of certain towns), then who are we to try to force our views on them. As inhumane as the act is, nobody is being harmed, the environment isn't being destroyed and no species are being forced into near extinction.

[QUOTE=Saigon;46814499]I admit I'm not well read on fox hunting, but if it is a major part of British culture (or at least the culture of certain towns), then who are we to try to force our views on them. As inhumane as the act is, [B]nobody is being harmed[/B], the environment isn't being destroyed and no species are being forced into near extinction.[/QUOTE] ???

[QUOTE=Saigon;46814499]I admit I'm not well read on fox hunting, but if it is a major part of British culture (or at least the culture of certain towns), [B]then who are we to try to force our views on them[/B]. As inhumane as the act is, nobody is being harmed, the environment isn't being destroyed and no species are being forced into near extinction.[/QUOTE] The British banned it themselves, they can't force their own views on themselves.