After Berlin attack, big cities beef up New Year's Eve security - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TheTalon;51605097]And also causes the dishonest man to wake everyone in the house up when he bashes it in. A lock may not keep a guy out, but the prospect of acute lead poisoning will [editline]31st December 2016[/editline] I do recall a guy who went on a rampage in a bulldozer that he uparmored at home. The only way the police were able to stop him is... well they didn't. He got stuck during his rampage and killed himself. It's just a good thing he was going after property. Anything can be a weapon[/QUOTE] If they bring out Killdozer again, I'm sure SWAT is prepped with something like a Barrett with Raufoss rounds.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51603710]A lock keeps an honest man out.[/QUOTE] I wish I knew this prase when I was 14. So deep.

It's never a bad idea to spend more on security. As long as that security does not, however, come at the cost of freedoms. Things like this are a good idea. Things like the PATRIOT ACT are not, as well as voting in right wing demagogues.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51605397]If they bring out Killdozer again, I'm sure SWAT is prepped with something like a Barrett with Raufoss rounds.[/QUOTE] Also it's much less likely that someone would be able to covertly build an armored bulldozer in NYC than in a rural area such as the one where the killdozer incident took place

I don't get the attitude of the people in this thread. You're all basically saying security is useless unless it can stop everything. Why have a lock on your door when a criminal can pick it? Why have garbage trucks blocking Times Square when somebody can build an armored bulldozer? Why have any security at all? Some terrorist could have a nuclear bomb so I guess its all useless!!!

[QUOTE=.Vel;51604201]The hell do you mean it's a bad post? You have to be right daft to not understand the meaning. It's saying that a lock doesn't do much in terms of robbery, because someone dedicated to actually robbing the place will go around or through the lock.[/QUOTE] It's also implying that locks are, in some way, a bad thing. I wholly get the meaning, it was just a wholly stupid phrase.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51605397]If they bring out Killdozer again, I'm sure SWAT is prepped with something like a Barrett with Raufoss rounds.[/QUOTE] I don't know if SWAT has .50's with Raufoss rounds but 1) they should for the one time they'll need it, and 2) people will cry about militarization if they do

[QUOTE=Apache249;51606002]Also it's much less likely that someone would be able to covertly build an armored bulldozer in NYC than in a rural area such as the one where the killdozer incident took place[/QUOTE] All you would need is a garage and a welder. No one is going to notice someone driving a flatbed truck full of steel into a random garage in a random warehouse in NYC.

[QUOTE=Ajacks;51606595]All you would need is a garage and a welder. No one is going to notice someone driving a flatbed truck full of steel into a random garage in a random warehouse in NYC.[/QUOTE] No thats not really all you would need [quote]Notes found by investigators after the incident indicate that the primary motivation for the bulldozer rampage was his fight to stop a concrete plant from being built near his shop. These notes indicated that he held grudges over the zoning approval. "I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable", he wrote. "Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things."[8] Heemeyer took about a [B]year and a half to prepare[/B]; in his notes he wrote: "It is interesting to observe that I was never caught. This was a part-time project over a 1½ year time period." Clearly he was surprised that several men, who had visited the shed late the previous year, had not noticed the modified bulldozer "...especially with the 2000-pound lift fully exposed". "Somehow their vision was clouded", he wrote.[8] The machine used in the incident was a [B]Komatsu D355A bulldozer[/B][9] fitted with makeshift armor plating covering the cabin, engine and parts of the tracks. In places this armor was over 1 foot (30 cm) thick, consisting of 5000-psi Quikrete concrete mix sandwiched between sheets of tool steel (acquired from an automotive dealer in Denver), to make ad-hoc composite armor. This made the machine impervious to small arms fire and resistant to explosives: indeed three external explosions and more than 200 rounds of ammunition fired at the bulldozer had no effect on it.[1] For visibility the bulldozer was fitted with [B]several video cameras linked to two monitors mounted on the vehicle's dashboard[/B]; the cameras were protected on the outside by 3-inch (76 mm) shields of bullet-resistant plastic.[1] Onboard fans and an air conditioner were used to keep Heemeyer cool while driving, and [B]compressed-air nozzles were fitted to blow dust away from the video cameras[/B]. He had made three gun-ports, fitted for a .50 caliber sniper rifle, a .308 semi-automatic, and a .22 long rifle, all fitted with a half-inch-thick steel plate. Heemeyer apparently had no intention of leaving the cabin once he entered it.[1] Authorities speculated he may have used a [B]homemade crane[/B] – found in his garage – to lower the armor hull over the dozer and himself. "Once he tipped that lid shut, he knew he wasn't getting out", Daly said. Investigators searched the garage where they believe Heemeyer built the vehicle and found cement and armor steel.[1][/quote]

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51605706]It's never a bad idea to spend more on security. As long as that security does not, however, come at the cost of freedoms. Things like this are a good idea. Things like the PATRIOT ACT are not, as well as voting in right wing demagogues.[/QUOTE] History has repeatedly shown that people will rather be restricted by authority than fear

[QUOTE=pentium;51603631]One of these days we'll look back and realize just how much money we are wasting on paranoia.[/QUOTE] You are right. [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/istanbul-nightclub-attack-shooting-turkey-gunman-injured-killed-victims-new-years-eve-2016-2017-a7504046.html[/url]