[QUOTE=JDK721;21536819]protip: executing someone in the US costs more than sentencing them to life.
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Yea, because it takes so goddamn long to be carried out.
[quote]everyone has rights.. no matter what they do.[/QUOTE]
There is no "Right" to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Does the ocean answer to a drowning man's cries and sweep him to shore? No. What right to life does a man have that must die to save his children, or the planet (Lol Armageddon? Liberty is not a permanent thing, it must be refreshed by the blood of patriots, what right to life do they have? And the pursuit of happiness is a condition that any man is capable of, regardless of the situation. If I am in a prison camp during WW2; I can still pursue happiness, that said I won't be able to catch that dream of being happy.
the death penalty is proven not to prevent crime in any way at all and i don't like the idea of a government having the right to kill a citizen.
[QUOTE=Amez;21536305]One good small round to the head can kill someone, no point in using a 50 caliber round.[/QUOTE]
Think about the stories in hell.
"So what'chu get shot with?"
"Nothing much, just a '30-06"
"Pfft, pussy, I took a god damned 50 to the head"
[QUOTE=thisispain;21536932]the death penalty is proven not to prevent crime in any way at all and i don't like the idea of a government having the right to kill a citizen.[/QUOTE]
well, yeah - if you're talking about the way AMERICA treats the death penalty.
but look at China, dude. they've proven otherwise.
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There is no "Right" to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Does the ocean answer to a drowning man's cries and sweep him to shore? No. What right to life does a man have that must die to save his children, or the planet (Lol Armageddon? Liberty is not a permanent thing, it must be refreshed by the blood of patriots, what right to life do they have? And the pursuit of happiness is a condition that any man is capable of, regardless of the situation. If I am in a prison camp during WW2; I can still pursue happiness, that said I won't be able to catch that dream of being happy.[/QUOTE]
you sound like a boring history channel "AMERICA" broadcast
[QUOTE=darkheadcrab;21536969]well, yeah - if you're talking about the way AMERICA treats the death penalty.
but look at China, dude. they've proven otherwise.[/QUOTE]
China has no regard for human rights so it's not surprising. If we did that here then we would execute innocent people.
I think it's funny that I focused on corporal punishment, but people dwell on the mere fact I said something about the death penalty.
I believe utah is one of the only states to still allow execution by firing squad.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21536992]China has no regard for human rights so it's not surprising. If we did that here then we would execute innocent people.[/QUOTE]
Humans have no rights by birth.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21537002]I think it's funny that I focused on corporal punishment, but people dwell on the mere fact I said something about the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
good for you
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[QUOTE=b00ce;21537009]Humans have no rights by birth.[/QUOTE]
this is a thread about the US
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this is a thread about the US[/QUOTE]
Show me in the constitution where it supports the "Inalienable Rights". The only thing is about "cruel and unusual punishment" which is BULL SHIT.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21537041]Show me in the constitution where it supports the "Inalienable Rights". The only thing is about "cruel and unusual punishment" which is BULL SHIT.[/QUOTE]
well thank god somebody on the internet exists with some sense
here we were following the document which set up the basis for our country and was created by one of the smartest people of their time period, what time we have wasted, thank god we finally know that it is all bullshit
[QUOTE=JDK721;21536992]China has no regard for human rights so it's not surprising. If we did that here then we would execute innocent people.[/QUOTE]
No one's innocent...
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[QUOTE=JDK721;21536992]China has no regard for human rights so it's not surprising. If we did that here then we would execute innocent people.[/QUOTE]
What? China doesn't kill somebody without reason. Therefore they aren't "innocent". Innocence is an opinion.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21537103]What? China doesn't kill somebody without reason. Therefore they aren't "innocent". Innocence is an opinion.[/QUOTE]
china is totally the fucking watermark for human rights
[QUOTE=b00ce;21537103]What? China doesn't kill somebody without reason. Therefore they aren't "innocent". Innocence is an opinion.[/QUOTE]
yeah, because we should accept their conclusions.
they couldn't possibly make mistakes or frame someone.
China just sucks. They should all die.
O shit, sorry...
[QUOTE=JDK721;21537141]yeah, because we should accept their conclusions.
they couldn't possibly make mistakes or frame someone.[/QUOTE]
Why would any government try to frame some random average Joe? There would have to be a reason for them to want to do it, else they wouldn't, and obviously it's a good one.
And as for mistakes, the US court system makes them all the time.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21537210]Why would any government try to frame some random average Joe? There would have to be a reason for them to want to do it, else they wouldn't, and obviously it's a good one.
And as for mistakes, the US court system makes them all the time.[/QUOTE]
what is your point
[QUOTE=b00ce;21537210]Why would any government try to frame some random average Joe? There would have to be a reason for them to want to do it, else they wouldn't, and obviously it's a good one.
And as for mistakes, the US court system makes them all the time.[/QUOTE]
it's China. if you're a dissenter then they might kill you.
the US court system makes mistakes like every court.. which is more reason not to execute someone because they could be innocent.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21537217]what is your point[/QUOTE]
That the Chinese government isn't going around all willy nilly, killing its citizens. they're too smart for that, they'd have an uprising on their hands. Besides, you complaining about China's lack of free speech and what not is stupid. They run things differently there, and we have no right telling them what to do.
But we're not talking about China's human rights shit, we're talking about CRIME AND PUNISHMENT in the US.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21537340]That the Chinese government isn't going around all willy nilly, killing its citizens. they're too smart for that, they'd have an uprising on their hands. Besides, you complaining about China's lack of free speech and what not is stupid. [/QUOTE]
you don't think china should have free speech? because the Chinese certainly do
and you don't read the news i imagine
[QUOTE=b00ce;21537340]They run things differently there, and we have no right telling them what to do.[/QUOTE]
so you are excusing it
[QUOTE=b00ce;21537340]But we're not talking about China's human rights shit, we're talking about CRIME AND PUNISHMENT in the US.[/QUOTE]
yeah what's your point
[QUOTE=b00ce;21537340]That the Chinese government isn't going around all willy nilly, killing its citizens. they're too smart for that, they'd have an uprising on their hands. Besides, you complaining about China's lack of free speech and what not is stupid. They run things differently there, and we have no right telling them what to do.
But we're not talking about China's human rights shit, we're talking about CRIME AND PUNISHMENT in the US.[/QUOTE]
just admit that you don't believe in human rights.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21537380]just admit that you don't believe in human rights.[/QUOTE]
I don't, as I have said before.
However, I do believe in a social contract (a constitution as it were) that says the government won't do certain things to us if we follow the rules. The government answers to the people and the people to the government, if it doesn't follow the rules then we, the people, get rid of it.
The government reserves the same "right" to punish or get rid of an individual that doesn't abide by the law set by the government.
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No not killed, but you should be punished for it.
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I've had to explain to you that killing is wrong all this time, that should be enough, and then some.
[QUOTE=b00ce;21536767]So you're saying a murderer should have rights? Actually It's about JUSTICE, not treating a known criminal nice.[/quote]
So if I where to just lock you up in my basement, feed you cheap crap, and make you do my gardening on the weekends, you'd see that as a nice thing?
Hm, I wouldn't mind a free laborer that I can kill with a rifle if he tries to get away, you're hired!
[QUOTE=Shadowspike;21533119]I believe this is quicker than lethal injection, although it could be seen as "cruel and unusual".[/QUOTE]
No.
There is nothing cruel or unusual about the firing squad. It is the LEAST unusual method of killing someone you could possibly hope for. And unlike lethal injection, death is virtually instant and assured.
All executions should be firing squad. Lethal injection is cruel and unusual.
And dear god before anyone decides to get angry about me hating lethal injection, go look up how it actually works. It is FUCKED UP. Like REALLY FUCKED.
Firing Squad is a lot easier to go on ,and doesn't seem as cruel as lethal injection.
If I was ever convicted of something which was given the court order of a death penalty that is the exact way I would want to die.
I have respect for this man for choosing firing squad over injection.
[QUOTE=Vinze;21537668]I've had to explain to you that killing is wrong all this time, that should be enough, and then some.[/QUOTE]
I KNOW killing is wrong. You're just blurring justice with blood-thirst.
[QUOTE]So if I where to just lock you up in my basement, feed you cheap crap, and make you do my gardening on the weekends, you'd see that as a nice thing?
Hm, I wouldn't mind a free laborer that I can kill with a rifle if he tries to get away, you're hired![/QUOTE]
Hahaha. That's different from being in prison. One has other people to talk to, the food is good and inmates get time in the prison yard. They have a pretty good standard of living, aside from the butt rape and stabbings.
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Hahaha. That's different from being in prison. One has other people to talk to, the food is good and inmates get time in the prison yard. They have a pretty good standard of living, aside from the butt rape and stabbings.[/QUOTE]
No they don't. Prison is awful.
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