CANADA: Federal legislation on legalizing marijuana unveiled - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52109250]It just goes to show you can't trust the government or judges to do the "reasonable" thing. If something is stated in a law you can bet you know what their intentions are.[/QUOTE] Here's some other, more recent rulings for people being charged with growing marijuana pre-legalization This guy was fined 1$ for having 30 plants [quote]A man was before Justice Pierre Chevalier charged with cultivating 30 pot plants. The Crown was looking for a sentence of 90 days in jail. The judge had a different idea. He fined the accused, Mario Larouche, $1, throwing in a victim surcharge of 30 cents. Justice Chevalier called Canada’s cannabis laws “outdated and ridiculous” and pointed directly at the intentions of the new Liberal government of Justin Trudeau to legalize and regulate the use of marijuana.[/quote] [url]http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-loonie-judge-fines-pot-grower-1-for-30-plants-mocks-ridiculous-law[/url] this lady only got 10 months in jail for having a whopping 1,110 plants [quote]at 2755 Jane St. Toronto Police found 1,110 plants being grown under 19 high pressure sodium lights connected to 20 ballasts that made them compatible with 1000 watt lightbulbs. There were empty pots, hoses, three oscillating fans, venting equipment, carbon filters, five timer boards, and fertilizer inside the apartment. Black mold was seen on the walls and piles of dirt on the floor. Drug officers estimated the value between $390,000 and $468,000 if dried and sold by the kilogram and more than $1.5 million if sold by the gram. Pham’s lawyers argued the 45-year-old mother of two shouldn’t be sentenced to the mandatory minimum mandated in the 2012 amendments to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. They challenged the law not because a three-year sentence would be “grossly disproportionate” in her particular case — they actually agreed it wouldn’t be — but because it could possibly affect other, less blameworthy offenders where it would amount to cruel and unusual punishment. Justice Michael Code agreed, striking down the law, and sentencing Pham instead to 10 months in jail.[/quote] [url]http://www.torontosun.com/2016/09/06/mandatory-pot-cultivation-sentence-tossed-out[/url] and this guy got 6 months for having 150 plants, which he probably only got because under our current laws that's the minimum sentencing for growing marijuana illegally. [quote] Clarkson came under suspicion after police were alerted to the smell coming from the property. They found 150 small plants. At harvest, the value was estimated at $60,000. Varesi said the grow-op appeared to be well organized. Defence lawyer Sheldon Tate said Clarkson lived a modest life, noting there was no evidence he was enjoying the spoils of earlier crops. The trucker who retired more than 10 years ago has a dated and unrelated criminal record. “His motive for committing this crime was to augment his income,” Dley said. “As limited as it might have been, it can only be categorized as a crime of greed and for no other reason.” In addition to the six-month jail term, Clarkson is prohibited from possessing firearms for 10 years and must also submit a sample of his DNA to the national registry.[/quote] [url]http://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/76-year-old-gets-mandatory-six-month-jail-term-for-growing-150-small-pot-plants/[/url] if this is the current standard for sentencing, after marijuanas became legal I highly doubt a judge is going to send you or anyone to jail for 14 years for growing pot.

[QUOTE=June;52109070]did you miss where it says tickets for small amounts? 14 years would be the maximum penalty, which would almost certainly be reserved for illegal commercially sized grow ops. No judge is ever going to sentence you to jail for 14 years because you grew 6 marijuana plants, even under the current laws.[/QUOTE] Mandatory minimums passed under Harper's last term say 6 plants means jailtime, but you are correct that it would not be 14 years. [QUOTE=ultra_bright;52109103]The Canadian government has extradited people to the U.S for selling seeds before.[/QUOTE] Your own source contains, in its first line, that the DEA got them to do it. Marc Emery was arrested and extradited to the US because he was selling marijuana seeds [I]across the border[/I] and ran afoul of the DEA's war on drugs. That is a [B]very[/B] different situation to a Canadian citizen growing six plants in their own house for personal use and the government can't provide any evidence of intent to sell or unlawfully distribute (i.e. to kids). You are correct that if a law is written the system will find a way to use it to its fullest, but you are reaching pretty far to try and defend your point here. Plus, well, [QUOTE=June;52109318]-triple headshot of relevant caselaw-[/QUOTE] If I were to start growing after it's legal, maybe I'd find, after a season or two, that four plants just isn't quite enough and I can fit one to three more in the same hydro space. If I went ahead with that plan and grew, say, seven plants, I'd go ahead knowing that I'd be breaking the law and might get caught and punished, but I'd be confident that I'd be fined instead of jailed. A fine of, I dunno, $2000 would sting and it'd teach me to not test the limits, but it wouldn't be incarceration in the town's minimum-security prison.

I mean, geez. I'm just happy you can share [B]30 grams[/B] with your peers.

[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52109906]I mean, geez. I'm just happy you can share [B]30 grams[/B] with your peers.[/QUOTE] "Happy birthday, here's an ounce." New BC tradition, I'm calling it now.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52109911]"Happy birthday, here's an ounce." New BC tradition, I'm calling it now.[/QUOTE] I would prefer this over most gifts I get

I don't get this. They're still acting as if it's some horrible thing with these weird limits with insane penalties. If you have more than 30 grams you can go to jail. Why? It's like they're basically going "we fucking hate you for smoking weed but you can have a little bit but if you go over it you're fucking dead, kiddo"

The only horrible thing is that fuckheads care so much about legal pot, transgender bathrooms and what Donald Trump did last night at the diner and other waste of time-space "issues". Meanwhile people are eating lead fucking soup in the middle east. [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] Legal, decriminalized, not legal. Who gives a shit. FTR, there are far more potent vasodialators, anti-convulsants, analgesics, anti-anxiety meds etc. Ones that don't give you lung cancer or steam burns. [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] And don't make your frontal lobe mass that of a gecko lizard.

[QUOTE=KD007;52111178]The only horrible thing is that fuckheads care so much about legal pot, transgender bathrooms and what Donald Trump did last night at the diner and other waste of time-space "issues". Meanwhile people are eating lead fucking soup in the middle east. [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] Legal, decriminalized, not legal. Who gives a shit. FTR, there are far more potent vasodialators, anti-convulsants, analgesics, anti-anxiety meds etc. Ones that don't give you lung cancer or steam burns. [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] And don't make your frontal lobe mass that of a gecko lizard.[/QUOTE] Oh god forbid people don't want to go to jail for relaxing in a manner as safe as alcohol or fight for that right

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52111210]Oh god forbid people don't want to go to jail for relaxing in a manner as safe as alcohol or fight for that right[/QUOTE] ANTARCTICA IS ABOUT TO FUCKING MELT Seriously, though, my issue is not with people not wanting to go to jail, even for recreational use (it's quite the opposite, actually). My only issue with the whole legalizing pot thing is the overzealous effort and polarized attention toward it. At the most wrong possible time, too.

[QUOTE=KD007;52111215]ANTARCTICA IS ABOUT TO FUCKING MELT[/QUOTE] Yeah and I'm worried about that as well but Canada can't stop that and legalizing weed doesn't prevent us from also doing things about that. People ARE able to care about multiple things. What are you doing to stop global warming anyways?

[QUOTE=KD007;52111215]ANTARCTICA IS ABOUT TO FUCKING MELT Seriously, though, my issue is not with people not wanting to go to jail, even for recreational use (it's quite the opposite, actually). My only issue with the whole legalizing pot thing is the overzealous effort and polarized attention toward it. At the most wrong possible time, too.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, because governments only work on one issue at a time.

Has there even been a right time? Like fine you find it unacceptable to do it now, but does doing it now stop us from also lowering our own nations emissions, the only thing we're able to do as a nation mind you? Do you think Canada can just step in and save the world dude?

Also, I don't know what part of Canada you're talking about. I have been caught with weed by police before here in Morontario. Most of the time, they make sure that you're not doing anything reckless, and tell you to go smoke it at home. At home, rec use is virtually impossible to even get looked at for. Unless you open your window, and blow it into the neighbors into a toddler's face? I don't know..

[QUOTE=KD007;52111215]ANTARCTICA IS ABOUT TO FUCKING MELT Seriously, though, my issue is not with people not wanting to go to jail, even for recreational use (it's quite the opposite, actually). My only issue with the whole legalizing pot thing is the overzealous effort and polarized attention toward it. At the most wrong possible time, too.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and Flint, Michigan has poisoned water, kids are being burned alive in Africa, people are slaves in Dubai, and North Korea is horribly oppressive to its people. There are lots of problems. Some of them are easier to fix than others, and fixing one problem doesn't prevent us from working on global warming at the same time

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52111223]Has there even been a right time? Like fine you find it unacceptable to do it now, but does doing it now stop us from also lowering our own nations emissions, the only thing we're able to do as a nation mind you? Do you think Canada can just step in and save the world dude?[/QUOTE] Well, technically... not smoking pot lowers CO2 emissions :V [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=geel9;52111226]Yeah, and Flint, Michigan has poisoned water, kids are being burned alive in Africa, people are slaves in Dubai, and North Korea is horribly oppressive to its people. There are lots of problems. Some of them are easier to fix than others, and fixing one problem doesn't prevent us from working on global warming at the same time[/QUOTE] The Flint thing was absolutely fucked up. I don't even know that is possible :( [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] Well that along with the other things. But it wouldn't hurt to shine more light on those issues. The subtext of my whole rant is, that this whole legal pot thing is one of the very topics that news networks use to fill space that was created from things nobody wants to talk about.

[QUOTE=KD007;52111178]The only horrible thing is that fuckheads care so much about legal pot, transgender bathrooms and what Donald Trump did last night at the diner and other waste of time-space "issues". Meanwhile people are eating lead fucking soup in the middle east. [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] Legal, decriminalized, not legal. Who gives a shit. FTR, there are far more potent vasodialators, anti-convulsants, analgesics, anti-anxiety meds etc. Ones that don't give you lung cancer or steam burns. [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] And don't make your frontal lobe mass that of a gecko lizard.[/QUOTE] Why bother fixing a car that has a missing window if there are cars out there sitting in the dump that don't even work at all?

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;52111254]Why bother fixing a car that has a missing window if there are cars out there sitting in the dump that don't even work at all?[/QUOTE] The real question is: Is that thing in the dump without the engine considered a car or a shell? Also, what's this about your progressive rock fetish?

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52111213]i hope you canadians will enjoy having your city streets smell like shit[/QUOTE] Some people hate the smell of lavender. With all due respect, get over it.

this goes alot further than "lol dude i can smoke weed now"

i mean, you could say the same for tobacco smokers. you're talking about a city, it's not going to just magically smell great just because you get rid of any smoking in general, it's a city.

[QUOTE=KD007;52111178]Legal, decriminalized, not legal. Who gives a shit. FTR, there are far more potent vasodialators, anti-convulsants, analgesics, anti-anxiety meds etc. Ones that don't give you lung cancer or steam burns. [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] And don't make your frontal lobe mass that of a gecko lizard.[/QUOTE] Yeah, instead of being addicted to weed, you should have a proper dependency and get addicted to prescription painkillers. Like heroin, morphine, oxycontin, or any other opiate/opioid. [URL="http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/overdose-death-statistics-2016-1.3941224"]It's not like any of those people turn to fentanyl and overdose, right?[/URL] Weed is more effective and with less side effects than a number of expensive prescription drugs. Sure, they may be more "potent", but sometimes you don't bring a cannon when a slingshot will do. Weed doesn't make you stupid and useless unless you let it. People who let weed "ruin" their lives were looking for a tool to make ruining their lives a lot more comfortable and easy, not victims of Satan's voodoo spinach. This is like painting all alcohol-imbibers as gutter alcoholics. And the reason it is a big deal right now is simple: Stephen Harper's government ran on a hardline anti-weed (and anti-drug in general) platform and politicized Health Canada (this is unethical) to help drive re-election by having their policies be prohibitionist and more acceptable to his base. This is in opposition to a majority sentiment in the country that felt it should be decriminalized if not legalized and has been fighting for years, even prior to Harper's election as PM. In Vancouver it was effectively legalized for personal amounts, as VPD and Vancouver RCMP were essentially under unofficial orders to leave pot smokers alone if they weren't being obnoxious (no smoking while walking through busy crowds/kids), weren't dealing/distributing, and weren't bringing it near kids. Dispensaries were popping up all over, operating as unlawful businesses without licenses and tolerated by the community because they served a legitimate demand, and this created this huge legal mess because you have unlicensed criminal businesses being operated openly out of storefronts and buying advertising. These are the conditions of a disjoint between the will of the people and federal law. This environment of uncertainty was creating conditions where RCMP can raid [I]at their discretion[/I], which is the gateway to discriminatory enforcement. It was also making criminals out of people, including many seniors, who were just looking for a way to treat their symptoms with fewer side effects than ultra-powerful pharmaceuticals (some even including "death" as a potential side effect). However, while I'm glad to be getting pot reform, I'm disappointed that electoral reform went out the window.

[QUOTE=geel9;52111172]I don't get this. They're still acting as if it's some horrible thing with these weird limits with insane penalties. If you have more than 30 grams you can go to jail. Why? It's like they're basically going "we fucking hate you for smoking weed but you can have a little bit but if you go over it you're fucking dead, kiddo"[/QUOTE] It seems like it's if you have more than 30 grams "on your person" then you get fucked. If you have like 30 pounds at home it seems like that's legit as long as when you leave the house you only have an ounce. Which is still better than booze because remember, you can be charged for open container and drinking in public.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52111332]trust me, i'd get over it easily if potheads would just do their shit at home/their buddies' home instead of stinking up the whole city. i walk through the city nearly every day and sometimes the stars align and it doesnt reek of weed entirely, but oh nevermind here comes mr. hoodie ''welfare'' mctrackpants leaving a trail of yuck because he couldnt wait to smoke his shit in his own place, bonus points if he reeks in a small, enclosed space such as a shop. god i'd be happy if this city would just smell like lavender for one hour.[/QUOTE] Dude, you live in a city where you deal with large volumes of people on a regular basis, some people are going to smell bad, some of those people are going to smoke pot. do you actually think that's a good counter argument against legalization? your concerns about people smelling bad aren't relevant to this discussion.