[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37893473]What are you talking about Apple maps shows you cars
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Not for Afghanistan though, the best Apple have are fairly low res aerial images (or at least my iPhone never loaded anything higher)
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;37894092]Not for Afghanistan though, the best Apple have are fairly low res aerial images (or at least my iPhone never loaded anything higher)[/QUOTE]
I could for you see if I can get higher res images since I'm on an iPad 3
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37893156]How cool, I have an iPad 3 I guess when I can feel the need to get it I'll just scoop over some satellite images of Afghan.
Isn't Afghan pretty much all desert, what's the point?[/QUOTE]
Insurgents in Afghanistan have been using multimedia and social networking more and more to plan and plot strikes against military installations. An uncensored aerial shot of Bagram Airfield taken yesterday that shows where all the cargo planes are parked and stuff is like an open invitation to mortar the fuck out of it. Henceforth, bad idea.
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[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37893473]What are you talking about Apple maps shows you cars
[t]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mau297uNmx1rhptwbo1_1280.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
What the hell is going on in this picture? are those cars heightmapped?
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;37894494]Insurgents in Afghanistan have been using multimedia and social networking more and more to plan and plot strikes against military installations. An uncensored aerial shot of Bagram Airfield taken yesterday that shows where all the cargo planes are parked and stuff is like an open invitation to mortar the fuck out of it. Henceforth, bad idea.
[editline]3rd October 2012[/editline]
What the hell is going on in this picture? are those cars heightmapped?[/QUOTE]
Oh alright now I understand how much of a threat this could be
I don't really undertand the technology behind it cause I haven't really researched on it but I think Nokia has a similar feature that's better than apple maps 3D
Afghanistan isn't ALL desert. It is pretty mountainous. Around here it is surprisingly green.
[editline]3rd October 2012[/editline]
Also, the Apple Maps thing looks like someone tried to sculpt it out of clay and did a rather poor job.
I dont think its much risk at all, considering the images are likely very out of date and they probably already have insiders or microUAV's that can do the same thing.
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37894622]I dont think its much risk at all, considering the images are likely very out of date and they probably already have insiders or microUAV's that can do the same thing.[/QUOTE]
They used googlemaps for the June 1 attack with a 10,000 Kg truck bomb. Also, they aren't sophisticated enough to use micro UAVs, considering that we don't even use them here, not to mention we would be able to find the operator and kill him.
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But wait, there's more.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37894719]They used googlemaps for the June 1 attack with a 10,000 Kg truck bomb. Also, they aren't sophisticated enough to use micro UAVs, considering that we don't even use them here, not to mention we would be able to find the operator and kill him.[/QUOTE]
Is every single one of your posts about afganistan
[QUOTE=Burgervich;37894788]Is every single one of your posts about afganistan[/QUOTE]
Uh, previous discussion was about Afghanistan so he was continuing it.
[QUOTE=Burgervich;37894788]Is every single one of your posts about afganistan[/QUOTE]
No. But see here, this article is about applemaps being a security risk. I am just providing a first hand example of about how maps services can be a huge security risk if they don't censor their maps. Don't start this argument here, it has no place.
turkey should arrest all apple employees
come on turkey, greece is already beating you in arresting spies!
[QUOTE=zombojoe;37892321]This could be really useful for making ARMA maps, since you need to use satellite images to make them.[/QUOTE]
Arrest this man for espionage
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37894814]No. But see here, this article is about applemaps being a security risk. I am just providing a first hand example of about how maps services can be a huge security risk if they don't censor their maps. Don't start this argument here, it has no place.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I can agree that mapping services can be a security risk, but I feel like in the age of the internet, where information on pretty much anything is freely available to everyone, if you have a huge national security problem that can literally be seen from space, the maps aren't the problem.
If you have something that needs to be hidden so badly, put it underground, or stop doing things that need to be hidden from the world. This kind of thing annoys me so badly because when you get bad news, you don't kill the messenger, the messenger has nothing to do with it, it's the content of the message that upsets you.
The crew of Skylab took photographs of the Groom Lake complex ("Area 51") and its surrounding facilities, but nothing bad happened because of it. So seriously, censorship of information is NEVER a good thing, in any context ever.
[QUOTE=J Paul;37896541]Yeah I can agree that mapping services can be a security risk, but I feel like in the age of the internet, where information on pretty much anything is freely available to everyone, if you have a huge national security problem that can literally be seen from space, the maps aren't the problem.
If you have something that needs to be hidden so badly, put it underground, or stop doing things that need to be hidden from the world. This kind of thing annoys me so badly because when you get bad news, you don't kill the messenger, the messenger has nothing to do with it, it's the content of the message that upsets you.
The crew of Skylab took photographs of the Groom Lake complex ("Area 51") and its surrounding facilities, but nothing bad happened because of it. So seriously, censorship of information is NEVER a good thing, in any context ever.[/QUOTE]
I agree, although I don't feel that everything needs to be transparent, if the government really needs to hide something of high security value they need to do it in a complex underground; which they probably already do, we just don't know about it. Look at NORAD AKA: Crystal Palace; it's underground. The only major details you can see of it are the roads leading to it.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;37892321]This could be really useful for making ARMA maps, since you need to use satellite images to make them.[/QUOTE]
Really?
That's pretty cool.
Nokia maps look like ass.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;37892321]This could be really useful for making ARMA maps, since you need to use satellite images to make them.[/QUOTE]
Don't you need hight maps?
[QUOTE=J Paul;37896541]Yeah I can agree that mapping services can be a security risk, but I feel like in the age of the internet, where information on pretty much anything is freely available to everyone, if you have a huge national security problem that can literally be seen from space, the maps aren't the problem.
If you have something that needs to be hidden so badly, put it underground, or stop doing things that need to be hidden from the world. This kind of thing annoys me so badly because when you get bad news, you don't kill the messenger, the messenger has nothing to do with it, it's the content of the message that upsets you.
The crew of Skylab took photographs of the Groom Lake complex ("Area 51") and its surrounding facilities, but nothing bad happened because of it. So seriously, censorship of information is NEVER a good thing, in any context ever.[/QUOTE]
I am talking about them blurring out the layout of FOBs in combat zones. That stuff NEEDS to happen. People don't need to know what the FOBs look like.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37897322]I am talking about them blurring out the layout of FOBs in combat zones. That stuff NEEDS to happen. People don't need to know what the FOBs look like.[/QUOTE]
They've got completed zoomed quality imaging of the flight line here in Okinawa. Also with every other base. It's kind of disturbing knowing that anyone can just zoom in on the flight line and know every intricate detail about it.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37897322]I am talking about them blurring out the layout of FOBs in combat zones. That stuff NEEDS to happen. People don't need to know what the FOBs look like.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for clarifying, but I do know what you were referring to. My point was that the forward operating bases shouldn't be there in the first place. My "bury it underground" comment wasn't necessarily being serious, my real point was more that if you are doing something that you need to hide from the world, you probably shouldn't be doing that thing.
The only way the internet will cause true change in the world is if it remains an uncensored free exchange. When someone has to take into account that there will be published, detailed satellite imagery of all of your FOBs, then maybe that will influence the higher up decisions that cause there to be FOBs in the first place, just like how aerial photography and surveillance changed the way we fight wars.
I absolutely see your point that detailed public photos of FOBs endangers the lives of the people operating that base. It's demonstrable, there's evidence for it, etc, it can't be argued. However, I approach the issue from the perspective that having a FOB in the first place is what is actually endangering the lives, this is the root of the problem. That there are uncensored photos of them is a side-effect of them existing, but the true problem is that they exist at all, that is what is endangering lives.
And I mean keep in mind, we're talking about places where we're engaged in occupation, nation-building, and otherwise destabilizing the developing world. We're fighting guerrilla forces that wouldn't be there had we not funded them and placed them into power to fight the soviet union, it's this gross cycle where meddling begets meddling which begets more meddling, so I honestly feel we should just stop with the meddling in general.
[QUOTE=J Paul;37897864]Thanks for clarifying, but I do know what you were referring to. My point was that the forward operating bases shouldn't be there in the first place. My "bury it underground" comment wasn't necessarily being serious, my real point was more that if you are doing something that you need to hide from the world, you probably shouldn't be doing that thing.
The only way the internet will cause true change in the world is if it remains an uncensored free exchange. When someone has to take into account that there will be published, detailed satellite imagery of all of your FOBs, then maybe that will influence the higher up decisions that cause there to be FOBs in the first place, just like how aerial photography and surveillance changed the way we fight wars.
I absolutely see your point that detailed public photos of FOBs endangers the lives of the people operating that base. It's demonstrable, there's evidence for it, etc, it can't be argued. However, I approach the issue from the perspective that having a FOB in the first place is what is actually endangering the lives, this is the root of the problem. That there are uncensored photos of them is a side-effect of them existing, but the true problem is that they exist at all, that is what is endangering lives.
And I mean keep in mind, we're talking about places where we're engaged in occupation, nation-building, and otherwise destabilizing the developing world. We're fighting guerrilla forces that wouldn't be there had we not funded them and placed them into power to fight the soviet union, it's this gross cycle where meddling begets meddling which begets more meddling, so I honestly feel we should just stop with the meddling in general.[/QUOTE]
Thing is that we need these FOBs. There will always be FOBs in modern conflicts, there is no other way to fight on today's battlefield. I could talk about this all day, but let's just agree to head off a huge political debate on the merits of the war in Afghanistan from happening in this thread, please.
By the way, unless Apple has a team constantly looking over every square inch of the maps, they need info about what and what not to censor. Some stuff should have been obvious, sure, but they can't do jack shit until the government gives them locations to block out.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37898041]Thing is that we need these FOBs. There will always be FOBs in modern conflicts, there is no other way to fight on today's battlefield. I could talk about this all day, but let's just agree to head off a huge political debate on the merits of the war in Afghanistan from happening in this thread, please.[/QUOTE]
Of course foreign policy is a totally different argument, absolutely. Censorship is yet another.
[QUOTE=The freeman;37898112]By the way, unless Apple has a team constantly looking over every square inch of the maps, they need info about what and what not to censor. Some stuff should have been obvious, sure, but they can't do jack shit until the government gives them locations to block out.[/QUOTE]
Well that's why I mentioned the Skylab incident. They had specific instructions not to photograph just one location on the entire globe, and still ended up taking pictures of it and releasing them. So there needs to be some serious cooperation to enable any kind of censorship of something like this.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37893127]Oh shit, I hope they don't have pictures of Afghanistan, this shit is no joke.[/QUOTE]
Can you just get a big title that says "I'M IN THE ARMY"?
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;37892514]To be fair, though, Google never asked me if they could take pictures of my house, the surrounding area, and attempt to log onto my wifi network.[/QUOTE]
The outside view of your house is public. People are allowed to take pictures from the street, and I am pretty sure google blurs out faces.
Now if they were going in your backyard that would be a different story.
And yeah google trying to log into wifi wasn't very cool either.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;37892752]Stuff like the layout of prisions and military bases, hell from some images you could see shit like APCs or missile silos
that's kind of one of the reasons no-fly zones exist[/QUOTE]
YOU CAN'T ENFORCE ONE IN SPACE BITCHES
How about North Korea?
[QUOTE=Tuskin;37897080]Don't you need hight maps?[/QUOTE]
You gotta make them yourself or use a bunch of free Satellite data you can get from NASA.
Could someone with access to this apple maps try to get a closer look at this location? (North Korea)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/b3Thg.png[/IMG]
I recall it being featured in the news once, I'd also like to see if they take decent pictures of places that don't appear on the map.
A couple more images off of google images
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[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/uZXs0.jpg[/thumb]
Although, to be fair, buggerall shows in NK in google maps
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