[QUOTE=Adius Shadow;33009944]If they are going to do shit like this
They deserve to be the 99%[/QUOTE]
Glasgow=/=Scotland
Man Without Hat and Chubbs are actually starting to depress me. These are the sort of people that like to paint Britain as one long fucked up crime wave slowly stabbing itself into oblivion. That's all we read and hear about but that's no different to Canada or America. Zeke is talking about politics, the Glasgow City Council are legally ejecting the participants of the protest because there has been an incident that has probably ruined someone's life forever. It has nothing to do with further violence or differences in culture.
You're both fucking idiots.
[QUOTE=Chubbs;33011016]Zeke, just get out, you don't have ANY idea what you are talking about. The culture in Canada is a whole lot different to that in the UK and you seem to be misunderstanding that.[/QUOTE]
I really don't get what you gain by lying about how bad Scotland is just so you can win an argument
Man Without Hat is the one who came up with the preposterous idea that the protests were shut down because Glasgow might devolve into a frenzy of knifings due to Scottish culture making everyone there predisposed to violence, I don't get why you support this idea since it's wrong
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33011017]They had no right to be there in the first place. It just showed there is a large potential for crimes to happen and for the police to be near powerless in finding the person responsible.[/QUOTE]
Also there have been hundreds of protests and sit ins across Glasgow and all over Scotland that have gone off without incident. Stop acting like the moment more than 10 people get together in this country, they all stab or fuck each other illegally.
[QUOTE=Flicker;33011056]Man Without Hat and Chubbs are actually starting to depress me. These are the sort of people that like to paint Britain as one long fucked up crime wave slowly stabbing itself into oblivion. That's all we read and hear about but that's no different to Canada or America. Zeke is talking about politics, the Glasgow City Council are legally ejecting the participants of the protest because there has been an incident that has probably ruined someone's life forever. It has nothing to do with further violence or differences in culture.
You're both fucking idiots.[/QUOTE]
I'm not, I'm just telling him to accept that there are differences and that he should leave before he starts an even worse flamewar.
[editline]28th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33011081]I really don't get what you gain by lying about how bad Scotland is just so you can win an argument
Man Without Hat is the one who came up with the preposterous idea that the protests were shut down because Glasgow might devolve into a frenzy of knifings due to Scottish culture making everyone there predisposed to violence, I don't get why you support this idea since it's wrong[/QUOTE]
I never supported him I just pointed out that in some respects he was partly right. I worded it pretty badly too, sorry.
[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;33011039]Glasgow=/=Scotland[/QUOTE]
Glasgow is about 1/5th of Northern Britain.
Everybody thinks that the Highlands are where all the Northern British live and their excuse for a culture is, but fact is that most of the people in Northern Britain reside in just a couple of cities.
Of course there are literal differences. He's wondering why the fuck Man Without Hat is insisting they should have never even been there because any sort of gathering in Scotland apparently ends with mass stabbings or rape and his insisting that Scotland has a much better feeling of community than Canada or America or wherever Zeke lives when Man Without Hat probably knows about as much of his culture as Zeke does about the UK.
Zeke makes a valid point about there being a general attitude towards doing the decent thing across all nations, not just in Scotland due to a higher risk of violence or something. All you two are doing are calling him ignorant.
[QUOTE=Flicker;33011253]Of course there are literal differences. He's wondering why the fuck Man Without Hat is insisting they should have never even been there because any sort of gathering in Scotland apparently ends with mass stabbings or rape and his insisting that Scotland has a much better feeling of community than Canada or America or wherever Zeke lives when Man Without Hat probably knows about as much of his culture as Zeke does about the UK.
Zeke makes a valid point about there being a general attitude towards doing the decent thing across all nations, not just in Scotland due to a higher risk of violence or something. All you two are doing are calling him ignorant.[/QUOTE]
I'm not calling him ignorant. I am simply pointing out that the culture in the UK is different to that of Canada and that perhaps Zeke should just accept that there are and move on, as arguing is going to be pointless.
Well I'm really glad to hear that Scottish people don't constantly stab each other
I was beginning to believe it was some kind of customary greeting in Scottish culture
[editline]28th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Chubbs;33011330]I'm not calling him ignorant. I am simply pointing out that the culture in the UK is different to that of Canada and that perhaps Zeke should just accept that there are and move on, as arguing is going to be pointless.[/QUOTE]
I know there are differences but I don't think the difference is that Scottish people are inherently more violent than Canadians
Scotland is a wonderful place tbh, glasgow isn't that great but all the other places are fantastic. Everyone's really friendly for the most part, for example when I was in Islay that place was just wonderful. Didn't run in to a negative person there.
[QUOTE=Chubbs;33011330]I'm not calling him ignorant. I am simply pointing out that the culture in the UK is different to that of Canada and that perhaps Zeke should just accept that there are and move on, as arguing is going to be pointless.[/QUOTE]
But he wasn't talking about culture, Man Without Hat was. Which is why he began to think we all go around stabbing each other.
[QUOTE=MR-X;33011436]Scotland is a wonderful place tbh, glasgow isn't that great but all the other places are fantastic. Everyone's really friendly for the most part, for example when I was in Islay that place was just wonderful. Didn't run in to a negative person there.[/QUOTE]
Edinburgh is pretty crap as well. Northern Britain has been mainly disappointing for me, I also don't know why they go on about trying to teach kids Gaelic when nobody even gives a shit about it.
[QUOTE=Flicker;33011463]But he wasn't talking about culture, Man Without Hat was. Which is why he began to think we all go around stabbing each other.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't actually thinking that I was just playing along
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33011629]I wasn't actually thinking that I was just playing along[/QUOTE]
I know but that was what he would have you believe. Is what I meant.
Must be running out of sheep to fuck.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33010614]
But of course you don't, you don't understand any non-american culture.[/QUOTE]
what the bloody hell does that have to do with anything?
[editline]28th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Flicker;33011056]Man Without Hat and Chubbs are actually starting to depress me. [/QUOTE]
this happens in every thread about some european nation. some ignorant dude's gonna use the "YOU DON'T LIVE HERE OR UNDERSTAND US" defense even though there's nothing to understand.
Man Without Hat evidently can not handle a jab at a stereotype and needs to get a sense of humor. Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to get the maple syrup harvest and build an igloo.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33010319]I don't think they should leave. The rapist should be arrested, but it isn't indicative of the entire protest. Law enforcement is going to exploit a rape to get what they want here, and people shouldn't stand for it.[/QUOTE]
It means that the safety is no longer the, the protestors nor the Police can control what individuals do and this is a text book case of a legitimate reason to make them leave.
Zeke, this happens at any protest where people start losing control and become a mob.
Apparently most cities in the world are shitty, according to this thread and people's experiences.
Also no one understands anyone else's culture, in fact people don't understand their own culture.
Also if a woman gets raped a mob will form and they'll all stab each other.
[QUOTE=Collin665;33012438]Apparently most cities in the world are shitty, according to this thread and people's experiences.
Also no one understands anyone else's culture, in fact people don't understand their own culture.
Also if a woman gets raped a mob will form and they'll all stab each other.[/QUOTE]
You'd need to know your own country's history to fully understand its culture.
[quote]"This is totally unacceptable. We believe it beyond question that our society should neither tolerate, not allow violence against women, in any place, at any time."[/quote]
This just in: Female crime rate in Scotland jumps by 560%
[QUOTE=Swilly;33012464]You'd need to know your own country's history to fully understand its culture.[/QUOTE]
British people feel more important than we actually are.
I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. Not that I want happen, but you know. You have hundreds of people sleeping outside. In the dark.
[QUOTE=Swilly;33012422]
Zeke, this happens at any protest where people start losing control and become a mob.[/QUOTE]
What? How was this protest losing control and becoming a mob? There was an allegation of sexual assault. No mob.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33010319]I don't think they should leave. The rapist should be arrested, but it isn't indicative of the entire protest. Law enforcement is going to exploit a rape to get what they want here, and people shouldn't stand for it.[/QUOTE]
If anything I suppose it's to stop it happening again.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33010614]They aren't exploiting the rape. If you understood our culture you would understand that it's safer for the protesters not to be there until the rapist is caught.
But of course you don't, you don't understand any non-american culture.[/QUOTE]
So your culture is that you hurt people as soon as someone is accused of rape, even if the victim or evidence isn't there? Sounds like a shit culture, or you are just making up reasons why the authority is justified in kicking protestors out of an area.
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;33014415]If anything I suppose it's to stop it happening again.[/QUOTE]
That argument can be used to shut down any protest anywhere in the world, because every one will have someone doing something illegal at some point.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33014124]What? How was this protest losing control and becoming a mob? There was an allegation of sexual assault. No mob.[/QUOTE]
People tend to look at any remotely negative event occurring as an opportunity to say "look! they're becoming a violent mob!". Even something as simple as yelling at a police officer now justifies a beating in the eyes of the dismissive.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33014124]What? How was this protest losing control and becoming a mob? There was an allegation of sexual assault. No mob.[/QUOTE]
We'll wait for the aftermath. Its too soon to tell but there are three scenarios that will unfold.
A.Nothing happens, including the police unable to find who did it.(Non-Mob, which means they can stay)
B.Rumors spread and witch hunt begins(Mob, need to disperse)
C.Police find the man who did it, and everyone goes back to protesting(Non-mob)
These are just finely defined scenarios, it most likely be a mix, but either way, the mob scenario has at least a third of a chance to bleed into the other two. As soon as that happens.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;33008403]It doesn't help anyone to assume by default that someone who claims to be raped is lying.[/QUOTE]
That's uhhh... exactly what you're supposed to do?
Innocent until proven guilty on the perp's side and all...
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