District of Columbia's Ban on Right to Carry Overturned - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Jodern;45510773]Why on earth would you carry a gun in public in the first place?[/QUOTE] I carry a 92FS because I live in a shitty part of the state and have been mugged twice. Oh and I routinely have to work late. so.. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] Oh and the last time I was mugged, the guy stabbed me in the gut with a pocket knife. Yeah nah.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45510544]Guns should be a privilege, not a right.[/QUOTE] Fortunately for us, they're a right. A right which is inalienable and endowed upon us by a creator. Rights mentioned in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights aren't something you can argue with. It's set in stone. And as the language says "endowed by their Creator," your can't argue with God.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;45511406]I carry a 92FS because I live in a shitty part of the state and have been mugged twice. Oh and I routinely have to work late. so.. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] Oh and the last time I was mugged, the guy stabbed me in the gut with a pocket knife. Yeah nah.[/QUOTE] next time you'll end up dead when they grab the gun from your stuttering arse and shoot you in the face

[QUOTE=joe588;45512159]next time you'll end up dead when they grab the gun from your stuttering arse and shoot you in the face[/QUOTE] I bet you're just the friendliest of person. Now go ahead and start screaming about how superior you and your countrymen are because you're not gun-totin' amerifats.

Nah pal I just think having a gun in that situation is going to improve your chances of dying for most people unless ypu're a trained thug

[QUOTE=joe588;45512215]Nah pal I just think having a gun in that situation is going to improve your chances of dying for most people [B]unless ypu're a trained thug[/B][/QUOTE] I've been in the national guard since I was 18, does that make me a thug?

i hope u guard your country better than you guard your wallet

[QUOTE=joe588;45512247]i hope u guard your country better than you guard your wallet[/QUOTE] ...10/10.

[QUOTE=joe588;45512215]Nah pal I just think having a gun in that situation is going to improve your chances of dying for most people unless ypu're a trained thug[/QUOTE] You know the vast majority of thugs are simply going to shit their pants as soon as he pulls the gun out, right? They usually just have the knife to intimidate, and as soon as someone puts their life at risk they start begging and crying or run away like the pussy little coward they truly are. Most thugs won't even think about the possibility that they could even try to take the gun away, they'll simply go "Holy shit, he has a gun!"

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;45512272]You know the vast majority of thugs are simply going to shit their pants as soon as he pulls the gun out, right? They usually just have the knife to intimidate, and as soon as someone puts their life at risk they start begging and crying or run away like the pussy little coward they truly are. Most thugs won't even think about the possibility that they could even try to take the gun away, they'll simply go "Holy shit, he has a gun!"[/QUOTE] I've no intention of killing anyone, just to make them fuck off. I work hard for my money, it's not yours to take. And if the absolute worst happened and I ended up shooting the guy, no matter what a fantastic prick he was, I'd probably cry about it for years.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;45511017]Because quite a lot of us here live in places which don't have (relatively) easy access to guns, and don't have several (or any) school shootings every year. While guns are a normal part of life to anyone who lives in the US. Most of the support for gun rights here comes from US Facepunchers, and most members here who are against gun rights aren't from the US.[/QUOTE] Actually I'm from Scotland and own multiple firearms. They're damn fun sport.

Gun control simply can't work in America. Although i absolutely detest the American gun culture, i understand why it's there. In Australia we [b][i]successfully[/i][/b] removed guns from the masses. Mass shootings, gun crime is pretty much a thing of the past. Most of the current gun ownership it is centered around Australia's major crime organisations, the Biker Gangs, and they mostly keep to themselves. A lot of farmers have rifles and recreational hunters but that's about it. On the flipside, many Americans own guns, many shoot as a pastime and as a hobby. Ignoring the three hundred year old bit of paper, it's simply impossible to remove guns. It's too deep set into American culture, much too ingrained. Gun crime in America is much more common than most first world countries. That's why in America, and only in America, i support concealed carry and an armed populace. It's simply too late to change anything.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;45512314]I've no intention of killing anyone, just to make them fuck off. I work hard for my money, it's not yours to take. And if the absolute worst happened and I ended up shooting the guy, no matter what a fantastic prick he was, I'd probably cry about it for years.[/QUOTE] exactly, that goes for most people. you may be able to bluff as you're in the army but what use is a gun if it's obvious you won't use it

[QUOTE=joe588;45512460]exactly, that goes for most people. you may be able to bluff as you're in the army but what use is a gun if it's obvious you won't use it[/QUOTE] what use are nuclear arms if it's obvious you won't use them? for the reason of deterrence.

[QUOTE=joe588;45512460]exactly, that goes for most people. you may be able to bluff as you're in the army but what use is a gun if it's obvious you won't use it[/QUOTE] This is why you're told not to carry a gun unless you are prepared to use it.

I'm going to ignore the brewing shitstorm of an argument between gun advocates and gun dislikers and say that this is a step in the right direction. I'd also like to remind everyone here that someone was actually arrested and sent to jail in DC because they had a dummy shotgun shell and a spent bullet casing unsecured in their home. This happened. It is not a joke.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45512474]what use are nuclear arms if it's obvious you won't use them? for the reason of deterrence.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but that can create a culture of fear. That's not something i want to live in.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;45512511]Yeah, but that can create a culture of fear. That's not something i want to live in.[/QUOTE] True, but for better or worse (probably worse), we're stuck with what we do have, though I too want much the same as yourself.

[QUOTE=Telepethi;45512504]I'm going to ignore the brewing shitstorm of an argument between gun advocates and gun dislikers and say that this is a step in the right direction. I'd also like to remind everyone here that someone was actually arrested and sent to jail in DC because they had a dummy shotgun shell and a spent bullet casing unsecured in their home. This happened. It is not a joke.[/QUOTE] So would I be looking at like 5 consecutive life sentences? Most of my shit is just sitting on a display case over there. [t]https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/10563446_1514984178713302_1895658817_n.jpg?oh=3eca4778cbc94b745686599470030113&oe=53D64626&__gda__=1406590610_9e3d2b769dfadb89bb4a26406f066161[/t]

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;45512526]So would I be looking at like 5 consecutive life sentences? Most of my shit is just sitting on a display case over there. [t]https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/10563446_1514984178713302_1895658817_n.jpg?oh=3eca4778cbc94b745686599470030113&oe=53D64626&__gda__=1406590610_9e3d2b769dfadb89bb4a26406f066161[/t][/QUOTE] Probably. [url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/28/former-dc-resident-found-guilty-for-violating-city-gun-laws-for-owning-fake/[/url] I had my facts wrong he wasn't sent to jail, but he WAS arrested and he was forced to be registered in DC's "gun offender registry" For a dud shotgun shell, an empty bullet casing, and some muzzle-loader bullets.

[QUOTE=onebit;45510736]People want peace, yet demand the means of war.[/QUOTE] You do know what "Si vis, pacem para bellum" means? While I am not seeing how the right to carry a firearm benefits society, I can understand that it's also not necessarily a bad thing to carry one. I think there are enough people carrying guns and yet don't turn out to be criminals or assholes.

PFFFT, Gun offenders registry? Jesus Christ. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=KILLTHIS;45512573]You do know what "Si vis, pacem para bellum" means? While I am not seeing how the right to carry a firearm benefits society, I can understand that it's also not necessarily a bad thing to carry one. I think there are enough people carrying guns and yet don't turn out to be criminals or assholes.[/QUOTE] [I] If you want peace, prepare for war. [/I]

[QUOTE=The Aussie;45512455]Gun control simply can't work in America. Although i absolutely detest the American gun culture, i understand why it's there. In Australia we [b][i]successfully[/i][/b] removed guns from the masses. Mass shootings, gun crime is pretty much a thing of the past. Most of the current gun ownership it is centered around Australia's major crime organisations, the Biker Gangs, and they mostly keep to themselves. A lot of farmers have rifles and recreational hunters but that's about it. On the flipside, many Americans own guns, many shoot as a pastime and as a hobby. Ignoring the three hundred year old bit of paper, it's simply impossible to remove guns. It's too deep set into American culture, much too ingrained. Gun crime in America is much more common than most first world countries. That's why in America, and only in America, i support concealed carry and an armed populace. It's simply too late to change anything.[/QUOTE] Gun control in australia didnt do anything. allow to me repost this yet again, and I will do as such until people stop using Australia as a model of gun control, because its a common "go to" argument used by people here a lo. [quote=me] The problem with using Australia as an example of muh civilian safety!!! (and people keep doing this, without actually knowing what they are talking about) is outside of biased infographics that conveniently leave out the prior years to current gun legislation, the reality is Australia has never had notable firearm homicide, even when every farmer and his dog owned a battle rifle. There was a downward trend in firearm homicide and violent crime in general from about the 80s onwards, and it continued as such well past gun control. Effectively, gun control was something of a non-factor. Australia doesn't have many mass murders in general because we don't have the same density of population (using per capita is dishonest when proximity is a very real factor in violent crime) and because we have a much much better quality of life in general, not to mention mental health care. That makes a significant difference, and no US politician wants to talk about that because making monkey amendments on current gun policy is easy to make it look like you're doing something, addressing deeply rooted social problems is much harder. So please, stop using Australia as an example, and p.s we still have firearms. New Zealand has very relaxed gun policy compared to ours, and yet they have even less firearm homicide. Its not really a factor, it doesn't address the root cause of why someone would want to slaughter people. [/quote] Dont take my word for it: [url]http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/40534/1/MPRA_paper_40534.pdf[/url] Examination of the effects of the 1996 NFA. if you want a tl;dr version of it, basically the only thing the NFA effectively did was reduce the amount of firearm suicides.

[QUOTE=CAPT Opp4;45510813]I love how gun control is consistently the [I]one[/I] topic nobody in this forum can agree on. LGBT Rights, Cannabis Legalization, Religion--almost everyone maintains and agrees with the same liberal, political-left stance on those things. But when gun control comes up--no matter how agreeable we are with one another most of the time, that topic will spark a shitstorm. This is a weird place. [/QUOTE] It seems to stem partially from the fact that it's an international forum. Most American posters will be pro-gun rights, while posters from countries outside of the US with much stricter regulations who don't have the same gun culture go "well why do you need all these guns in the first place", and so everybody argues.

[QUOTE=Reds;45512671]It seems to stem partially from the fact that it's an international forum. Most American posters will be pro-gun rights, while posters from countries outside of the US with much stricter regulations who don't have the same gun culture go "well why do you need all these guns in the first place", and so everybody argues.[/QUOTE] In my opinion, while I respect and understand that those non-american posters do not understand our culture or don't agree with it, they should stop starting fights about it. Gun culture in America isn't going to change. It's as deeply rooted as our love of our flag and our hatred of commies. :v: So, please. Stop trying to disarm us.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;45512578] [i]If you want peace, prepare for war. [/I][/QUOTE] it's a pretty crap quote [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Telepethi;45512705]Gun culture in America isn't going to change. It's as deeply rooted as our love of our flag and our hatred of commies. :v:[/QUOTE] two centuries ago the united states was an agrarian society, when neither the flag itself nor communism existed it seems very likely that even apparently solid things can change

[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45512779] two centuries ago the united states was an agrarian society[/QUOTE] We sure Americanized the hell out of it, didn't we?

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;45512628]Gun control in australia didnt do anything. allow to me repost this yet again, and I will do as such until people stop using Australia as a model of gun control, because its a common "go to" argument used by people here a lo. Dont take my word for it: [url]http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/40534/1/MPRA_paper_40534.pdf[/url] Examination of the effects of the 1996 NFA. if you want a tl;dr version of it, basically the only thing the NFA effectively did was reduce the amount of firearm suicides.[/QUOTE] That's weird, i've got a University of Sydney study from 2006 detailing the exact opposite. [url]http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/12/6/365.short[/url] I couldn't find the study since the link was dead so i had to find a link from a journal. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] So all in all i'd concede the results are inconclusive. I'm not exactly about to ignore evidence.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;45512455]Gun control simply can't work in America. Although i absolutely detest the American gun culture, i understand why it's there. In Australia we [b][i]successfully[/i][/b] removed guns from the masses. Mass shootings, gun crime is pretty much a thing of the past. Most of the current gun ownership it is centered around Australia's major crime organisations, the Biker Gangs, and they mostly keep to themselves. A lot of farmers have rifles and recreational hunters but that's about it. On the flipside, many Americans own guns, many shoot as a pastime and as a hobby. Ignoring the three hundred year old bit of paper, it's simply impossible to remove guns. It's too deep set into American culture, much too ingrained. Gun crime in America is much more common than most first world countries. That's why in America, and only in America, i support concealed carry and an armed populace. It's simply too late to change anything.[/QUOTE] And I'm sorry, but allowing guns in countries outside of America hardly works. Like here.

[QUOTE=Megadave;45510588]Well, it's already in the Constitution so nothing to do there.[/QUOTE] Isn't there slavery in the constitution [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] Not that I'm arguing about guns here. American and Europe, while seemingly similar, have their differences. I don't think there's any point in an European arguing against gun laws in America. Or vice versa, for that matter.