Iran Finally Comes Clean with the World -- It Sponsors Terrorism
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[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;34598360]At this point unless there's some serious diplomatic bargaining and cooling off with Israel by the US then Iran is going to see a very powerful enemy in Israel invading their country, with assistance from the US as well.
So the only thing they can really do is puff up and try and seem threatening or just roll over and wait for the inevitable. I don't blame them in the slightest for flipping their shits this past half-year.[/QUOTE]
If the US doesn't tag along, Israel will be annihilated. EVERYONE there wants that holy land.
[QUOTE=Spooter;34597934]You walk into your house to see your neighbor vigorously fucking your dog. You watch in horror and call out
"Dude stop fucking my dog!"
"I'm not fucking your dog! Seriously I'm not!"
"Dude I can see you fucking stop!"
You leave the room in disgust, and a few minutes later your neighbor walks in.
"Dude, I gotta get this off my chest but... I fucked your dog. And I'm probably going to fuck your dog again."
"..."[/QUOTE]
symbolism~
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34591366]A foreign super power invades your western neighbor and your eastern neighbor and now calls for economic sanctions against you while staunchly supporting a country that you share mutual hatred for, I think I would be pretty pissy too.[/QUOTE]
Iran was perfectly stable and peace loving before this happened
[QUOTE=SystemGS;34598237]iran doesn't support terrorists you dickfucks
they're standing against israel, which they have every right to do because we just kind of plopped the whole displaced jewish population in there after world war 2
this article is better titled "iran finally admits to being mad that we put israel right next to them"[/QUOTE]
Holy shit
There were Jews in the British Mandate of Palestine long before World War II, just as there were Jews in the Ottoman controlled province before it and there have been since Palestina and the days of Abraham
Israel is 1000 miles away from Iran
Open a fucking map
The Jewish population chose to relocate to Israel many years before World War II, it took the atrocities to force such a large exodus but it had been coming for a long, long time. It was a state created by the UN, the only body that has the right to make decisions like this according to basically the entire world, and holy shit why am I even trying to argue with you, you don't even know where Iran is
[QUOTE=Sickle;34598523]If the US doesn't tag along, Israel will be annihilated. EVERYONE there wants that holy land.[/QUOTE]
You mean the Nuclear armed state that has made similar moves in the past? Israel held up pretty well when they bombed the Iraqi nuclear facilities, and weathered the Six Day and Yom-Kippur Wars about as well as one could ask them to. Most of their neighbors are dealing with armed revolutions at the moment as well
Iran's been fucked up since the revolution, it's only started escalating and coming to focus recently.
It's curious how leaders in the Middle East treat the issue. Saddam had the freedom of the Palestinian people or something like that on his agenda during the Gulf war, Iran is using it to get a lot of influence by being the only one to champion the cause nowadays, before Mubarak and the peace Egypt played a big role and got support for it. Shows how calls for violence can have a big impact.
[QUOTE=shian;34590904][release]
COMMENTARY | So, it's finally official: Iran is a state-sponsor of terrorism. The word came from the mouth of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei on Friday when he categorically announced Iran would sponsor anyone -- anywhere -- that would work against Israel.
Khamenei also admitted to helping attack Israel through third parties, something Iran officially downplays or denies, the Associated Press reported. "From now on, in any place, if any nation or any group confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear expressing this," Khamenei told followers during morning prayers.
Iran has the role of aggressor down pretty well. If it isn't spewing threats against the West on a daily basis, it is saber rattling in the Persian Gulf. Now its religious leader -- the ultimate voice on all matters in Iran -- has confirmed what Israel has been warning about for decades. It is words such as these that should inspire the civilized world to react and may, for all intents and purposes, be the final straw for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
I have always said the Israelis will act when they feel truly threatened. When - not if **-- that moment occurs, they will act will full effect. Israel has the capabilities and the will to act alone in handling what it considers to be an existential threat. U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Friday that Israel has been making contingency plans for such an attack and any accompanying retaliation, Reuters reported.
I am certainly not a warmonger, but I am very much a realist when it comes to Iran. That country is not going to stop until it forces the hand of the U.S. or Israel or a combination of both. The inflammatory rhetoric doesn't cease and that can only lead to one ultimate resolution. For the past 30 years the tension has, at times, been palpable been the two nations, but never led to military confrontation.
I'm not sure that is the case this time. The Western powers are not going to allow Iran to possess nuclear weapons capabilities. Since Iran continues researching and developing launch systems, the clock is ticking on how long the West will wait before launching a preemptive assault.[/release]
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/iran-finally-comes-clean-world-sponsors-terrorism-184700774.html[/url]
At least they're honest.[/QUOTE]
I'm Glad they said it. Now I don't have this lingering thought of "Yeah, Right" in my mind from past experiences of governments just saying bullshit for their agendas against the country. But it's no big deal, really. It's not like they said we sponsor terrorism. They said they're for anyone that's against Israel. Well just about every country has sponsored some sort of terroristic plot against another
[QUOTE=SystemGS;34598237]iran doesn't support terrorists you dickfucks
they're standing against israel, which they have every right to do because we just kind of plopped the whole displaced jewish population in there after world war 2
this article is better titled "iran finally admits to being mad that we put israel right next to them"[/QUOTE]
You could almost fit Texas between Iran and Israel. Please go look at a map.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;34599301]Iran's been fucked up since the revolution, it's only started escalating and coming to focus recently.
It's curious how leaders in the Middle East treat the issue. Saddam had the freedom of the Palestinian people or something like that on his agenda during the Gulf war, Iran is using it to get a lot of influence by being the only one to champion the cause nowadays, before Mubarak and the peace Egypt played a big role and got support for it. Shows how calls for violence can have a big impact.[/QUOTE]
Iran's been fucked since the Sassanid empire collapsed. It's just been varying levels of fucked. They weren't sitting pretty under the yoke of the Ottomans, Nazis, Soviets, British, or Americans, and they're not doing great under their own.
Its funny that everyone sees the Wests pursuit of world democracy as a farce to establish Western influence, but takes the cause of Free Palestine at face value. Do we really believe the movers and shakers in Qatar, the UAE, Iran, Syria, etc. truly care about the Palestinians? Or are they just exercising power to curb Western influence?
Not one government does things for the good of humanity. It's just that when a government does do something for its own interest, it can have beneficial effects for humanity. Stop being shocked when this is proven every single time a war or crackdown begins.
[QUOTE=SystemGS;34598237]iran doesn't support terrorists you dickfucks
they're standing against israel, which they have every right to do because we just kind of plopped the whole displaced jewish population in there after world war 2
this article is better titled "iran finally admits to being mad that we put israel right next to them"[/QUOTE]
Of course they do you fellow [I]dickfuck[/I], they've been proven time and time again by checks in the Iranian bank system to support groups such as Hamas. Quit being such a six-year old and talk like a real man. Real men don't throw swear words at eachother to support their arguments. You don't even logically support your argument.
[QUOTE=SystemGS;34598237]iran doesn't support terrorists you dickfucks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Khamenei also admitted to helping attack Israel through third parties[/QUOTE]
Wrong
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they're standing against israel, which they have every right to do because we just kind of plopped the whole displaced jewish population in there after world war 2[/QUOTE]
Palestine != Iran
Wrong
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this article is better titled "iran finally admits to being mad that we put israel right next to them"[/QUOTE]
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Aaaand Wrong.
Three strikes, you have no idea what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;34599405]Iran's been fucked since the Sassanid empire collapsed. It's just been varying levels of fucked. They weren't sitting pretty under the yoke of the Ottomans, Nazis, Soviets, British, or Americans, and they're not doing great under their own.
Its funny that everyone sees the Wests pursuit of world democracy as a farce to establish Western influence, but takes the cause of Free Palestine at face value. Do we really believe the movers and shakers in Qatar, the UAE, Iran, Syria, etc. truly care about the Palestinians? Or are they just exercising power to curb Western influence?
Not one government does things for the good of humanity. It's just that when a government does do something for its own interest, it can have beneficial effects for humanity. Stop being shocked when this is proven every single time a war or crackdown begins.[/QUOTE]
True, I was talking more along the lines of conflict with the west. They've been about as stable as a Theocratic dictatorship can get and as peaceful as you can be while sponsoring terrorism.
I wasn't talking as if they really cared, they just use it as a hot topic to rally support to themselves. No-one likes Iran, and even fewer would like them if they weren't the only ones in the world actively fighting Israel. I'd think they care about them a little bit, or at the very least dislike Israel more than a little.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34591366]A foreign super power invades your western neighbor and your eastern neighbor and now calls for economic sanctions against you while staunchly supporting a country that you share mutual hatred for, I think I would be pretty pissy too.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention helped your western neighbour wage war on you.
This sucks ass. We get out of Iraq, only to probably to right back over there into Iran. We'll never be out of that barren wasteland...
[QUOTE=faze;34602477]This sucks ass. We get out of Iraq, only to probably to right back over there into Iran. We'll never be out of that barren wasteland...[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Lerik_Azerbaijan_03.JPG/300px-Lerik_Azerbaijan_03.JPG[/IMG]
Barren wasteland eh
[QUOTE=faze;34602477]This sucks ass. We get out of Iraq, only to probably to right back over there into Iran. We'll never be out of that barren wasteland...[/QUOTE]
Except that it's not a barren wasteland? It's a region as geographically proper as any other, with people just as human as any other.
[QUOTE=The one that is;34597674]I think we should just nuke you instead. Seriously, a nuclear device is the last fucking resort if it's needed, that shit fucks up everyone. And it's only been justified as far as I see once, and that was Japan where we were predicting so many more casualties on both sides than the nuclear blast and fallout would cause. I guess my argument can draw support from the fact that we've only ever used a nuclear weapon once in history anyway.
In other news, I actually submitted my hypothetical solution the the U.S government, so with any hope someone important reads it.[/QUOTE]
Don't be silly. The only reason it was justified was because we won.
Also, we used two.
[QUOTE=SystemGS;34598237]iran doesn't support terrorists you dickfucks
they're standing against israel, which they have every right to do because we just kind of plopped the whole displaced jewish population in there after world war 2
this article is better titled "iran finally admits to being mad that we put israel right next to them"[/QUOTE]
Wrong. There were no native claims to the land Israel was placed on. The only indigenous tribe in the area were the Jews. Basically, the world decided the jewish people needed a home and put up a country for them on, get this: THEIR HOMELAND.
And as previously mentioned they're not right next to each other.
The levels of sensationalism in this whole section just skyrocketed.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;34602727]Wrong. [B]There were no native claims[/B] to the land Israel was placed on. The only indigenous tribe in the area were the Jews. Basically, the world decided the jewish people needed a home and put up a country for them on, get this: THEIR HOMELAND.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. The Jews only had legal claim to 5.8% of the land while the Palestinians 94.22%
[quote]The only indigenous tribe in the area were the Jews[/quote]
Wrong again.
[table]
[tr]
[th][b]Year[/b][/th]
[th][b]Non-Jewish Palestinians[/b][/th]
[th][b]Jewish Population[/b][/th]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1877[/td]
[td]426,908
(97%)[/td]
[td]13,942
(3%)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1912[/td]
[td]665,840
(95%)[/td]
[td]36,267
(5%)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1925[/td]
[td]
780,568
(85%)[/td]
[td]137,484
(15%)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1946[/td]
[td]1,339,763
(69%)[/td]
[td]602,586
(31%)[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
Source: McCarthy, Justin, The Population of Palestine, Columbia University Press: New York, 1990, pp. 10, 35.
[editline]8th February 2012[/editline]
And cut it out with the "its their homeland!" crap, it hasn't been Jewish since the 1500s and even then, the Jews prior to that expelled the original inhabitants and then declared it [I]their[/I] homeland. If you're still going to use the "but they lived there half a millennium ago" argument, then nearly every single ethnicity has claim to most parts of the world.
There were waves of jewish immagration to israel even when it was owned by the ottomans and the land they settled was crap swampland they bought from the arabs.
[quote]Haven't we bought most of their lands or something?[/QUOTE]
No. What do you think the uproar over the partition plan was for?
[QUOTE=Retardation;34602986]Jews lived in Israel with the Palestinians for centuries.[/quote]Not relevant. The amount of Jews that lived with the Palestinians was extremely miniscule, in fact, there was more non-Jews/non-Muslims than Jews that lived with the Palestinians 'for centuries' [quote]it's just that after WW2 Israel had a surge of qualified and skilled Jewish workers which then in turn decided to transform this country from a barren, swampy wasteland to an regional grand power - and they did.
Israel was nothing more than a shitty mud village prior to 1947-8. It's nobodies homeland[/quote] Not sure how you could say that with straight face after the statistics I posted. The vast difference in land ownership and population is a clear indicator of "who's homeland it was"
Even by your Zionist hero, Ben-Gurion, the founder of Israel, by his own admission in his book
[img]http://i.imgur.com/kvpr9.jpg[/img]
He states that the Jews made up 12% of the total Palestinian population as of 1914. It's not only that the majority of the Jews in Palestine were not Zionists (by Ben-Gurion's own admission), but they were also not even citizens of the country since many had recently fled anti-Semitic Tsarist Russia.
Also, Mr. Gurion stated in an article published in 1918 that:
[release]"Palestine is not an empty country . . . on no account must we injure the rights of the inhabitants." [/release]
Furthermore, the fact that it was the Palestinians homeland was further reaffirmed soon after the first Zionist Congress in Basel. In 1897, a Zionist delegation was sent to Palestine for a fact finding mission, and to explore the viability of settling Palestine with persecuted European Jews. The delegation replied back from Palestine with a cable that stated:
[release]"The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man." (Iron Wall, p. 3) [/release]
I'm sure the Zionist Congress and the founder of Israel's own admission serves as a sufficient source for you, with regards to its previous habitancy.
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[QUOTE=Sovietzek;34603129]There were waves of jewish immagration to israel even when it was owned by the ottomans and the land they settled was crap swampland they bought from the arabs.[/QUOTE]Which was 5% of the land. And then suddenly, thanks to the Partition Plan they got 56% of Palestine, the majority of it, despite being a minority of Palestine.
Arabs have always reiterated that it was rejected because it was unfair: it gave the majority of the land to the Jews, who at that stage legally owned around 6 percent of it, and remained a minority of the population. The Arabs called for a Partition Plan that respected the current land ownership.
meanwhile australia is like wtf...
[QUOTE=Retardation;34603686]I kind of meant to say that Jews and Palestinians have lived together in moderate peace and even as far as friendship in a handful of villages - prior to the whole British involvement and 'Israeli state' shenanigans[/quote]I see, yes, this is correct.
[quote]I posted before reading your posts - and I do admit that I had no idea the numbers were that uneven. Mind posting the source to that '5% - 95% land ownership' thing you mentioned?
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[I]A Survey of Palestine[/I] prepared by the British Mandate for the UN, p. 566. Here's a scan:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/uJVjg.jpg[/img]
[quote]Chaim Weizmann said the same thing, dont see how it's really relevant. [/quote] The leading authority on Zionism contradicting your claim is not relevant?
[quote]So wait, you're saying that even though so many people were against the creation of an Israeli state, the League of Nations - later the UN, and the British empire were still convinced that it was rightfully a Jewish state, even after examining historical and statistical data in the region? Im fairly certain that unless the LoN and BE were filled with gullible morons - there has to be another reason why they thought it was a good idea to found a Jewish state when we were clearly the lesser demographic in the region and have been for ages.[/QUOTE]Zionists acknowledging that Palestine was already occupied by people doesn't mean anything remotely against the creation of the Israeli state - think of it merely being an obstacle highlighted to the Jewish State. An obstacle that was to be overcome. In the words of the founder of the Israeli Right, (Ze'ev Jabotinsky)[release] " ... the tragedy lies in the fact the there is a collision here between two truths .... [B]but our justice is greater[/B]. The Arab is culturally backward, but his instinctive patriotism is just as pure and noble as our own; it cannot be bought, it can only be curbed ... [B]force majeure[/B]." (Righteous Victims, p. 108)[/release]
[quote]even after examining historical and statistical data in the region?[/quote]
Yup, hence the uproar. The thing is, you have to look at it from the context back then, the genocide against the Jews in Europe were more than likely the reason of such data being overlooked.
why can't everyone just leave everyone alone
[QUOTE=Jasun;34604184]why can't everyone just leave everyone alone[/QUOTE]
Because that isn't how it works.
Israel scares the living shit out of me. Samson Option. Batshit insane Zionists with nukes...
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34597626]I can see this quickly escalating to something [b]NOBODY[/b] wants to see.
[/QUOTE]
I want to see it.
[editline]8th February 2012[/editline]
Israel VS Iran: Two power-playing arseholes removed from the scene.
[QUOTE=Bawbag;34604821]I want to see it.
[editline]8th February 2012[/editline]
Israel VS Iran: Two power-playing arseholes removed from the scene.[/QUOTE]
Israel has nukes, and they have this thing called the Samson Option. If you know your biblical stories, you'll know that a guy named Samson was captured. Anyway, they had him in a temple. He brought down the temple with his own strength, killing he and everyone else inside.
Basically, if Israel goes down, they're going to bring all of us down with them. That's assuming that they do have nukes (which intelligence suggests...) and that they intend to stand by the Samson Option.
A war between the two would be bad. For everyone.
[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;34604882]Israel has nukes, and they have this thing called the Samson Option. If you know your biblical stories, you'll know that a guy named Samson was captured. Anyway, they had him in a temple. He brought down the temple with his own strength, killing he and everyone else inside.
Basically, if Israel goes down, they're going to bring all of us down with them. That's assuming that they do have nukes (which intelligence suggests...) and that they intend to stand by the Samson Option.
A war between the two would be bad. For everyone.[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt they're willing to blow up their own holy land just to get back at Iran.
[editline]8th February 2012[/editline]
Plus, the nuclear fallout won't kill us all. It'll just make things harder for a few years while a cleanup is done.
How is that being a terrorist. We support any nation that opposes Iran, we're terrorists!
[QUOTE=hegrec;34605256]How is that being a terrorist. We support any nation that opposes Iran, we're terrorists![/QUOTE]
Because OP certainly has his own strong opinions.
I hate how the first page is filled with people taking the thread title at face value without actually reading.
Edit: It's actually quite hypocritical. The US supported Muhijadeen fighting against the soviets with guns, cash and training during the soviet invasion of afghanistan. To make it even better nowadays the successors and remnants of muhijadeen are the people whom we call terrorists.
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