Iran Finally Comes Clean with the World -- It Sponsors Terrorism
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[QUOTE=Devodiere;34596982]A thick-headed one, aren't you? Lest we loosen the term so everything from Syria to WW2 is terrorism, there needs to be a better definition of it.
Terrorism is the act of targeting civilians with acts of violence near indiscriminately for the purpose of causing panic and terror among the general civilian populace. Assassinating a scientist has the purpose of killing a scientist and hindering their progress in that regard. Killing random civilians in a country town serves no purpose other than belligerence and terror.[/QUOTE]
Just to point out something, remember when the "plot" to assassinate the Saudi ambassador was uncovered? An act that alone was almost universally labelled a terror plot? The term terrorism, if you want to use it in a case like that, you are going to have to use it here.
[url=http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30230.htm]Read this[/url]
[QUOTE=The one that is;34596914]honestly, why did we put the fucking Jews next to the fucking Muslims, AND give them the fucking land that's considered holy for the main world religions? How about we instead fucking give them somewhere else and establish the area as a neutral DMZ for religious peace. That'd solve every fucking problem we have.[/QUOTE]
I'm okay with this.
Let's put Israel in somewhere in the middle of fucking-nowhere, maybe they can get along with the ocean-life.
[QUOTE=teslacoil;34597169]I'm okay with this.
Let's put Israel in somewhere in the middle of fucking-nowhere, maybe they can get along with the ocean-life.[/QUOTE]
OR, not take my words out of context so much, just move them somewhere that they won't piss off their angry fellow radical religious neighbors. So... Well yeah I guess an island somewhere could work. But seriously, a religious DMZ neutral zone over the entire area would seriously fix ever problem over there about that.
Why the hell Iran and Arabs can't leave this tiny bit of mostly inhospitable desert - Israel - alone?
They already have huge masses of land from Atlantic to Indian ocean.
[QUOTE=The one that is;34597283]OR, not take my words out of context so much, just move them somewhere that they won't piss off their angry fellow radical religious neighbors. So... Well yeah I guess an island somewhere could work. But seriously, a religious DMZ neutral zone over the entire area would seriously fix ever problem over there about that.[/QUOTE]
It's so simple, eh? I wish. Fun to think about though.
[QUOTE=teslacoil;34597169]Let's put Israel in somewhere in the middle of fucking-nowhere, maybe they can get along with the ocean-life.[/QUOTE]
So, while we're being hypothetical, why does Israel have to be the ones that need to be moved into the middle of "fucking-nowhere"?
[QUOTE=nulle;34597303]Why the hell Iran and Arabs can't leave this tiny bit of mostly inhospitable desert - Israel - alone?
They already have huge masses of land from Atlantic to Indian ocean.[/QUOTE]
Because Israel won't leave them alone, see Palestine.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;34597320]It's so simple, eh? I wish. Fun to think about though.
So, while we're being hypothetical, why does Israel have to be the ones that need to be moved into the middle of "fucking-nowhere"?[/QUOTE]
Because Israel as a country did not exist until after WW2, presumably. It is also placed over where a hypothetical DMZ would be.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;34597167]Just to point out something, remember when the "plot" to assassinate the Saudi ambassador was uncovered? An act that alone was almost universally labelled a terror plot? The term terrorism, if you want to use it in a case like that, you are going to have to use it here.
[url=http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30230.htm]Read this[/url][/QUOTE]
A fair point, I would say however that indiscriminate is only one of the qualifiers. If someone were to indiscriminately start shooting at a conference of Iranian scientists, even that might not count.
Terror will be caused by any act of violence, it is only how violence goes. The biggest point behind the definition of terrorism is that it's primary purpose is to cause terror. While you could try and qualify it to a certain amount of terror, I'd say that terror being the primary motive is what qualifies it. Most Total War efforts such as Sherman's March to the Sea and the Battle of Britain do have an element of demoralising and terrorising the population, but while a strong motivator damaging infrastructure and the ability to fight are equally as important. I would say it is in some degree, but not enough to call it purely an act of terrorism.
Killing an ambassador in such a way accounts for the targeted element, but seems to have little purpose beyond the psychological one. While killing a scientist has the terror element, their motive seems to be more along causing them to lose a valuable scientist. I do agree that the term terrorism is used just as indiscriminately and should really be changed.
[QUOTE=nulle;34597303]Why the hell Iran and Arabs can't leave this tiny bit of mostly inhospitable desert - Israel - alone?
They already have huge masses of land from Atlantic to Indian ocean.[/QUOTE]
Ahem, may I introduce you to this thing called holy land. It's been designated that the area Israel occupies is holy for about every major world religion, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, you know.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;34597320]It's so simple, eh? I wish. Fun to think about though.
So, while we're being hypothetical, why does Israel have to be the ones that need to be moved into the middle of "fucking-nowhere"?[/QUOTE]
Because it occupies the middle of the damned hypothetical DMZ. Think of it like cancer, you can't just cut away all the tissue around the cancerous area, that won't fix the problem. If you remove the cancer everything's all happy.
[QUOTE=nulle;34597303]Why the hell Iran and Arabs can't leave this tiny bit of mostly inhospitable desert - Israel - alone?
They already have huge masses of land from Atlantic to Indian ocean.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_significance_of_Jerusalem[/url]
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wailing_Wall[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque[/url]
Relocating Palestinians to somewhere else in Arab lands and building a wall around Israel probably would have been much cheaper than 60+ years long war... :D
[QUOTE=The one that is;34597341]Ahem, may I introduce you to this thing called holy land. It's been designated that the area Israel occupies is holy for about every major world religion, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, you know.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know Mecca was in Israel, huh.
Also good to see things have gone back to the standard Israel shouldn't exist rhetoric, lot of quality posting here.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;34597376]I didn't know Mecca was in Israel, huh.
Also good to see things have gone back to the standard Israel shouldn't exist rhetoric, lot of quality posting here.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know Mecca was the only section of holy land to the Islamic religion, huh.
[quote]It is strongly associated with the Biblical prophets David, Solomon, Elijah and Jesus.
It was the first direction of prayer in Islam, before the Kaaba in Mecca;
According to the Quran Muhammad was taken by the miraculous steed Buraq to visit Jerusalem, where he prayed, and was then taken to heaven, in a single night in the year 620 This event is known as Isra wal Mi'raj, in Islamic tradition.
Prophet Muhammad's journey to Jerusalem is mentioned in the Qur'an, verse (17:1) [/quote]
here's a quick wikipedia result if you really are so dense: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_significance_of_Jerusalem[/url]
[QUOTE=Devodiere;34597376]I didn't know Mecca was in Israel, huh.
Also good to see things have gone back to the standard Israel shouldn't exist rhetoric, lot of quality posting here.[/QUOTE]
[quote][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_significance_of_Jerusalem[/url]
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wailing_Wall[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque[/url][/quote]
how do i informed post
[QUOTE=Sickle;34597529]how do i informed post[/QUOTE]
I'd never think that I could ever really argue the same point as you, you're probably the most left wing radical poster I've ever seen, but here I am in agreement, the hell is going on, did one side of this political shit fest finally gain a few IQ points? Thank god. I have a new found respect for you Sickle, thank you.
Tensions really are rising pretty high in the Middle East atm.
I mean, why else would Iran publicly say something most governments already know unless they wanted some political capital out of this?
[QUOTE=The one that is;34597557]I'd never think that I could ever really argue the same point as you, you're probably the most left wing radical poster I've ever seen, but here I am in agreement, the hell is going on, did one side of this political shit fest finally gain a few IQ points? Thank god. I have a new found respect for you Sickle, thank you.[/QUOTE]
Likewise.
Here we go!
[video=youtube;Jffuzq2GpBI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jffuzq2GpBI[/video]
You guys are fairly familiar with the fact that I've tried to keep a positive mentality about all of this, and that nothings going to happen, right?
I think I've lost that mentality now. I'm legitimately worried about how fast this situation is degrading, and if something isn't done quickly to address the concerns of all parties involved, I can see this quickly escalating to something [b]NOBODY[/b] wants to see.
[editline]8th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=magicman1234;34597610]Here we go!
[video=youtube;Jffuzq2GpBI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jffuzq2GpBI[/video][/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE=magicman1234;34597610]Here we go!
[video=youtube;Jffuzq2GpBI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jffuzq2GpBI[/video][/QUOTE]
I think we should just nuke you instead. Seriously, a nuclear device is the last fucking resort if it's needed, that shit fucks up everyone. And it's only been justified as far as I see once, and that was Japan where we were predicting so many more casualties on both sides than the nuclear blast and fallout would cause. I guess my argument can draw support from the fact that we've only ever used a nuclear weapon once in history anyway.
In other news, I actually submitted my hypothetical solution the the U.S government, so with any hope someone important reads it.
[QUOTE=magicman1234;34597610]Here we go!
[video=youtube;Jffuzq2GpBI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jffuzq2GpBI[/video][/QUOTE]
Nothings going to happen as extreme as that, imagine the consequences of the radiation/EM byproduct.
[QUOTE=The one that is;34597513]I didn't know Mecca was the only section of holy land to the Islamic religion, huh.
here's a quick wikipedia result if you really are so dense: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_significance_of_Jerusalem[/url][/QUOTE]
It's rather annoying when this happens, jokes get taken seriously. No, I'm not that dense, I just thought that despite it being considered Holy, that's not really one of the big issues. It gets a few Pilgrims but no-one really goes for the trifecta Hajj and nationalistic and sectarian sentiments are the main issues.
Still, most Pilgrims go to Mecca not just because Jerusalem is under Israeli control, but because it's a much more secondary site. Aside from the fringe they're a lot more secular now than they were in the 12th century and the religious significance isn't a big deal, especially compared to what else there is.
You walk into your house to see your neighbor vigorously fucking your dog. You watch in horror and call out
"Dude stop fucking my dog!"
"I'm not fucking your dog! Seriously I'm not!"
"Dude I can see you fucking stop!"
You leave the room in disgust, and a few minutes later your neighbor walks in.
"Dude, I gotta get this off my chest but... I fucked your dog. And I'm probably going to fuck your dog again."
"..."
They need to watch what they say and do or else they're going to regret it from first world countries.
iran doesn't support terrorists you dickfucks
they're standing against israel, which they have every right to do because we just kind of plopped the whole displaced jewish population in there after world war 2
this article is better titled "iran finally admits to being mad that we put israel right next to them"
So if I threw rocks at Israeli soil, Iran would fund said rocks? I like where this is going...
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;34598027]They need to watch what they say and do or else they're going to regret it from first world countries.[/QUOTE]
At this point unless there's some serious diplomatic bargaining and cooling off with Israel by the US then Iran is going to see a very powerful enemy in Israel invading their country, with assistance from the US as well.
So the only thing they can really do is puff up and try and seem threatening or just roll over and wait for the inevitable. I don't blame them in the slightest for flipping their shits this past half-year.
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