[QUOTE=SKEEA;39918980]I definitely valued human life over there man. I broke bread with several Afghan citizens, they are good people. However, you need to watch out for their misguided uncle, Johnny Taliban. The military does not mandate us to kill. It mandates us to protect, be it our own forces, or a civilian. You do not know our ROE because it is classified. We shoot in self defense. Hell, I never shot at another person over there because we were so good at keeping the peace. I would like to keep it that way.[/QUOTE]
I thought you wouldn't have shot anyone because your are like, a helicopter mechanic on a base?
[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;39933499]I'm sorry princess. I guess can't stand the idea that you can't be a special snowflake in the military, huh? Yeah, they remake you into something stalwart and sometimes cold, they have to, that's how it always been since we realized structure and drill makes better warriors than run over there and beat those other chimps to death (though the mindset may still show itself sometimes). And there is honor in serving your own country, for if you love the country you're serving in, which all citizens should, then you have done something honorable unto yourself and the nation you represent.[/QUOTE]
There's difference in loving your country, and killing innocent people, and going into war without any reason. Life is a lot more than that, and if people don't think it's inhumane what the Americans are doing/did, then they are inhumane too. I'm not saying that Americans haven't done good too, but hell, there have been a lot of shit lately. This man, Bradley Manning, has been tortured, you can see the proof from his defense lawyer, David Coombs. He's 25 fucking years. He released information showing innocent people getting slaughtered, and people laughing at it. That's what hit's my hart so bad, and that's a reason why I'm a freedom fighter.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s-pPSRn5E38[/url] Go to 1:00. Listen to Obama himself stating that Whistle Blowers will get protection.
[QUOTE=Persious;39933755]There's difference in loving your country, and killing innocent people, and going into war without any reason. Life is a lot more than that, and if people don't think it's inhumane what the Americans are doing/did, then they are inhumane too. I'm not saying that Americans haven't done good too, but hell, there have been a lot of shit lately. This man, Bradley Manning, has been tortured, you can see the proof from his defense lawyer, David Coombs. He's 25 fucking years. He released information showing innocent people getting slaughtered, and people laughing at it. That's what hit's my hart so bad, and that's a reason why I'm a freedom fighter.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s-pPSRn5E38[/url] Go to 1:00. Listen to Obama himself stating that Whistle Blowers will get protection.[/QUOTE]
We discussed earlier in this thread exactly why bradley does not qualify as a whistle blower.
I still don't think it's a valid reason which you came up with.
A whistleblower (whistle-blower or whistle blower)[2] is a person who tells the public or someone in authority about alleged dishonest or illegal activities (misconduct) occurring in a government department or private company or organization. The alleged misconduct may be classified in many ways; for example, a violation of a law, rule, regulation and/or a direct threat to public interest, such as fraud, health/safety violations, and corruption. Whistleblowers may make their allegations internally (for example, to other people within the accused organization) or externally (to regulators, law enforcement agencies, to the media or to groups concerned with the issues).
I feel bad for Manning. I don't know of how his current conditions are nor where he is but I do know that he can never be trans anymore. Everyone knows who he is now. (Only even using male pronouns because supposedly he wants that)
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[QUOTE=Persious;39935508]I still don't think it's a valid reason which you came up with.
A whistleblower (whistle-blower or whistle blower)[2] is a person who tells the public or someone in authority about alleged dishonest or illegal activities (misconduct) occurring in a government department or private company or organization. The alleged misconduct may be classified in many ways; for example, a violation of a law, rule, regulation and/or a direct threat to public interest, such as fraud, health/safety violations, and corruption. Whistleblowers may make their allegations internally (for example, to other people within the accused organization) or externally (to regulators, law enforcement agencies, to the media or to groups concerned with the issues).[/QUOTE]
I thought it was common knowledge that Manning was classified as a whistleblower
[QUOTE=Fetret;39933606]I am not taking sides in this argument, but you do realize that is the definition of the army right? I mean you do draw lines somewhere, but in the army that line is pretty far away from normal life. You take orders, you obey order, you do not question orders. You might find this concept stupid and/or illogical, and that is why army life might not be for you.[/QUOTE]
Soldiers are not obligated to follow orders that they reasonably believe are illegal.
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