• Dzhokhar Tsarnaev: "I am sorry for the lives I have taken, for the suffering that I have caused"
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[QUOTE=draugur;48044518]The amount of irony in this statement alone is fucking insane. You've been easily influenced by others to believe what you do about this kid and you have failed to filter information to reach the actual truth of the situation. What does that mean you deserve? [/QUOTE] You talk about irony, but then goes ironic that you state I've missed the truth about the kid, it's really funny you mention it because I've yet to say about Tsarnaev anything in particular. [quote] I was indoctrinated in the exact same fashion to commit "murder" on behalf of the U.S. military as Taliban fighters in Afghanistan are, if you want to throw all the context in the world out the window we are the same people. We are/were "defending our homeland from foreign aggressors".[/quote] So sucks to be you? I'm not even going to talk about the fact Taliban wasn't a direct aggressor to US... But those debates are irrelevant now. [quote]It is our duty as the stronger man to take the high ground; it is our duty to show compassion and empathy to the weak. Without those we are no better than terrorists ourselves, admit this hard truth or not, it is just that. [/quote] This goes beyond what I was even talking about [editline]25th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=The golden;48044492]Uhm, pretty much every human being alive is influenced by people of authority or seniority over them. I suggest you go and read about the background history of the brothers. You will find that he was greatly influenced by his brother. His brother and mother were both extremists (and both also on terrorism watch-lists prior to the bombings). Dzhokhar was not.[/QUOTE] I do not really care about their in-depth background information, if you find yourself convinced into killing innocents then you cannot say with a straight face that you regret your decisions.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48045033]You talk about irony, but then goes ironic that you state I've missed the truth about the kid, it's really funny you mention it because I've yet to say about Tsarnaev anything in particular. So sucks to be you? I'm not even going to talk about the fact Taliban wasn't a direct aggressor to US... But those debates are irrelevant now. This goes beyond what I was even talking about [editline]25th June 2015[/editline] [B]I do not really care about their in-depth background information, if you find yourself convinced into killing innocents then you cannot say with a straight face that you regret your decisions.[/B][/QUOTE] How do you even reach your keyboard from that high horse?
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48045033] I do not really care about their in-depth background information, if you find yourself convinced into killing innocents then you cannot say with a straight face that you regret your decisions.[/QUOTE] I honestly can't even properly begin to address how haughty this statement is. We might need to invent new words of magnitude for it.
Hey hes coming to my town! We're pretty famous for our prisoners.
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[QUOTE=Riller;48043490]Prolly regret what he did. The typical way of terrorists-and-mass-murderers-after-capture is to go full 'I did the right thing and I'm a beacon to follow' routine. Rare for someone to apologize.[/QUOTE] Breivik is an interesting case though. He has broken up in tears in court, also he said that when he set his foot on the island, everything inside him was telling him to stop but still did it, the son of a bitch.
[QUOTE=draugur;48042822]Honestly, he's pretty much still a kid and he was pretty clearly influenced by his other brother's crap to do it. Authority/Idol figures can make people do crazy shit. For this reason alone I believe he is sincere, does that mean he doesn't deserve to be punished? No. But he doesn't deserve to be tortured or killed or anything, that's fucking barbaric and would serve no purpose other than the show we're no better than his actions.[/QUOTE] He was 19 at the time of the bombing. 19 is old enough to think for yourself and to know that what he did was wrong.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48045875]Breivik is an interesting case though. He has broken up in tears in court, also he said that when he set his foot on the island, everything inside him was telling him to stop but still did it, the son of a bitch.[/QUOTE] Where are you getting this from? Anders Breivik was in tears because his propagandist film was being shown in court. He wasn't moved by sympathy.
Doesn't change the fact that he killed lives
I think he deserves life in prison, chance of parole when he hits ~60. You read into his story, it's fairly obvious he tagged along and was influenced by his older brother. The media as a consequence has outweighed him and blamed him for entirely everything when his brother was the masterminds. Anybody who wishes death upon this man needs to see how fucking barbaric that is. Will killing him bring back the dead? No. It does squat apart from a "feel good" attitude that Americans score when they seek revenge for some dumb reason. Lock him away for life, you will never see him again.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;48046000]I think he deserves life in prison, chance of parole when he hits ~60. You read into his story, it's fairly obvious he tagged along and was influenced by his older brother. The media as a consequence has outweighed him and blamed him for entirely everything when his brother was the masterminds. Anybody who wishes death upon this man needs to see how fucking barbaric that is. Will killing him bring back the dead? No. It does squat apart from a "feel good" attitude that Americans score when they seek revenge for some dumb reason. Lock him away for life, you will never see him again.[/QUOTE] He was 19, it doesn't matter if he was "tagging along". The media has treated him and his brother with the same degree of blame, which the should. He knew full well what he was doing and what the repercussions where. As for it being barbaric, no more so than taking away his freedom for the rest of his life. I have no sympathy for him what so ever. If giving him the death penalty gives his victims comfort and closer then it is fine with me.
A nice punishment (as well as imprisonment) would be an open presentation delivered by him condemning terrorism and the organization that he worked with.
Sounds like he's rehabilitated to me. I think they should attempt to re-integrate him with society now.
I think it would be wonderful if he served a reasonably large sentence, eventually integrated back into society, and went on to do something decent with the remainder of his life, but I'm pretty certain I'm in the minority, here. Giving criminals the death penalty unless they're 100% undeniably helpless bastards just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, personally. It feels bitter and at times, pointless.
[QUOTE=The golden;48045122]Well if you're not going to give a shit about the facts of a situation then why should we give a shit about your opinion?[/QUOTE] I dont know, why do you not ignore me yet? [editline]25th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Kybalt;48045086]How do you even reach your keyboard from that high horse?[/QUOTE] Wireless keyboards.
[QUOTE=The golden;48042781]I would rather him be executed than sent to a torture facility. Nobody deserves that. Nobody.[/QUOTE] A torture facility that gives you Xboxes and flat screen TV's...that's the shit you don't hear about online.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;48045939]Where are you getting this from? Anders Breivik was in tears because his propagandist film was being shown in court. He wasn't moved by sympathy.[/QUOTE] What was he broken up about then, or moved by? If not feelings of sympathy or guilt, then what? Seeing yourself on the screen in court could do that. I doubt they were tears of joy or pride. As for where I'm getting this from, I just gave the story a good read back when it was more relevant. Based on more or less the same info we've all received, or haven't, over the years.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48048301]What was he broken up about then, or moved by? If not feelings of sympathy or guilt, then what? Seeing yourself on the screen in court could do that. I doubt they were tears of joy or pride. As for where I'm getting this from, I just gave the story a good read back when it was more relevant. Based on more or less the same info we've all received, or haven't, over the years.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9209392/Anders-Behring-Breivik-my-tears-were-for-Norway.html"] On Tuesday, Prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh asked him why he had cried. [/URL] [quote]“Because my country is in the process of dying – it was the sorrow over seeing my country ... deconstructed,” he said. It was “[B]especially the songs, combined with the message” that brought tears to his eyes[/B], he said, adding: “[B]It was my first YouTube video[/B].” [/quote] For him to see his first YouTube propaganda film broadcasted on court felt like a personal accomplishment to him. He had felt he succeeded in terms of recognition and began to cry tears of happiness.
[QUOTE=butre;48045915]He was 19 at the time of the bombing. 19 is old enough to think for yourself and to know that what he did was wrong.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but dude, this is 2015. The concept of personal responsibility is dead to plenty of people out there. Someone kidnaps and murders a neighbor of theirs-- Oops, they just made a bad decision is all. Someone shoots up a building and slaughters a bunch of people-- Aw, what a waste, they must've been mentally ill. Two brothers bomb a city event in a terrorist attack and kill and maim hundreds of people combined-- Well, they were just indoctrinated. It's definitely not the younger one's fault, he's a victim of circumstances. Etc. It's the result of a general lack of life awareness and a naive mindset. And it could also be a shirking of personal responsibility on their part too. This isn't "we borrowed dad's car and accidentally wrecked it", it's not "we got caught smoking underage", it's not "we stole beer"; this is a case of "we bombed people in a terrorist attack, killed some of them, maimed and injured hundreds of others, ran from the law and then tried to fight them". Perspective apparently doesn't exist anymore with a lot of people, but the point is taking people's lives or ruining their lives for no reason is wrong. It's the worst thing a person can do to another person: destroy their existence for the sake of destruction. What they did was wrong, their actions were their own, and now Dzhokar is going to receive justified punishment for his role. He was old enough to understand the concept of personal responsibility at the time of the attack, he did what he did anyway, and that's how simple it is. I get that people want to have empathy for others and understand that it's important, but holy fuck, some of you can't control it and get way too emotional over this sort of stuff all the time.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;48046000]I think he deserves life in prison, chance of parole when he hits ~60. You read into his story, it's fairly obvious he tagged along and was influenced by his older brother. The media as a consequence has outweighed him and blamed him for entirely everything when his brother was the masterminds. Anybody who wishes death upon this man needs to see how fucking barbaric that is. Will killing him bring back the dead? No. It does squat apart from a "feel good" attitude that Americans score when they seek revenge for some dumb reason. Lock him away for life, you will never see him again.[/QUOTE] i'd prefer life in prison so as to not make a martyr out of him but he's getting what's coming to him, that's for sure. he ended three lives and injured hundreds of others, sounds like justice to me. the fact is he's an adult and just as guilty as his brother, he's not bound to him and parole lmao. you think anyone would allow him to live outside of prison? i guess at least he threw it out there that maybe he isn't a total irredeemable scumbag but it doesn't change what he did. his life is fucked either way and if you ask me execution is merciful compared to sitting in solitary for like, 90 years?
every single time i see an execution defender saying "death is merciful compared to life in prison" i wonder if they've ever contemplated the concept of death at all
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48055607]every single time i see an execution defender saying "death is merciful compared to life in prison" i wonder if they've ever contemplated the concept of death at all[/QUOTE] ever contemplated solitary confinement?
I'd rather live 10+ years alone instead of being dead forever
[QUOTE=erkor;48068851]I'd rather live 10+ years alone instead of being dead forever[/QUOTE] Solitary confinement is probably the only instance in which I'd rather shoot myself in the head.
[QUOTE=erkor;48068851]I'd rather live 10+ years alone instead of being dead forever[/QUOTE] no you wouldn't.
I wonder how much they tortured him to get him to admit guilt
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;48068913]I wonder how much they tortured him to get him to admit guilt[/QUOTE] i wonder if they took his ear too mr van gogh :(
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48045875]Breivik is an interesting case though. He has broken up in tears in court, also he said that when he set his foot on the island, everything inside him was telling him to stop but still did it, the son of a bitch.[/QUOTE] Didn't he troll everyone from the start? On the island he called the police 9 times to surrender, but all the phone lines was busy and he never reached the PD. So he continued to shoot kids. Later when SWAT arrived he just dropped his gun and kept walking towards the policemen smiling at them because he knew they had no rights to shoot him. The smug bastard has the chance to walk out of prison too because he got only 20 years and he wasnt even that old. Me and you might see the day he walks out AND commits something even worse. The tricky bastard is a sociopath, one of my favourite IRL villains.
[QUOTE=erkor;48068851]I'd rather live 10+ years alone instead of being dead forever[/QUOTE] Just you and your thoughts for 10 years?
[QUOTE=erkor;48068851]I'd rather live 10+ years alone instead of being dead forever[/QUOTE] The insanity of nothing but my own thoughts in a room all by myself, no one to talk to or share how I feel? I'll take a firing squad over that any day, might as well end it quick.
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