[QUOTE=JDK721;21536259]no point in using .50 cal when a smaller caliber can get the job done[/QUOTE]
while it is really macabre to be discussing the economics of shooting people, a single .50 cal round will still be less expensive than several shooters with smaller rounds
[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21536288]while it is really macabre to be discussing the economics of shooting people, a single .50 cal round will still be less expensive than several shooters with smaller rounds[/QUOTE]
One good small round to the head can kill someone, no point in using a 50 caliber round.
[QUOTE=B_oE_AN;21536219]serial killer John Wayne Gacy had a horrific allergic reaction to the lethal injection and laid there writhing in immense pain for a half hour[/QUOTE]
First, firing squad, John Wayne, funny coincidence.
And on a sidenote for those who dosn't do their medical history studies:
The lethal injection was made by Carl Brandt (The childmurdering physician who worked personally with Hitler and just loved to torture people through medical experiments). It basicly numbs down the entire body, then gives out a heavy toxin. The toxin causes a renentless amount of pain determined on who is given it, average time is about two minutes. But due to that the victim's voicebox is completley paralyzed, they won't scream, but they are being silently tortured to death through a sixty year old nazi tecnique used by a sociopathic madman who loved to kill people in labratories.
I'd pick the squad too, thank you very much.
Well... I don't know how many people you've shot (lol), but some guys have survived even after having taken one to the head. If you want proof, read about [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre]Columbine[/url]. You figure if you have the guy on a platter (a.k.a. the inmate you're executing), you should use a sure-fire way to put him down. I've never heard of someone living to tell the tale of how his head got bored through by a .50 round at point-blank range.
BTW, I'm gonna tell you up-front that he would have no head leftover.
Why do they call lethal injection "humane?"
[QUOTE=Vinze;21536309]First, firing squad, John Wayne, funny coincidence.
And on a sidenote for those who dosn't do their medical history studies:
The lethal injection was made by Carl Brandt (The childmurdering physician who worked personally with Hitler and just loved to torture people through medical experiments). It basicly numbs down the entire body, then gives out a heavy toxin. The toxin causes a renentless amount of pain determined on who is given it, average time is about two minutes. But due to that the victim's voicebox is completley paralyzed, they won't scream, but they are being silently tortured to death through a sixty year old nazi tecnique used by a sociopathic madman who loved to kill people in labratories.
I'd pick the squad too, thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
^ Explains it for me.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21536326]Why do they call lethal injection "humane?"[/QUOTE]
I guess because it's a silent death, you don't actually see someone screaming and getting blasted to bits by a firing squad.
I would request that I be put to death via military weapons testing (bombs, missiles, that sort of thing. Now that is badass.
[QUOTE=Spartan8907;21536353]I would request that I be put to death via military weapons testing (bombs, missiles, that sort of thing. Now that is badass.[/QUOTE]
What is it goes horribly wrong and you're left to bleed out on the ground with you legs missing?
What the hell is people's problem with "Cruel and unusual punishment"? It's supposed to be cruel or the criminal doesn't learn a lesson. That's the whole point of punishment, make sure that they KNOW to NOT do it ever again. Incarceration is pointless at best, and actually CREATES more problems than it solves. The way we've been doing things is NOT the right way, the ultra liberal views on punishment depend on the "morals people are born with" sadly this is a fallacy. Humans, like they're kin in the animal kingdom, are NOT born with some "goodness" inside of them. That goodness is cultivated by experiences. In the criminal's case they learn that doing bad things is beneficial, that they can make it easy by wronging others. This starts from birth, they are merely slapped on the wrists and told no, they aren't told why it was wrong, they don't have their noses rubbed in it, they aren't punished using the most primal and effective method for teaching a lesson. Pain. Before your heart starts bleeding too much, think about this. How many times have you put your hand on a hot stove on purpose or done something stupid that got you really hurt? You make DAMN sure you don't get hurt again.
The unusual part, however, is understandable, we can't have an arbitrary punishment for a crime, it needs to have a system, you do X crime, Y many times and get Z fingernails pulled off, or something like that. It also needs to be strict with no tolerance or lenience. If you are convicted you get punished, punished painfully and in public so others learn from his example.
I prefer lashes, and hanging as a punishment, the criminal should have no dignity during the punishment. :whip:
Crime is typically a barbaric act, and punishment should be likewise. Fight fire with fire.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21536531]
Crime is typically a barbaric act, and punishment should be likewise. Fight fire with fire.[/QUOTE]
you mean like the societies of way back then
[QUOTE=JDK721;21536326]Why do they call lethal injection "humane?"[/QUOTE]
I think some people try to find a way to give these people a horrible death, like some sort of revenge. It can never be humane, but they can make it seem that way, if they wanted a "humane" poison, they'd inject Dioxin and just watch the person drop dead before closing his/her eyes.
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[QUOTE=b00ce;21536531]What the hell is people's problem with "Cruel and unusual punishment"? It's supposed to be cruel or the criminal doesn't learn a lesson. That's the whole point of punishment, make sure that they KNOW to NOT do it ever again. Incarceration is pointless at best, and actually CREATES more problems than it solves. The way we've been doing things is NOT the right way, the ultra liberal views on punishment depend on the "morals people are born with" sadly this is a fallacy. Humans, like they're kin in the animal kingdom, are NOT born with some "goodness" inside of them. That goodness is cultivated by experiences. In the criminal's case they learn that doing bad things is beneficial, that they can make it easy by wronging others. This starts from birth, they are merely slapped on the wrists and told no, they aren't told why it was wrong, they don't have their noses rubbed in it, they aren't punished using the most primal and effective method for teaching a lesson. Pain. Before your heart starts bleeding too much, think about this. How many times have you put your hand on a hot stove on purpose or done something stupid that got you really hurt? You make DAMN sure you don't get hurt again.
The unusual part, however, is understandable, we can't have an arbitrary punishment for a crime, it needs to have a system, you do X crime, Y many times and get Z fingernails pulled off, or something like that. It also needs to be strict with no tolerance or lenience. If you are convicted you get punished, punished painfully and in public so others learn from his example.
I prefer lashes, and hanging as a punishment, the criminal should have no dignity during the punishment. :whip:
Crime is typically a barbaric act, and punishment should be likewise. Fight fire with fire.[/QUOTE]
No wonder you're so bloodthirsty, looking for justice on that pscyhopath who drew a butcherknife and sliced out your human sense of compassion like that.
The only way to beat evil is to be evil... MORE evil.
Yeah, I agree.
[QUOTE=Shadowspike;21533198]not to mention getting your brains blown out is much more badass than getting an IV in your arm and slowly dying[/QUOTE]
They don't shoot you in the head. They aim at your chest.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21536550]you mean like the societies of way back then[/QUOTE]
So you're saying murder, rape, assault, etc. AREN'T barbaric? News flash, people still do them today.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21536326]Why do they call lethal injection "humane?"[/QUOTE]
It's humane for the ones who have to clean up the body afterward.
They don't want to have to deal with a bloody bullet riddled corpse apparently. Even if he did die half a second after the bullet caused his heart to explode.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21536579]So you're saying murder, rape, assault, etc. AREN'T barbaric? News flash, people still do them today.[/QUOTE]
he means the punishments
[QUOTE=b00ce;21536579]So you're saying murder, rape, assault, etc. AREN'T barbaric? News flash, people still do them today.[/QUOTE]
They are, but doing the same to that person is just downright inhuman.
"You are not allowed to kill, therefore we kill you."
...Are you an idiot or something?
[QUOTE=angelangel;21533951]I'd rather be hanged.[/QUOTE]
No, you wouldn't. Hanging is one the most painful and slowest ways of executing somebody.
[QUOTE=aydin690;21536617]No, you wouldn't. Hanging is one the most painful and slowest ways of executing somebody.[/QUOTE]
If done right, it's instant.
[QUOTE=Vinze;21536552]No wonder you're so bloodthirsty, looking for justice on that pscyhopath who drew a butcherknife and sliced out your human sense of compassion like that.[/QUOTE]
Criminals don't deserve compassion.
[QUOTE=aydin690;21536617]No, you wouldn't. Hanging is one the most painful and slowest ways of executing somebody.[/QUOTE]
Actually, lethal injection is.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21536640]Criminals don't deserve compassion.[/QUOTE]
lol.. and life imprisonment without parole is a better punishment than giving them lethal injection.
I would personally ask to get shot.
I hate needles.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21536640]Criminals don't deserve compassion.[/QUOTE]
I've been in possession of drugs, vandalized, embezzled, pirated, stolen and carried contraband, including illeagal weapons. Does that mean you'll want to kill me? Because then I need to start getting bigger weapons...
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And of course, call the police.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21536667]lol.. and life imprisonment without parole is a better punishment than giving them lethal injection.[/QUOTE]
Imprisonment is a waste of money. Put them out of our misery.
[QUOTE=Vinze;21536616]They are, but doing the same to that person is just downright inhuman.
"You are not allowed to kill, therefore we kill you."
...Are you an idiot or something?[/QUOTE]
So you're saying a murderer should have rights? Actually It's about JUSTICE, not treating a known criminal nice.
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[QUOTE=Vinze;21536678]I've been in possession of drugs, vandalized, embezzled, pirated, stolen and carried contraband, including illeagal weapons. Does that mean you'll want to kill me? Because then I need to start getting bigger weapons...
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And of course, call the police.[/QUOTE]
No not killed, but you should be punished for it.
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[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21536687]Sounds oddly familiar...
[url]http://www.christophernolan.net/images/batman_photos_scene1.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
I loled.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21536767]Imprisonment is a waste of money. Put them out of our misery.[/QUOTE]
protip: executing someone in the US costs more than sentencing them to life.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21536767]So you're saying a murderer should have rights? Actually It's about JUSTICE, not treating a known criminal nice.[/QUOTE]
everyone has rights.. no matter what they do.
Anybody remember the old episode of the Twilight Zone where the Librarian is put to death for being useless? He used a bomb.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21536579]So you're saying murder, rape, assault, etc. AREN'T barbaric? News flash, people still do them today.[/QUOTE]
News flash: that doesn't mean anything.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21536767]Imprisonment is a waste of money. Put them out of our misery.
So you're saying a murderer should have rights? Actually It's about JUSTICE, not treating a known criminal nice.
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No not killed, but you should be punished for it.
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I loled.[/QUOTE]
Well, B00ce, I can see your opinions are pretty popular here... however, I agree that by having harsher punishments we'll deter crime much more than we do now. American corrections are a fuckin joke, and criminals know this better than anybody.
The thing about law and punishments, however, is that its a constant fucking rat-race - while the gov spends its time finding new ways to fight crime, criminals are busy making up new ways to dodge the law and their punishments. As such, the whole system and situation is constantly changing, which is partly why today's corrective system is so vastly different than what it looked like back in 1862.
And most of the changes, BTW, have evolved from our ever-so constitution-abiding courts.
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