Michael Moore unveils plans for next documentary - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lankist;15947819]lol [editline]06:04PM[/editline] Yes he can. That's bullshit and you know it. If money doesn't work, give away your money. If you're preaching against money, stop taking other people's money.[/QUOTE] [B]No he can't neither can I nor you[/B] because we would lead a very shitty life in Capitalism. I am preaching against money but it's not my fault that I'm forced to use it, now is it? And no, there's no Island I could go to where there's no money because guess what, they cost money. You can't expect me to burn money in a money humping world. We rather have to overcome the monetary system and that's what Moore is trying to do by telling YOU that Capitalism doesn't work. And he doesn't jump to the conclusion that we should all hail Communism. No. It just fails as much as Capitalism. We need to come up with new ideas.

[QUOTE=drive_the_hive;15947766]Definitely a System without money. Money doesn't work. Money corrupts and destroys both Communism and Capitalism.[/QUOTE] Ahh, yes. the barter system. Because that works so well. Its not like that fails when you try and get it to work on a scale bigger than that of a flea market. Yeah, you could [B][I]TOTALLY[/I][/B] use that to run an entire nation and the world. Money works, just not when you give it to stupid fat fucks who make shitty heavily biased and political movies and their brethren.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;15947874]HIVE MIND GO! Or Anarcho-Collectivism.[/QUOTE] TYPICAL AMERICAN GO! Just because I reject the idea of a monetary system doesn't mean I want everyone to be equal. [editline]12:23AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeddy;15948126]Ahh, yes. the barter system. Because that works so well. Its not like that fails when you try and get it to work on a scale bigger than that of a flea market. Yeah, you could [B][I]TOTALLY[/I][/B] use that to run an entire nation and the world. Money works, just not when you give it to stupid fat fucks who make shitty heavily biased and political movies and their brethren.[/QUOTE] What? No not barter. No trade at all.

[QUOTE=drive_the_hive;15947766]Definitely a System without money. Money doesn't work. Money corrupts and destroys both Communism and Capitalism.[/QUOTE] lulwut? Even if there was no money, there would have to be another form of currency or a bartering system. Money does need to be reformed though, considering the points raised in a certain documentry called Money as Debt about where money actually comes from.

[QUOTE=drive_the_hive;15947395] Um, being against Capitalism doesn't automatically make you a Socialist/Communist but hey, it's not your fault, it's the age old and average american view of life. If it ain't capitalism, it's communism. Hurff. I, for one, reject them all since they don't work. Communism sucks if you're rich, Capitalism sucks if you're poor but they both suck at staying alive. Communism has a tendency to turn into a fierce dictatorship while Capitalism occasionally just flat out collapses on itself. So while communist countries suffer from harsh politicians, capitalist countries fall into a downward spiral of debt and depression so obviously they both suck pretty badly. We need a new system.[/QUOTE] Maybe you should consider decentralized socialism? In all aspects, a decentralized planned economy, and decentralized government power in the form of workplace democracies or councils (see, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_democracy]Soviet Democracy[/url]. Communism in the 20th century failed because of centralized power which formed a bureaucracy that had no interest in things such as democracy. Capitalism fails because it concentrates wealth, and ultimately power, in a tiny 1% of the population. In my opinion, libertarians and other free marketers are idealists because they ignore the reasons why our government has become so 'big'. And it's not because of those [i]damn librulz[/i]

[QUOTE=drive_the_hive;15948173]TYPICAL AMERICAN GO! Just because I reject the idea of a monetary system doesn't mean I want everyone to be equal. [editline]12:23AM[/editline] What? No not barter. No trade at all.[/QUOTE] Where is the motivation to do anything if there is no trade whatsoever and nothing to earn and measure your success with?

Mike is now a hero in my eyes. He trolled christians.

[QUOTE=drive_the_hive;15948119][B]No he can't neither can I nor you[/B] because we would lead a very shitty life in Capitalism. I am preaching against money but it's not my fault that I'm forced to use it, now is it? And no, there's no Island I could go to where there's no money because guess what, they cost money. You can't expect me to burn money in a money humping world. We rather have to overcome the monetary system and that's what Moore is trying to do by telling YOU that Capitalism doesn't work. And he doesn't jump to the conclusion that we should all hail Communism. No. It just fails as much as Capitalism. We need to come up with new ideas.[/QUOTE] Thanks but I'm going to stick with what works rather than governing the entire world on what an internet 13 year old thinks is a great new idea.

[QUOTE=drive_the_hive;15948173]TYPICAL AMERICAN GO! Just because I reject the idea of a monetary system doesn't mean I want everyone to be equal. [editline]12:23AM[/editline] What? No not barter. No trade at all.[/QUOTE] 1. I'm an Irish immigrant. 2.It was a joke 3. That is a bold statement from somebody called "Drive_the_[b]hive[/b]" 4. I never said you wanted to have everybody equal.

And yes, I can expect you to stop profiting on the system you chastise.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15948268]Thanks but I'm going to stick with what works rather than governing the entire world on what an internet 13 year old thinks is a great new idea.[/QUOTE] :dogout: capitalism is really working well at governing the third world, which holds the majority of the world's population.

I hate Moore's guts. All 800 pounds of it.

I just Moore, he's so troll for all the right reasons.

[QUOTE=Conscript;15948313]:dogout: capitalism is really working well at governing the third world, which holds the majority of the world's population.[/QUOTE] Yeah and socialism totally works too especially when the massive institutions it supports totally survive for longer than half a century they know how to farm people never go hungry

[QUOTE=drive_the_hive;15948173] What? No not barter. No trade at all.[/QUOTE] how the fuck would anything like that work AT ALL? People want something for things they do, we're people, not fucking ants. They want an award for the thing their doing, they're not gonna do anything if they don't get a single thing out of it. IT'S BASIC INSTINCT! Unless you have some sort of fucked up plan to change our genetics to be more colonial like ants (thus getting rid of our individuality and almost everything that makes us human), other whys it won't fucking work! Don't talk about what you believe should happen with out thinking about it first!

OH DAMN yeah I said it Maybe if you enjoy having your country run by a bunch of fucking idiots who don't know how to farm you can move toward a socialist approach.

[QUOTE=drive_the_hive;15948173] What? No not barter. No trade at all.[/QUOTE] Too bad that will never ever ever ever ever ever ever work. People won't work for nothing.

Because socialism has a MUCH better track record than capitalism RITE

[QUOTE=drive_the_hive;15948173]TYPICAL AMERICAN GO! Just because I reject the idea of a monetary system doesn't mean I want everyone to be equal. [editline]12:23AM[/editline] What? No not barter. No trade at all.[/QUOTE] Then people wouldn't do anything, they would just steal.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15948359]Yeah and socialism totally works too especially when the massive institutions it supports totally survive for longer than half a century they know how to farm people never go hungry[/QUOTE] It has worked in large parts of europe for the last century.

[QUOTE=Cheezy;15948475]It has worked in large parts of europe for the last century.[/QUOTE] And now they are getting fed up about it.

[QUOTE=Cheezy;15948475]It has worked in large parts of europe for the last century.[/QUOTE] Sure it has. Because, as well all know, the European governments, the EU and their involvement in the UN has demonstrated complete competence.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15948359]Yeah and socialism totally works too especially when the massive institutions it supports totally survive for longer than half a century[/quote] So is it lesser of the two evils now? I don't exactly consider socialist revolutions in countries where 80%+ of the population is the peasantry be an example of socialism or a workers' democracy (I'm not even mentioning how much foreign [i]capitalist[/i] powers intervened in the Russian civil war to stop these communists, that should indicate something). That's why socialism failed in countries like the USSR and the warsaw pact, along with China and other purely nationalist revolutions that were fighting foreign businesses exploiting their country, if they were socialist at all. Furthermore I don't exactly consider capitalism to be working when we are busy sending off our dad's, sons, brothers, etc. off to war to fight against some third worlders who don't like the fact that we pay their kind pennies a day to manufacture everything for us. Or when our own government that is supposed to be a democracy is lying itself into war to satisfy business interests (like Iraq).

[QUOTE=Conscript;15948510]So is it lesser of the two evils now? I don't exactly consider socialist revolutions in countries where 80%+ of the population is the peasantry be an example of socialism or a workers' democracy (I'm not even mentioning how much foreign [i]capitalist[/i] powers intervened in the Russian civil war to stop these communists, that should indicate something). That's why socialism failed in countries like the USSR and the warsaw pact, along with China and other nationalist revolutions that were fighting foreign interests in their country. Furthermore I don't exactly consider capitalism to be working when we are busy sending off our dad's, sons, brothers, etc. off to war to fight against some third worlders who don't like the fact that we pay their kind pennies a day to manufacture everything for us.[/QUOTE] YEAH the USSR was shit because of the fukken capitalists! Sure. Go to China. [editline]06:39PM[/editline] Also capitalism is an economic policy, NOT a wide political philosophy. It has nothing to do with war.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15948545]YEAH the USSR was shit because of the fukken capitalists! Sure. Go to China.[/QUOTE] Haha no wonder chippay thinks you're stupid. [quote=Lankist;44343]Also capitalism is an economic policy, NOT a wide political philosophy. It has nothing to do with war. [/quote] Capitalism is a social and economic system, not a policy. An example of a policy is unregulated or regulated markets.

And your claim that we invade countries that have sweatshops? Please. [editline]06:40PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Conscript;15948572]Haha no wonder chippay thinks you're stupid.[/QUOTE] Haha that's not a real rebuttal. [editline]06:40PM[/editline] Chippay thinks I'm stupid because he's 13, and you're 19. Kid, you don't know jack shit.

[Quote=Lankist;434343] And your claim that we invade countries that have sweatshops? Please.[/quote] Come back to me when you actually want to debate. [Quote=Lankist;434343]Haha that's not a real rebuttal.[/quote] Speak for yourself. [Quote=Lankist;434343]Chippay thinks I'm stupid because he's 13, and you're 19. Kid, you don't know jack shit.[/QUOTE] You give off a lot reasons to make people think you're stupid, like your posts in this thread.

Capatilism is great it just needs to be regulated. I don't see why people always feel we have to be one extreme or the other.

[QUOTE=Conscript;15948692]Come back to me when you actually want to debate. [/QUOTE] No, see, that was a legitimate point. That you ignored. Capitalism and Socialism are economic policies. They have extremely minimal involvement in law, military and war. Furthermore, to say capitalism encourages war? Please. It's cheaper to negotiate than it is to fight. You can call me stupid all you want, but your entire argument consists of "FUKK THE CAPITALISTS" in more words, with absolutely no understanding of what an economic policy really is. You think capitalism and socialism are systems of government and politic. They aren't.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;15948220]Where is the motivation to do anything if there is no trade whatsoever and nothing to earn and measure your success with?[/QUOTE] It doesn't exist in our generations which is a shame. We're animals and as you stated, can't help it but compare ourselves to one another. There are different motivations though, but they have degenerated over the years because Capitalism and our instinct only knows 3 Motivations. Money, Work and Competition. It will take centuries of 'specialized education' (sounds scary, doesn't it?) until we are ready to overcome these basic motivations so we can move on. There's land in sight, though. How about a resource-oriented system, instead of a monetary one? Fact: Money is actually worth jack shit. It's paper and it's value is artificial. Money doesn't build buildings or cars or helps us get along. Resources do. Imagine a world in which robots do all the work. And by all the work I mean everything. Politics (if they are still necessary) basic work, whatever you can think of that humans do today, while we humans take what we want and need without being greedy fucks. (Of course you'd now loudly intervene BUT THATS HOW HUMANS WORK and blammo, you're right. That's how we work. That's how money-oriented humans work. But what, if we happen to get rid of those 3 motivations? what if we actually can take what we want and need without fucking up? It wouldn't work with us. We're "corrupt" if you want to call it that. We can't survive in a System like that nor could the system live to see the next morning. All we have to do is design ourselves. We've proven to be able to suppress our animistic behaviour. We will be able to suppress our greed. So what happens to the humans in a resource-oriented society? I don't know. I function by Money Work and Competition and since these basic motivations are flat out missing in this new system I'd have a pretty hard time adjusting to it as would everyone. But they'd have alto of spare time to, I don't know, explore space which is, in my eyes, a much better life than "Wake up, go to work, sleep, repeat". But it won't happen in the near future. It might take up to 250 years until we finally crawl out of our skyscraper ruins and notice that wewt, Capitalism really doesn't do anything but collapse on itself over and over and over and... And that's optimistic but Moore is among the few to take the first steps. And so should you or your name will be noted and your descendants will be sent to working camps.