Is Your Car Being Tracked by a License-Plate Scanner? - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;37233903]I'm just repeating myself now. Areolop, you would know since you're part of a police force. All I'm pointing out, yeah it doesn't tell you where you go and what you do. But if your plate gets ran and recorded, after a whole bunch of times, doesn't it plot out a diagram of what you do? Don't you agree that after a whole lot of records of you driving past a certain highway or stop light scanner you could see what a person does in his everyday life? Going to school, to work, back home again. Then do that on a grand scale, across several states. [/QUOTE] No. They wouldn't know if you were going to school, work, leaving the state, or even killing someone day in and day out because they see your vehicle's plate on the scanner. They just see patterns like "Oh vehicle 718HUH keeps taking the same route 5 days a week"

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;37233903] they do because terrorists[/QUOTE] Are you a terrorist? No? Then I don't think they are interested in you.

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;37233990]Are you a terrorist? No? Then I don't think they are interested in you.[/QUOTE] Everyone gets ran for terrorist organization affiliation.

[QUOTE=areolop;37234029]Everyone gets ran for terrorist organization affiliation.[/QUOTE] But that doesn't mean that police officers or whoever are going to follow you all over the country and watch you sleep at night right?

Plus how the hell would they know you're going to school, work, or home if they only show what STREET you've been on last?

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;37234045]Plus how the hell would they know you're going to school, work, or home if they only show what STREET you've been on last?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=areolop;37233982]No. They wouldn't know if you were going to school, work, leaving the state, or even killing someone day in and day out because they see your vehicle's plate on the scanner. They just see patterns like "Oh vehicle 718HUH keeps taking the same route 5 days a week"[/QUOTE] "Vehicle 718HUH is deviating from usual daily route. Exercise affirmative action." "Vehicle 718HUH is outside pattern range, assume suspicious behavior." "Vehicle 718HUH has arrived at usual daily destination." "Vehicle 718HUH logged in at (new location) 13:02" "Vehicle 718HUH in motion southbound 15:06" "Vehicle 718HUH logged in at (College Campus) 16:30"

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;37234064]"Vehicle 718HUH is deviating from usual daily route. Exercise affirmative action." "Vehicle 718HUH is outside pattern range, assume suspicious behavior." "Vehicle 718HUH has arrived at usual daily destination." "Vehicle 718HUH logged in at (new location) 13:02" "Vehicle 718HUH in motion southbound 15:06"[/QUOTE] Thats not how it works. [editline]14th August 2012[/editline] but thats only after they take time to plot the points. Which in that case, they are already looking for you [editline]14th August 2012[/editline] and its not real-time

[QUOTE=areolop;37234085]Thats not how it works.[/QUOTE] Hypothetically ofcourse. But it is possible in the near future, a real time tracking system. Wouldn't that be closer to their goals of policing the country? If I were to implement a scanning system, wouldn't it make sense to make it live

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;37234112]Hypothetically ofcourse. But it is possible in the near future, a real time tracking system. Wouldn't that be closer to their goals of policing the country? If I were to implement a scanning system, wouldn't it make sense to make it live[/QUOTE] Maybe, but that's completely irrelevant to this

Relax guys, unless you [I]physically drive your car into the McDonald's building[/I], the government nor the police will have known you were craving mcnuggets at 3 am :v:

Holy crap people overreact. Everyone in this thread that dislikes the idea of the government tracking you. [B]THROW OUT YOUR MOBILE PHONES STOP USING THE INTERNET STOP USING BANK CARDS AND ATM's etc [/B]

[QUOTE=Jsm;37234602]Holy crap people overreact. Everyone in this thread that dislikes the idea of the government tracking you. [B]THROW OUT YOUR MOBILE PHONES STOP USING THE INTERNET STOP USING BANK CARDS AND ATM's etc [/B][/QUOTE] Every single one of the items you listed would require a warrant for that information to be provided to police departments.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;37235064]Every single one of the items you listed would require a warrant for that information to be provided to police departments.[/QUOTE] They can get the cell phone without a warrant if exigent circumstances exist

[QUOTE=areolop;37235094]They can get the cell phone without a warrant if exigent circumstances exist[/QUOTE] They can also kick down your front door if they believe there is a danger to life, that I don't have a problem with. I see absolutely no reason for law enforcement to be allowed to create a database of a vehicles movements through traffic cameras. They do not need to know what route every single vehicle that passes through multiple of these cameras is taking, that type of stuff is for the traffic authority. I'm fine with them scanning vehicles for tags, emissions, and theft, but storing that data without cause is ridiculous and not nescessary. It brings along a shitstorm of privacy, data security, and funding requirements. If agencies are in fact doing this, like the ACLU suggest they may, I feel it should be questioned in court.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;37235064]Every single one of the items you listed would require a warrant for that information to be provided to police departments.[/QUOTE] Wait so people in this thread are crying that their privacy is being invaded and that the government is soulless but as soon as someone says "Well you'd better quit using this then" the response becomes "The government needs a warrant they would never do something without a warrant"

[QUOTE=Bentham;37235230]Wait so people in this thread are crying that their privacy is being invaded and that the government is soulless but as soon as someone says "Well you'd better quit using this then" the response becomes "The government needs a warrant they would never do something without a warrant"[/QUOTE] Yes because they are gonna bust down the doors of the local AT&T and take that information, right? No. It would not be admissible in court. This data will be available to them without warrant and that's an issue in my mind, it'd be like them setting up scanner to detect people torrenting on their phones and storing where each phone was located during the scan. But go ahead, oversimplify things some more.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;37235064]Every single one of the items you listed would require a warrant for that information to be provided to police departments.[/QUOTE] As would police accessing their own database on peoples movements. Maybe not a warrant but it would require specific circumstances. Its not like they would be able to enter your number plate when they pull you over and bring up a list of the places you have been.

Can someone explain how this is any difference from the ANPR cameras they've been using here in the UK for years now? They don't track, they don't spy, they don't know that you've just left a brothel. They just recognise plates and match them to what they're registered to.

[QUOTE=Jsm;37235283]As would police accessing their own database on peoples movements. Maybe not a warrant but it would require specific circumstances. Its not like they would be able to enter your number plate when they pull you over and bring up a list of the places you have been.[/QUOTE] And what circumstances are those exactly? Until this request is fulfilled you don't even know. There hasn't been any civilian or legal oversight over this process. Really, are you ready to just take it on faith they have implemented policies that would 'protect' this information, if it exists? Not to mention it isn't unheard of for police departments to break internal regulations to make a case. And again it boils down to the fact that they don't need this information. If they want to track people, they should make a case to a judge to have a GPS transponder installed via warrant. Period. [QUOTE=Memobot;37235320]Can someone explain how this is any difference from the ANPR cameras they've been using here in the UK for years now? They don't track, they don't spy, they don't know that you've just left a brothel. They just recognise plates and match them to what they're registered to.[/QUOTE] Well whenever you like there's an article on the first post stating that they may be using the information to track and that, at the moment, we have no clue what it is used for. The discussion is about whether it's okay for them to keep this information. You should read it sometime.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;37235218]They can also kick down your front door if they believe there is a danger to life, that I don't have a problem with. I see absolutely no reason for law enforcement to be allowed to create a database of a vehicles movements through traffic cameras. They do not need to know what route every single vehicle that passes through multiple of these cameras is taking, that type of stuff is for the traffic authority. I'm fine with them scanning vehicles for tags, emissions, and theft, but storing that data without cause is ridiculous and not nescessary. It brings along a shitstorm of privacy, data security, and funding requirements. If agencies are in fact doing this, like the ACLU suggest they may, I feel it should be questioned in court.[/QUOTE] you are literally repeating yourself when people are shooting down your facts

Lol wow. This is no different than when an officer is waiting on a red light behind you so he decides to run your plate. You know they do that, right? And yes they're allowed to. It's just a machine doing it this time. They're just checking for stolen vehicles, warrants, etc. Even if they store a record of where you were when your plate was auto-scanned, it really doesn't matter lol. Honestly I think it's just paranoia. Also, just so you know an officer (most likely detective) can go to your ISP and ask for data without a warrant. It's still up to the ISP if they want to give it to them or not. However if the detective comes to the ISP with a warrant demanding data, they have to give it up. So no, the internet does not require a warrant.

[QUOTE=Morris Vander;37232901]Yeah, the police knowing which stores you go to is soooo worrysome. I feel so violated that the government knows that I go to church omg this breeches my rights!!!!11 [sp](actually it doesn't because there is no right to privacy in a public area)[/sp][/QUOTE] Then why does Google have to blur every face and license plate in Street View? You guys keep using 'public space' to defend all kinds of surveilance and logging. Even if US legislation says it's ok to essentially spy on you as soon as you take a step outside your home (someone needs to clarify this), are you really okay with that, without second thought? [editline]14th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Swebonny;37233398]We got such scanners around Stockholm. It's used to send tax bills to drivers entering or leaving the central parts of Stockholm. Looks like this: They're all over the world and have existed for years. Plate readers that is.[/QUOTE] These scanners don't have the ability to store location data, as far as I know. Could be wrong though.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;37235412]you are literally repeating yourself when people are shooting down your facts[/QUOTE] I didn't realize a fact was something that could be debated. In fact(ha), I believe few have been posted since this is an entirely hypothetical situation. No policies or information on what, if anything, is stored is now available. [QUOTE=demoguy08;37235547] These scanners don't have the ability to store location data, as far as I know. Could be wrong though.[/QUOTE] The scanner doesn't, but the system that runs a check on the plate certainly has that ability.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;37235547]Then why does Google have to blur every face and license plate in Street View? You guys keep using 'public space' to defend all kinds of surveilance and logging. Even if US legislation says it's ok to essentially spy on you as soon as you take a step outside your home (someone needs to clarify this), are you really okay with that, without second thought? [editline]14th August 2012[/editline] These scanners don't have the ability to store location data, as far as I know. Could be wrong though.[/QUOTE] It's so that the people can't sue google for using their likeness without paying them.

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;37234064]"Vehicle 718HUH is deviating from usual daily route. Exercise affirmative action." "Vehicle 718HUH is outside pattern range, assume suspicious behavior." "Vehicle 718HUH has arrived at usual daily destination." "Vehicle 718HUH logged in at (new location) 13:02" "Vehicle 718HUH in motion southbound 15:06" "Vehicle 718HUH logged in at (College Campus) 16:30"[/QUOTE] Since could you beat this system by simply getting out of the car and walking, it doesn't seem like it would be worth the time and money to make such a huge Orwellian network of plate scanners.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;37235547]Then why does Google have to blur every face and license plate in Street View? You guys keep using 'public space' to defend all kinds of surveilance and logging. Even if US legislation says it's ok to essentially spy on you as soon as you take a step outside your home (someone needs to clarify this), are you really okay with that, without second thought? [editline]14th August 2012[/editline] These scanners don't have the ability to store location data, as far as I know. Could be wrong though.[/QUOTE] The scanners have a number. The numbers are stored somewhere. The numbers are linked to a location. They pretty much have to save the camera's number along with the scan report in case of errors etc. So why do you think they don't store location data again?

[QUOTE=demoguy08;37235547]Then why does Google have to blur every face and license plate in Street View? [/QUOTE] I don't think they [B]have[/B] to as such that they chose to. I'd love to know the reason though. I know that the reason usually given for bluring license plates on TV shows in the UK is something to do with car cloning but I don't think that's that much of a legitimate risk.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;37235714]The scanners have a number. The numbers are stored somewhere. The numbers are linked to a location. They pretty much have to save the camera's number along with the scan report in case of errors etc. So why do you think they don't store location data again?[/QUOTE] Yeah you're right. Let me rephrase, the location data in those cameras cannot juridically be used for anything but to bill car owners. I could be wrong about this, but I've never heard of a single case wherein they were used to solve a crime. What I'm trying to say is that this system taking photographs of license plates is not the same as a system dedicated to tracking people by their number plates.

What I think people are most afraid of is that they could get in trouble because they're spotted near a crime scene while they have nothing to do with it.

You know what, fuck you too license plate readers [img]http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-03-21/1268995974-dropdatabase.jpg[/img]