Hamas forced to take on counterterrorist position against Isis influence in Gaza - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Svinnik;47905837] Why would western governments make up Al Qaeda, esp considering their 1995 and 2001 attacks on the Twin Towers?[/QUOTE] Uhm, ever heard of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War"]USSR-Afghan War[/URL]? [t]http://i.imgur.com/qdCuOIk.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=kattolil;47906760]No I was always referring to The power of nightmares, the guy says no thanks to watching that, not Loose Change, seeing as he [b]already saw it[/b]. Try reading the posts. About the shady stuff, the only thing I was going for is that governments hides stuff, nothing else. You are the one projecting the 9/11 into it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Levelog;47906060]No thanks, I already watched loose change. That's about all the conspiracy documentary I can take for this lifetime.[/QUOTE] He never watched the movie you're talking about, and then you went on about the movie you were on while we all thought you were talking about something else.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47906850]He never watched the movie you're talking about, and then you went on about the movie you were on while we all thought you were talking about something else.[/QUOTE] He literally says no thanks to The power of nightmares because Loose Change turned him off. How thick are you? I'm pretty sure you are the only person in this thread thinking the argument is about Loose Change, when it was only used as a reference as to why the poster wouldn't watch The power of nightmares. [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/JeEVE5.png[/img]

[QUOTE=kattolil;47906868]He literally says no thanks to The power of nightmares because Loose Change turned him off. How thick are you? [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/JeEVE5.png[/img][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=kattolil;47906549]Pretty sad to see people shrugging off [b]documentaries[/b] as "Conspiracy tinfoil" stuff. I'm sorry something challenges your worldview so much you decide to ignore it.[/QUOTE] You don't mention which fucking documentary, you just go on about in general. For all I knew you WERE talking about his watching of Loose Change and why he inferred it as bullshit.

[QUOTE=kattolil;47906868]He literally says no thanks to The power of nightmares because Loose Change turned him off. How thick are you? I'm pretty sure you are the only person in this thread thinking the argument is about Loose Change, when[B] it was only used as a reference as to why the poster wouldn't watch The power of nightmares[/B]. [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/JeEVE5.png[/img][/QUOTE] This is right.

[QUOTE=cucumber;47906782]Uhm, ever heard of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War"]USSR-Afghan War[/URL]? [t]http://i.imgur.com/qdCuOIk.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] um Osama Bin Laden only developed his anti american stance after the Gulf War because he felt that US troops shouldn't be stationed in Saudi Arabia. He saw it as a sort of fifth crusade

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47906887]You don't mention which fucking documentary, you just go on about in general. For all I knew you WERE talking about his watching of Loose Change and why he inferred it as bullshit.[/QUOTE] Isn't it fucking obvious based on what I quoted? "I dont want to watch this due to A" "It's sad you don't want to watch it" Jesus christ.

[QUOTE=kattolil;47906902]Isn't it fucking obvious based on what I quoted? "I dont want to watch this due to A" "It's sad you don't want to watch it" Jesus christ.[/QUOTE] Well I'm sorry I got fucking confused. It wasn't "fucking obvious". Especially when you answered my reply as to why Loose Change was bullshit. [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47906612]Because the first clue that it's bullshit is that they base their analysis of the architectural failure of the twin towers to someone who has no architectural background.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=kattolil;47906650]At least this a legit reason rather than "Smells like tinfoil"[/QUOTE] You also have to understand by directly responding to my post, which was about Loose Change, I honestly thought we were on the same subject.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47906927]Well I'm sorry I got fucking confused. It wasn't "fucking obvious".[/QUOTE] Fair enough.

[QUOTE=amorax;47905923]Are you kidding? Because of the NSA obviously. How are they supposed to justify further surveillance?[/QUOTE] 9/11 was an inside job by the jews because they need to justify that the holocaust never happened. Seriously though, stop with the tin-foil hat conspiracy theories.

Well this thread brought out the best FP has to offer

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;47907774]Well this thread brought out the best FP has to offer[/QUOTE] Indeed, well contributed sir.

[QUOTE=kattolil;47908348]Indeed, well contributed sir.[/QUOTE] He's right. The age of some of the posters are beginning to show as well. People who keep going "HURR DURR MUJAHADEEN BECAME THE TERRORISTS THAT AMERICA FIGHTS TODAY" seem to conveniently forget about the people America actually supported. After the ideological split, most of the people America directly supported ended up becoming the Northern Alliance and not the Taliban. If half of the people in here can even remember the era before 9/11 they'd know that the Northern Alliance eventually assisted the American invasion of Afghanistan and many of them joined the Afghani government that exists today. Some of the Pakistani ISI trained guys on the other hand went ahead and became the Taliban including Bin Laden. Does anyone even remember who Ahmad Massoud is anymore??

We should let them duke it out, then send in a few troops to clean up whichever wounded party wins. Suddenly, religious extremism in the Middle East declines by 80%.

[QUOTE=galenmarek;47908469]He's right. The age of some of the posters are beginning to show as well. People who keep going "HURR DURR MUJAHADEEN BECAME THE TERRORISTS THAT AMERICA FIGHTS TODAY" seem to conveniently forget about the people America actually supported. After the ideological split, most of the people America directly supported ended up becoming the Northern Alliance and not the Taliban. If half of the people in here can even remember the era before 9/11 they'd know that the Northern Alliance eventually assisted the American invasion of Afghanistan and many of them joined the Afghani government that exists today. Some of the Pakistani ISI trained guys on the other hand went ahead and became the Taliban including Bin Laden. Does anyone even remember who Ahmad Massoud is anymore??[/QUOTE] yeah most the people who question the events we see on TV today and these terrorist attacks like on sep11 tend to be 22 and older,they were more aware around when these events took place that lead to all this shit we see today.

[QUOTE=Monkah;47908623]We should let them duke it out, then send in a few troops to clean up whichever wounded party wins. Suddenly, religious extremism in the Middle East declines by 80%.[/QUOTE] Untill the next generation grows up pissed off and ready for another bout.

[QUOTE=amorax;47905923]Are you kidding? Because of the NSA obviously. How are they supposed to justify further surveillance?[/QUOTE] I think all the aluminium foil on your head is approaching a point where the gravitational force on it is enough for it to commence fusion into heavier elements. [editline]9th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=galenmarek;47908469]He's right. The age of some of the posters are beginning to show as well. People who keep going "HURR DURR MUJAHADEEN BECAME THE TERRORISTS THAT AMERICA FIGHTS TODAY" seem to conveniently forget about the people America actually supported. After the ideological split, most of the people America directly supported ended up becoming the Northern Alliance and not the Taliban. If half of the people in here can even remember the era before 9/11 they'd know that the Northern Alliance eventually assisted the American invasion of Afghanistan and many of them joined the Afghani government that exists today. Some of the Pakistani ISI trained guys on the other hand went ahead and became the Taliban including Bin Laden. Does anyone even remember who Ahmad Massoud is anymore??[/QUOTE] But, I need to be ANGRY about THING, if I can't be ANGRY and blame the BIG, BAD, EVIL GOVERNMENT, then how will I continue to justify my ANARCHIST REBEL lifestyle by which I use my pretentious, dogmatic rhetoric to label others as intellectual inferiors? [editline]9th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Monkah;47908623]We should let them duke it out, then send in a few troops to clean up whichever wounded party wins. Suddenly, religious extremism in the Middle East declines by 80%.[/QUOTE] What a great idea, did you get the order signed in triplicate from the desk of the Grand Inquisitor him self?

[QUOTE=kattolil;47906549]Pretty sad to see people shrugging off documentaries as "Conspiracy tinfoil" stuff. I'm sorry something challenges your worldview so much you decide to ignore it.[/QUOTE] it's as much a documentary as ancient aliens a bunch of shit on loose change was proven false as well by people that actually know their shit like engineers hell its where the whole, "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" shit came from

And because things weren't batshit enough: Now [URL="http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Hamas-Senior-PA-officials-behind-recent-spate-of-bombings-in-Gaza-405590"]Hamas is accusing the PA[/URL] of being behind the bombings in Gaza. [QUOTE]Hamas Interior Ministry spokeman Iyad al-Bezem said at a press conference in Gaza that PA intelligence officials, as well as Mahmoud al-Habash, an adviser to PA President Mahmoud Abbas are behind the efforts to send the Strip into a "spiral of chaos."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Hamas had previously accused members of Fatah of being behind bombings which targeted security installations and figures in the Gaza Strip, [B]denying that Salafi jihadists who are affiliated with the Islamic State terrorist group were linked to the bombings[/B]. The embattled leadership of Gaza has also had to contend in recent weeks with Salafi jihadist groups who have fired rockets at Israel in order to bring about Israeli retaliatory strikes against Hamas targets.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;47921801]And because things weren't batshit enough: Now [URL="http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Hamas-Senior-PA-officials-behind-recent-spate-of-bombings-in-Gaza-405590"]Hamas is accusing the PA[/URL] of being behind the bombings in Gaza.[/QUOTE] wat Didn't the PA and Hamas form a government together around a year ago or something like that? I'm sure it's not as bad as I remember it sounding though.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;47921810]wat Didn't the PA and Hamas form a government together around a year ago or something like that? I'm sure it's not as bad as I remember it sounding though.[/QUOTE] Palestinian unity apparently [URL="https://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/one-palestinians-await-national-reconciliation-101218939.html"]hasn't worked out[/URL] that well so far.

[QUOTE=amorax;47905923]Are you kidding? Because of the NSA obviously. How are they supposed to justify further surveillance?[/QUOTE] I always love conspiracy nuts like you. You seriously believe that a government that can barely organise its own budget (actually... can't), and limps from crisis to crisis, is capable of staging something as well orchestrated as feigning the attacks on the Twin Towers to both start wars abroad and implement draconian surveillance abroad and at home, rather than simply opportunistically using said events. You ascribe governments WAY too much competence, mate. [QUOTE=Electrocuter;47914756]it's as much a documentary as ancient aliens [b]a bunch of shit on loose change was proven false as well by people that actually know their shit like engineers hell its where the whole, "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" shit came from[/b][/QUOTE] This particular nugget of idiocy is so pernicious that my Dad (A lecturer in Civil Engineering) has actually started working into his lectures the mechanism of the collapse of the Twin Towers, albeit he doesn't reference it directly. (Steel Structures, such as the skeletons of Skyscrapers, are his speciality). He got fed up of idiot first years saying that it was an inside job because planes couldn't possibly cause the collapse of the towers.

Oh cool, it's like those CS maps where both teams are terrorists.

"The embattled leadership of Gaza has also had to contend in recent weeks with Salafi jihadist groups who have fired rockets at Israel in order to bring about Israeli retaliatory strikes against Hamas targets." This worked well, Hamas got bombed right after they told Israel that Jihadists has launched rockets, and claimed innocence. There of course is a possibility that Hamas launched the rockets and then claimed to be innocent, something they have done before. Hamas isn't exactly the most truthful group out there... There are other possibilities that the Israelis bombed Hamas anyway, or that they still think ISIS is no threat to Israel. This isn't the first time Israel has bombed forced fighting ISIS either. They bombed Hezbollah last year after they supposedly fired rockets into Israel. Hezbollah claimed ISIS had done it to get Israel to strike Hezbollah, and just like in this case, it worked.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;47922515]I always love conspiracy nuts like you. You seriously believe that a government that can barely organise its own budget (actually... can't), and limps from crisis to crisis, is capable of staging something as well orchestrated as feigning the attacks on the Twin Towers to both start wars abroad and implement draconian surveillance abroad and at home, rather than simply opportunistically using said events. You ascribe governments WAY too much competence, mate. [/QUOTE] What if the governments are just feigning incompetence to lull us into a false sense of security [I]mannnnnn?[/I] :tinfoil:

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;47922945]"The embattled leadership of Gaza has also had to contend in recent weeks with Salafi jihadist groups who have fired rockets at Israel in order to bring about Israeli retaliatory strikes against Hamas targets." This worked well, Hamas got bombed right after they told Israel that Jihadists has launched rockets, and claimed innocence. There of course is a possibility that Hamas launched the rockets and then claimed to be innocent, something they have done before. Hamas isn't exactly the most truthful group out there... There are other possibilities that the Israelis bombed Hamas anyway, or that they still think ISIS is no threat to Israel. This isn't the first time Israel has bombed forced fighting ISIS either. They bombed Hezbollah last year after they supposedly fired rockets into Israel. Hezbollah claimed ISIS had done it to get Israel to strike Hezbollah, and just like in this case, it worked.[/QUOTE] Israel bombed Hamas targets on principle, because Hamas is the de facto government of the Gaza strip and is expected to police it or be held accountable. But since Israel is aware that this wasn't Hamas directly and is still giving them some time to get their shit together it was mostly a symbolic gesture, so no lives or important facilities were lost. Or so they said on the news, anyway.

[QUOTE=kattolil;47906689]It's not like the US government has done shady shit before that it outright denies, right? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731[/url] [/QUOTE] So a potential plot that was killed on the cutting room floor, one actual cover-up, and a Japanese experimentation torture-camp? Yea the US government does evil-ass shit, but you're talking about a scale that you can't make up. Did all those people who call themselves Al-Qaeda just make that up? Did the organization running part of the Middle East, at times acting as a state with millions of dollars in revenue and institutions just will themselves into existence? Have you ever asked someone in the Middle East if Al Qaeda exists? Or the Islamic State? I'm pretty sure the Yazidis who are at threat of genocide are saying otherwise. The Kurds have been fighting tooth and nail for years now against an organized state, do you think that's just a made-up lie or a confabulation? OBVIOUSLY there are groups acting in the Middle East with these goals. This can not be disputed. Are you disputing that the groups are acting as one unit or state? That's a bit more complex and involves your conception of groups and states, but they are an army acting under a regime for the same goal and aims, which is close enough for me. Are you arguing that the US made them? That's somewhat true- the US and the West's actions did lead to the creation of ISIS and it's likely that the West did sponsor and arm Al-Nusra and Al-Qaeda in Iraq, who became ISIS ([url=http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq]Guardian[/url], [url=https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-west-saw-isis-as-strategic-asset-b99ad7a29092]Medium[/url]) and probably unintentionally allowed for the networking necessary to found the group ([url=http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/how-a-us-prison-camp-helped-create-isis/story-fnh81jut-1227376868248]New.com.au[/url]). This concept is called [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28intelligence%29"]blowback[/URL] and is less a conspiracy and more of a blundering mess created from maliciously uncaring states. Did the West create ISIS? Probably. Did they intend to? Less likely, and at least not in its current form.

Glad I'm not the only one who understands blowback.