Life-Like Android Robots from Japan Show Glimpses of the Future - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45204568]I could argue about that the internet as brought a lot of people down, I can say it varies between the two others.[/QUOTE] It's also connected the [I]ENTIRE[/I] earth, allowing us to harness every known piece of information at the click of a button, allowing even the most average of joes to learn new skills in days, something which was unthinkable back then. Culture can be and IS shared globally and has expanded our minds and our ways of thinking.

[QUOTE=Unit-05;45204349]It can also be very dangerous, and really begs the question, if a machine can really [I]feel[/I] emotions and can truly be self aware then it really begs the question; Does it then deserve to be respected? Does it then deserve the right to live? (or to exist in this case) also it reminds me of this video: [video=youtube;bZGzMfg381Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZGzMfg381Y[/video][/QUOTE] the animatrix is great

Yusssss! My waifu can now have a body. Even without AI. Joke's out though, there are already concerts in Japan where[URL="http://mikuexpo.com/"] a holographic figure[/URL] dances on a projection in a screen.[B][I] And that gets filled crazily.[/I][/B] Imagine now with a real, 3D body (previously animated).

[QUOTE=Unit-05;45204349]It can also be very dangerous, and really begs the question, if a machine can really [I]feel[/I] emotions and can truly be self aware then it really begs the question; Does it then deserve to be respected? Does it then deserve the right to live? (or to exist in this case) also it reminds me of this video: [video=youtube;bZGzMfg381Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZGzMfg381Y[/video][/QUOTE] I really don't see why that's a question at all. If something can be hurt, then hurting it is generally immoral, organic or not. The only reason I can even think of to argue is because you're just looking for an excuse to act like a dick and have it be accepted.

If it thinks, if it feels, if it knows it's alive, then it's worthy of absolute equality. I think we have enough popular fiction about this issue to avoid it, with terminator and the like, although that won't stop a creator's complex. still, this shits amazing, especially since it's a very close possibility. Strogg me up sonny

Oh god, please no. I love robots, I really do, but why androids. Yes, I have an irrational fear of androids. Imagine some guy walking down the street, his head opens or something and you see gears and whatnot. I am terrified of androids. I can't even watch A.I., the commercials gave me nightmares. Westworld is a horror movie to me, same with A.I. Why can't we get more robots that look like ASMIO, or Iron Man, or Spartans? Even Sunny from I. Robot is alright. Why not robots that look like P-Body and Atlas? Or Clank and Scopedogs? Marven even? Gundams, Transformers, droids from Starwars, the list goes on. Those are the kind of robots I'd love to see. And I'd love for them to have lifelike AI, to actually be "alive". to think and feel human, and not just simple programming. I'd treat them like any other living being, would even love being around them, or being chums with them. But androids that pretty much wear human skin? Fuck no.

Holy shit, imagine ordering an Android to look exactly like Megaman with the blaster and everything.

I would really like to see that they differentiate androids from humans in appearance. Seeing those androids in human appearance somewhat awake a primal fear in me. Never give them any magazines, we all know how it ends.

[QUOTE=Vipes;45204691]Oh god, please no. I love robots, I really do, but why androids. Yes, I have an irrational fear of androids. Imagine some guy walking down the street, his head opens or something and you see gears and whatnot. I am terrified of androids. I can't even watch A.I., the commercials gave me nightmares. Westworld is a horror movie to me, same with A.I. Why can't we get more robots that look like ASMIO, or Iron Man, or Spartans? Even Sunny from I. Robot is alright. Why not robots that look like P-Body and Atlas? Or Clank and Scopedogs? Marven even? Gundams, Transformers, droids from Starwars, the list goes on. Those are the kind of robots I'd love to see. And I'd love for them to have lifelike AI, to actually be "alive". to think and feel human, and not just simple programming. I'd treat them like any other living being, would even love being around them, or being chums with them. But androids that pretty much wear human skin? Fuck no.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.wired.com/2011/07/human-android-brain-response/[/url] This is a very good read on why some people might have a fear of how an android looks. [QUOTE]The team made videos of Repliee Q2 performing actions like waving, nodding, taking a drink of water and picking up a piece of paper from a table. Then, the same actions were performed by the Japanese woman whom Q2 is based on. Finally, the researchers stripped the robot of its synthetic skin and hair to reveal a Terminator-style metal robot with dangling wires and visible circuits. The subjects were shown each of the videos and were informed about which was a robot and which human. Then, the subjects’ brains were scanned in an fMRI machine. When viewing the real human and the metallic robot, the brains showed very typical reactions. But when presented with the uncanny android, the brain “lit up” like a Christmas tree. When viewing the android, the parietal cortex — and specifically in the areas that connect the part of the brain’s visual cortex that processes bodily movements with the section of the motor cortex thought to contain mirror (or empathy) neurons — saw high levels of activity. It suggests that the brain couldn’t compute the incongruity between the android’s human-like appearance and its robotic motion. In the other experiments — when the onscreen perfomer looks human and moves likes a human, or looks like a robot and moves like a robot — our brains are fine. But when the two states are in conflict, trouble arises. “The brain doesn’t seem tuned to care about either biological appearance or biological motion per se,” said Saygin, assistant professor of cognitive science at UC San Diego. “What it seems to be doing is looking for its expectations to be met — for appearance and motion to be congruent.”[/QUOTE] Also this seems relevant, imagine the first fully sentient machine was one of many of a generation of worker/slaves. [video=youtube;PPCw09-DNFg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPCw09-DNFg[/video]

[QUOTE=Vipes;45204691]Oh god, please no. I love robots, I really do, but why androids. Yes, I have an irrational fear of androids. Imagine some guy walking down the street, his head opens or something and you see gears and whatnot. I am terrified of androids. I can't even watch A.I., the commercials gave me nightmares. Westworld is a horror movie to me, same with A.I. Why can't we get more robots that look like ASMIO, or Iron Man, or Spartans? Even Sunny from I. Robot is alright. Why not robots that look like P-Body and Atlas? Or Clank and Scopedogs? Marven even? Gundams, Transformers, droids from Starwars, the list goes on. Those are the kind of robots I'd love to see. And I'd love for them to have lifelike AI, to actually be "alive". to think and feel human, and not just simple programming. I'd treat them like any other living being, would even love being around them, or being chums with them. But androids that pretty much wear human skin? Fuck no.[/QUOTE] I may be wrong but i think the reason they make them realistic is to actually put people at ease. For instance, if they where to be put to work in a hospital and to deal with kids, it'd be more comforting for them to approach something that looks human than something that looks like this... [t]http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/archive/1/17/20110126003605!Fo3OA_Winterized_Mister_Gutsy.png[/t] a bad example but you get my point?

[QUOTE=Coment;45204608]Yusssss! My waifu can now have a body. Even without AI. Joke's out though, there are already concerts in Japan where[URL="http://mikuexpo.com/"] a holographic figure[/URL] dances on a projection in a screen.[B][I] And that gets filled crazily.[/I][/B] Imagine now with a real, 3D body (previously animated).[/QUOTE] Hatsune Miku isn't a hologram, it's just a 2D projection on a piece of plexiglass. It's an old trick called Pepper's Ghost. It's often used in amusement parks.

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;45204983]I may be wrong but i think the reason they make them realistic is to actually put people at ease. For instance, if they where to be put to work in a hospital and to deal with kids, it'd be more comforting for them to approach something that looks human than something that looks like this... [t]http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/archive/1/17/20110126003605!Fo3OA_Winterized_Mister_Gutsy.png[/t] a bad example but you get my point?[/QUOTE] I'd actually love that. And as for the guy above, robots moving like humans is fine, as long as they don't look like humans, or wearing human skin synthetics. Like say HK-47 could move fluidly, doesn't bother me. It's not the movement that bothers me.

This is awesome. I fully plan on hunting and retiring replicants come 2019. [QUOTE=Unit-05;45204349]It can also be very dangerous, and really begs the question, if a machine can really [I]feel[/I] emotions and can truly be self aware then it really begs the question; Does it then deserve to be respected? Does it then deserve the right to live? (or to exist in this case)[/quote] Beg the question doesn't mean what you think it means, and you misused it twice in the same sentence.

The discussion in this thread reminds me of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? What's real, what's fake, is fake good enough and all that malarky. If we ever lived with mass-produced androids I imagine we'd all be facing similar questions.

I've never found myself creeped out by androids, but then again, I'm really bad at interpreting body language. I probably just don't pay enough attention.

I already get emotionally attached to my electronics, I can see myself welcoming a robot into my family. Unless the robot turns out to be a juggalo

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;45204983]I may be wrong but i think the reason they make them realistic is to actually put people at ease. For instance, if they where to be put to work in a hospital and to deal with kids, it'd be more comforting for them to approach something that looks human than something that looks like this... [t]http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/archive/1/17/20110126003605!Fo3OA_Winterized_Mister_Gutsy.png[/t] Bad example?[/QUOTE] Terrible example. Mr. Handy's were designed in Fallout 3's concept to give an unsettling nature in contrast to the usual cute robot you see in science fiction.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;45203742]Can they be fucked yet?[/QUOTE] To do what?

I can't wait for the day when we have Bishops and Davids running around. Real synthetic people. I hope that I'll be around on the day that humans create new life in that way. Jesus, what a time to live, we're this close already and how close will we be in 50 years? 60?

i want my own AI pet so i can have a friend :c

I find those faces creepy as fuck for some reason.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;45203734][B]Which is the woman and which is the machine?[/B] [thumb]http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1385607/which-woman-which-machine.jpg[/thumb] The one on the right is the machine obviously. Sorry but androids aren't quite there yet.[/QUOTE] I don't get it. Its not like making a lifelike mannequin is new technology.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45207075]I don't get it. Its not like making a lifelike mannequin is new technology.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. There are some technical limitations such as picking a substance that best matches human skin in texture and malleability, but other than that it's trivial. The REAL challenges in robotics are: 1) Power. 2) Software. Those two things are pretty much the only things holding us back, we have reasonably advanced tech for everything else (though computing hardware will need a boost, it'll likely be based on existing technologies and/or technology that's not too far down the road). Energy density is low in current battery tech and sufficient software for navigation and mobility is a must, though Asimo and Atlas come damn close in those areas.

I would be way more comfortable with a human appearing AI if it was in a holographic form rather than a physical android. I think it would be much easier to create the illusion of realistic human movements and gestures in a hologram rather than trying to replicate it perfectly in a physical model using machinery. It would also be easily distinguishable from a real human compared to a humanlike android. We might be able to make a physical android look exactly like a human, but will we ever be able to make them move perfectly like a human? Not for a very long time with our current mechanical constraints. Their robotic movement yet human appearance is unsettling for a lot of people out there as proven in that study posted earlier in this thread. If we are going to be incorporating robots into every day society, I think that for now we should stick to them just looking like robots because their appearance will match their behavior which will put our minds to ease. Even if we were able to make an android that looked and moved perfectly like a human, it would still make me feel weird knowing that it's not really a human. Why is it trying to mimic an imperfect being if it's not actually human underneath? What kind of purpose would it serve in the world? Wouldn't a normal person want to interact with another human being rather than some fake impostor? Humanity is its own miracle that we should keep to ourselves, robots are another miracle that should be their own thing. Things get strange when you start blending the two into one entity. There is so much more to this but those are just some of my thoughts. Maybe I am overthinking it, I'm not sure. What do others think? Do any of you share the same thoughts?

I don't think we'll ever be able to actually create an android with the complexity of human motions - not to be confused with emotions. That's not far off. But I mean, just wave your hand and arm around for a bit. There are so many intricate little details and flaws to every movement, something that a robot would never be able to do. [editline]25th June 2014[/editline] Not to mention body language habits, like shaking your leg or "readjusting" your nose a bit. Small things that make us human, and an android wouldn't do unless programmed to - and in which case would feel unhuman given their lack of spontaneity.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;45207550]I don't think we'll ever be able to actually create an android with the complexity of human motions - not to be confused with emotions. That's not far off. But I mean, just wave your hand and arm around for a bit. There are so many intricate little details and flaws to every movement, something that a robot would never be able to do. [editline]25th June 2014[/editline] Not to mention body language habits, like shaking your leg or "readjusting" your nose a bit. Small things that make us human, and an android wouldn't do unless programmed to - and in which case would feel unhuman given their lack of spontaneity.[/QUOTE] I'll bet you could animate them better with your SFM experience ;))))))

why do I need a human looking fucking robot you can't even give me a robot that wipes my ass yet and you're working on this shit?

poof right in the uncanny valley

I don't get it can't we just use actual people for whatever these are supposed to be for?

Knowing Japan they'll probably be used for sex. :v