Life-Like Android Robots from Japan Show Glimpses of the Future - Polidicks

When it comes to robots I like them to look like robots, mostly because I'd like to deck mine out with blue lights and tron lines. Making human looking robots DOES have other applications besides making replacement people, making a human looking robot arm could be used as a prosthetic limb, for example.

Call me when GLaDOS or SHODAN happen and don't tell me I didn't warn you.

Am I the only person who would really much rather have the machines look like machines? I don't want to walk down the street one day and be surprised that the street itself isn't named Uncanny Valley.

[QUOTE=onebit;45208179]Make a separate program (isolated from the thinking awareness) that tingles whatever fiber they make nerves off.[/QUOTE] A subconscious-style system uncontrollable by the main OS to maneuver human-like habits? A... a "subsystem"? [I]My god[/I]

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;45206272]Terrible example. Mr. Handy's were designed in Fallout 3's concept to give an unsettling nature in contrast to the usual cute robot you see in science fiction.[/QUOTE] I must be the only one who doesn't find Mr. Handy unsettling then. They're a mixture of cool and "cute" to me.

[QUOTE=Viewer;45208347]Call me when GLaDOS or SHODAN happen and don't tell me I didn't warn you.[/QUOTE] Forget those two, Call when Sigma appears! (See Mega Man X series) What? Sigma caused a full on world wide Reploid/Android Rebellion

I hope they don't turn out to be those robots that think "What is life? Why should I listen to you?" Also, I wondered if they would be considered a different race? Hell, an inferior race to some?

It looks like a corpse. Pale and stiff.

[QUOTE=kimr120;45210487]It looks like a corpse. Pale and stiff.[/QUOTE] That's my fetish.

I dunno about you guys, but I'd like to [i]be[/i] an android. Just cut my brain out of this meat bag, and stick in a robot. Just have to be able to move fluidly, keep my emotions, and not be hooked up to some sort of Internet where hackers or what have you could take over my body. It'd be great at least for a little while. Too hot? Too cold? Nah I can choose to feel that. Hungry? I don't need to eat for energy. Sleep? Nope, just need to charge my batteries. Synthetic hair would always be at the ideal length, nails would never need clipping, bodily waste would either not exist or be very limited. A drastic change in ones appearance would require simple modification of or replacement of parts rather than exspensive and near-permanent surgery. Only downsides I see are the inability to consume tasty food and the possiblity that everything you do will be or feel artificial in some way. [sp] I'm gonna become a Gundam[/sp]

[QUOTE=psychocyclone85;45211019]I dunno about you guys, but I'd like to [i]be[/i] an android. Just cut my brain out of this meat bag, and stick in a robot. Just have to be able to move fluidly, keep my emotions, and not be hooked up to some sort of Internet where hackers or what have you could take over my body. It'd be great at least for a little while. Too hot? Too cold? Nah I can choose to feel that. Hungry? I don't need to eat for energy. Sleep? Nope, just need to charge my batteries. Synthetic hair would always be at the ideal length, nails would never need clipping, bodily waste would either not exist or be very limited. A drastic change in ones appearance would require simple modification of or replacement of parts rather than exspensive and near-permanent surgery. Only downsides I see are the inability to consume tasty food and the possiblity that everything you do will be or feel artificial in some way. [sp] I'm gonna become a Gundam[/sp][/QUOTE] If that technology get's perfected and android bodies became Humanbody upgrade 2.0 than i'd be hyped but for now no thanks, i enjoy the taste of food the sun on my face and grass underfoot.

that would be kinda cool, have Ron Burgundy robot report the news

[QUOTE=Seriousshakey;45211459]that would be kinda cool, have Ron Burgundy robot report the news[/QUOTE] I recommend you snip that shit, like right now.

[QUOTE=Eonart;45210307]I hope androids only end up being made to serve rather than to have their own life. People are too paranoid about a "living" android on the loose that servants just seem like the safer choice.[/QUOTE] Bah, as long as they don't have better abilities than we do, I don't see how that would be an issue.

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;45211127]If that technology get's perfected and android bodies became Humanbody upgrade 2.0 than i'd be hyped but for now no thanks, i enjoy the taste of food the sun on my face and grass underfoot.[/QUOTE] Of course, there's no way I'd go for it at a raw state. There'd have to be next to no difference between a human and a human-turned-android before in appearance and feeling.

[QUOTE=Waffle Lord;45210067]I hope they don't turn out to be those robots that think "What is life? Why should I listen to you?" Also, I wondered if they would be considered a different race? Hell, an inferior race to some?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Eonart;45210307]I hope androids only end up being made to serve rather than to have their own life. People are too paranoid about a "living" android on the loose that servants just seem like the safer choice.[/QUOTE] I'm all for treating robots as living humans. Even service droids. Just because we made them doesn't mean we have the right to shit on them. If anything they're our "children" and should be treated as such. I just don't want them looking like humans. Do I treat my PC as a living person? No. So what's the difference you ask? Too many to list.

[QUOTE=Vipes;45211537]I'm all for treating robots as living humans. Even service droids. Just because we made them doesn't mean we have the right to shit on them. If anything they're our "children" and should be treated as such. I just don't want them looking like humans. Do I treat my PC as a living person? No. So what's the difference you ask? Too many to list.[/QUOTE] Well for one, your PC isn't sentient.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;45211616]Well for one, your PC isn't sentient.[/QUOTE] I know, but there's always that one guy "Do you treat your PC as a person? If not, then what's the difference?" And this is usually how robots end up hating us and slaughtering us. Notice in most movies, it's always our fault because we don't treat them like equals? It's never a system error or a glitch that made something go on a murderous rampage. It's always that one guy, and that one guy becomes multiple people.

[QUOTE=Vipes;45211637]I know, but there's always that one guy "Do you treat your PC as a person? If not, then what's the difference?"[/QUOTE] Because the difference between a PC and a sentient, thinking, reasoning, feeling, self-aware machine is pretty much everything I listed after "a PC and a". People who use that logic to argue that point aren't thinking about it thoroughly. If we were to build a machine that was very much like us in every regard EXCEPT their physical form, then by all means that machine deserves the same treatment that any other human being does. A lot of people don't stop to think about that. Hell, there are people that treat animals as though they're people when, while they're capable of emotion and some level of reasoning/self awareness, they're not "at our level". [quote]And this is usually how robots end up hating us and slaughtering us. Notice in most movies, it's always our fault because we don't treat them like equals? It's never a system error or a glitch that made something go on a murderous rampage. It's always that one guy, and that one guy becomes multiple people.[/quote] The only instances I can recall of such a scenario in media would be from Rossum's Universal Robots, The Second Renaissance, and [I]maybe[/I] The Terminator. Terminator's kinda gray on the subject because Skynet acted in what it believed to be self-defense because it knew we were capable of "killing" it. In other scenarios, the robots DO possess some sort of software flaw (not a bug or glitch, just a flaw in their coding, there is a difference) that leads them to believe that they are superior and it's for the good of everything that we're gone. (I, Robot (the shitty movie version) is sort of an example of this) The thing with a truly LIVING machine is that while in the background it would run on logic, the end result of its decision making wouldn't be hard, cold logic. It would be capable of weighing all the different outcomes and scenarios and be capable of thinking for itself, and likely even capable of compassion or empathy, so it would pretty much be a flaw of sorts if we made a machine as cold and logical as we portray them in our cheesy action flicks.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;45211698]Because the difference between a PC and a sentient, thinking, reasoning, feeling, self-aware machine is pretty much everything I listed after "a PC and a". People who use that logic to argue that point aren't thinking about it thoroughly. If we were to build a machine that was very much like us in every regard EXCEPT their physical form, then by all means that machine deserves the same treatment that any other human being does. A lot of people don't stop to think about that. Hell, there are people that treat animals as though they're people when, while they're capable of emotion and some level of reasoning/self awareness, they're not "at our level".[/QUOTE] I already agree with all that, I think you might have misread my post. I wasn't saying we should treat them the same as a pc/tool, I was just trying to disarm that one guy you know is going to post sooner or later.

[QUOTE=Vipes;45211725]I already agree with all that, I think you might have misread my post. I wasn't saying we should treat them the same as a pc/tool, I was just trying to disarm that one guy you know is going to post sooner or later.[/QUOTE] Oh I know, I was pretty much agreeing with you by providing the simplest counter for such an argument should anyone make it.

You need to list The Animatrix. [QUOTE]The relationship between humans and machines changes in the year 2090, when a domestic android is threatened by its owner. The android, named B1-66ER, then kills the owner, his pets, and a mechanic instructed to deactivate the robot. This murder is the first incident of an artificially intelligent machine killing a human. B1-66ER is arrested and put on trial, but justifies the crime as self-defense, stating that it "did not want to die". During the trial scene, there is a voice-over of Clarence Darrow (the defense attorney) quoting a famous line from the Dred Scott v. Sandford case in 1856 in his closing statement, which implicitly ruled that African Americans were not entitled to citizenship under United States law. Using this as a precedent, the prosecution argues that machines are not entitled to the same rights as human beings, and specifically that human beings have a right to destroy their property, while the defense urges the listener not to repeat history, and to judge B1-66ER as a human and not a machine.[/QUOTE] Of course, history repeats and viva la robot revolution.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;45211698]The thing with a truly LIVING machine is that while in the background it would run on logic, the end result of its decision making wouldn't be hard, cold logic. It would be capable of weighing all the different outcomes and scenarios and be capable of thinking for itself, and likely even capable of compassion or empathy, so it would pretty much be a flaw of sorts if we made a machine as cold and logical as we portray them in our cheesy action flicks.[/QUOTE] But compassion and empathy are a result of logic. Those emotions are beneficial to us, because it helps us work as a group which makes us more resilient. There's nothing that doesn't result from hard, cold logic. It's just that in our case we differentiate between Cartesian reasoning and instinct, while in reality they're not that far off from each other.

[QUOTE=Vipes;45209612]I must be the only one who doesn't find Mr. Handy unsettling then. They're a mixture of cool and "cute" to me.[/QUOTE] They're Fallout 3 rendition has dark/light contrast, which is designed to give a startling appearance to them. If they were a lot more garish and sleek like say, EVA from WALL-E then they would be something you'd put in a children's hospital. [QUOTE=Vipes;45211537]I'm all for treating robots as living humans. Even service droids. Just because we made them doesn't mean we have the right to shit on them. If anything they're our "children" and should be treated as such. I just don't want them looking like humans. Do I treat my PC as a living person? No. So what's the difference you ask? Too many to list.[/QUOTE] Have you ever considered adopting a child/pet?

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;45212059]They're Fallout 3 rendition has dark/light contrast, which is designed to give a startling appearance to them. If they were a lot more garish and sleek like say, EVA from WALL-E then they would be something you'd put in a children's hospital.[/QUOTE] I still see nothing wrong with Mr. Handy. He doesn't look threatening at all. Just a three eyed, three armed, floating maintenance bot. He looks rugged, but that's only to be expected for a robot that survived the nuclear war. [QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;45212059]Have you ever considered adopting a child/pet?[/QUOTE] I think that's supposed to be a shot at me but I can't tell.

The likeness to human beings is freaking me out. Would prefer these adorable guys. [IMG]http://www.filmchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/robotsWEB.jpg[/IMG]

Don't we have mountains of research proving that people do not respond well to this sort of thing? Why do they keep trying? [QUOTE=Viewer;45208347]Call me when GLaDOS or SHODAN happen and don't tell me I didn't warn you.[/QUOTE] [I]-Megalomaniac AI looking for loyal, obedient meatbag to serve as full time assistant. Apply within. [/I] Shit, I'd be there in a heartbeat. :dance:

[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;45213713]Don't we have mountains of research proving that people do not respond well to this sort of thing? Why do they keep trying?[/QUOTE] [I]"You see that thing?" "Yeah, what about it?" "I wanna fuck it."[/I]

Don't really see the problem people have with sentient androids with emotions and what-not. If something can feel, does it really matter what it's made of? Plus, I'd love to have another equally intelligent species walking around. [QUOTE=Gwoodman;45203856]Kinda creepy tbh, I don't want emotionless humans walking around, then again I don't want anything artificial with emotions, call me paranoid if you want, that shizzle ain't reassuring just make robot-looking robots useful for something instead of humanly realistic robots[/QUOTE] [t]http://pop-verse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Data_crying.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=_Axel;45211859]But compassion and empathy are a result of logic. Those emotions are beneficial to us, because it helps us work as a group which makes us more resilient. There's nothing that doesn't result from hard, cold logic. It's just that in our case we differentiate between Cartesian reasoning and instinct, while in reality they're not that far off from each other.[/QUOTE] It's logic, yes, but it's different in that one can chose to go against logic.