Humble Bundle are now restricting game keys - Polidicks

[QUOTE=FlashStock;42721499]still $1 per bundle is pretty low[/QUOTE] Paying $1 is better than nothing for them. Even if the people who buy these only pay $1 because they already own the games, it's still better than paying nothing for them at all because you can't give away the keys. I know I won't be buying some future bundles. [editline]a[/editline] [QUOTE=MadBomber;42721504]Boooo, I hope this doesnt affect older keys. I set up a raffle with 23 games on FP a few months back and I was hoping to do another again some time soon.[/QUOTE] Just checked, it doesn't.

I'm glad they did this to stop people from re-selling the individual Steam keys. There is nothing to be butt hurt about, have you guys missed what Humble Bundle is all about? Hint: It's not about getting cheap games.

[QUOTE=Kiririn;42721523]I'm glad they did this to stop people from re-selling the individual Steam keys. There is nothing to be butt hurt about, have you guys missed what Humble Bundle is all about? Hint: It's not about getting cheap games.[/QUOTE] But that's why a lot of people bought the bundles. If it wasn't pay-what-you-want, their sales would dramatically increase. For example, I highly doubt the Humble Origin Bundle would have sold as well as it did if it wasn't about 'getting cheap games'.

So, if I already own some of the games in my steam and want to gift those to another friend, I have to buy the gift bundle?

[QUOTE=FlashStock;42721499]still $1 per bundle is pretty low[/QUOTE] I don't really see the need to try and push morality into this. You are allowed and encouraged to pay whatever you want for a bundle. The whole point of Humble-Bundle is that they know that people are willing to "donate" if they gain something from it. That is whole reason it exists, you buy games and that money goes to a good cause. I'll be blunt, if you're going to put blanket judgements on other people, I want you to go examine yourself, your life, and everyone you respect and tell me how you feel when you realize the personality flaws you or those people have, because people are not perfect. You want to actually donate to a charity? Than donate to a charity, don't go through a stupid middleman service that solely exists to entice people into donating by giving rewards.

You can still gift whole bundles so I don't see it as that bad.

The thing is you were never allowed to give out keys anyways (this never stopped anyone). Another thing about the humble bundle is if you already have one of the games that key goes to waste, so naturally people will try to gift someone or sell the key.

[QUOTE=Sivics;42721550]You can still gift whole bundles so I don't see it as that bad.[/QUOTE] What if I only want half the games? Now it's either you get the whole bundle, or someone else does. Sure, you can buy multiple bundles, but will people want to bother to do that? Only time will tell how much this affects the sales.

[QUOTE=Sivics;42721550]You can still gift whole bundles so I don't see it as that bad.[/QUOTE] More specifically you have to check an option for a gift URL while buying it and then give the url to the person(the person also needs an account).

[QUOTE=Kiririn;42721523]I'm glad they did this to stop people from re-selling the individual Steam keys. There is nothing to be butt hurt about, have you guys missed what Humble Bundle is all about? Hint: It's not about getting cheap games.[/QUOTE] Yes, the purpose of the sale is to give to charity, but for users it is about getting cheap games, while the proceeds go to charity. Do you think if they ran the exact same webpage except they didn't offer games and it was just a donate what you want + all proceeds go to charity, that they would get anywhere near the same amount of money? I'm not going to lie and say that I buy humble bundle because of the charity aspect, I do what tens of thousands of other people do and buy it because I'm getting sometimes $50-100 worth of games for $6, regardless of whether or not it is for charity. I do think its nice that they raise loads of money for charity, but I think its an outright lie to say that by offering extremely cheap games as a reward for giving to charity, that it is entirely about charity. I'm fine as long as this doesnt affect my old bundle spare keys, at least you can still buy people entire bundles as gifts later.

-Snip- I misread the new account feature like an idiot, therefor this post is irrelevant to discussion.

Yeah I'm almost tempted to not bother buying this now (and potentially not buy any future ones if they continue doing it). Something about it just doesn't sit right.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;42721545]I don't really see the need to try and push morality into this. You are allowed and encouraged to pay whatever you want for a bundle. The whole point of Humble-Bundle is that they know that people are willing to "donate" if they gain something from it. That is whole reason it exists, you buy games and that money goes to a good cause. You want to actually donate to a charity? Than donate to a charity, don't go through a stupid middleman service that solely exists to entice people into donating by giving rewards.[/QUOTE] This gets me really mad, people complaining about buyers not donating enough. If a site like Humble Bundle offers games at customizable prices, you shouldn't play a moralist and condemn those who pay less. If they want to raise the average of the price, just set a minimum price tag. I still remember when Totalbiscuit was really upset that the THQ pack average cost was really low. Just put a minimum price on it like many other bundle websites. Also if you really want to donate a cause, just go to another instituition or donate directly your money to a developper. Everyone likes Humble Bundles because they're cheap and offer decent games, not because you donate to charity. It's also a nice way to help devs who are under a financial crisis.

-Snip- I misread the new account feature like an idiot, therefor this post is irrelevant to discussion.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;42721799]I just realized the blunt reality that this actually doesn't solve anything. A criminal will obviously use an alternative email and steam account in order to buy the bundle at minimum price with all the keys, and sell it for maximum profit. Even if a criminal was to use their existing account for the bundle, they will still in the end, have at least 1 or 2 keys to sell, even if 3 out of 5 of them are unusable. They will still make a profit. The final insult to injury, is that this is unavoidable. Criminals will always find a way and they will always break the law, along with the harsh reality that text based CD-keys cannot be somehow magically encrpyed to one specific person, they do not work that way. This hurts consumers, hurts the bundle, hurts developers and most importantly hurts those in need of donation, all the while? Criminals will bypass it and will have no problem selling on the black market as they always have. [B]So to make this really short and blunt, to anyone whom has stated this will solve anything. It won't, criminals will make alternative accounts and will continue to sell CD-Keys for increased prices to make a profit. This simply hurts the innocent buyer and the innocent charities. Why should people like you and me be punished? My boyfriend and I always pay above average and *give* out the keys we don't want or can't use (own the game) to our friends. Why do we have to get punished? Criminals will get around it.[/B][/QUOTE] You no longer get keys; Steam have introduced a feature that lets outside applications redeem games directly to your account. As it stands with the new system, you click 'Redeem your Steam key' on your HB page, then it instantly adds it into your Steam library and appears in your client within 30 or so seconds. So the only thing people can do is make a new account and redeem keys to it then sell that account, which isnt exactly very good.

[QUOTE=Cushie;42721911]You no longer get keys; Steam have introduced a feature that lets outside applications redeem games directly to your account. As it stands with the new system, you click 'Redeem your Steam key' on your HB page, then it instantly adds it into your Steam library and appears in your client within 30 or so seconds. So the only thing people can do is make a new account and redeem keys to it then sell that account, which isnt exactly very good.[/QUOTE] Hm, not sure how I missed that, guess what I said is really pointless than, lmao.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;42721799]Why should people like you and me be punished?[/QUOTE] It's just a sign in through Steam. Why make such a big deal about it?

Its a shame. I buy bundles knowing that I'm going to give half of the games to my friends. Now I'll have games I'll never ever play clogging my library.

[QUOTE=Kiririn;42721948]It's just a sign in through Steam. Why make such a big deal about it?[/QUOTE] As I said in my previous post, I misunderstood the new system like an idiot and thats about it. I am not continuing this and am removing my posts, as they are incorrect and do not promote discussion.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42721970]Its a shame. I buy bundles knowing that I'm going to give half of the games to my friends. Now I'll have games I'll never ever play clogging my library.[/QUOTE] But that's a very clear violation of the rules. If you buy a bundle for yourself you aren't allowed to give away any of the keys. And on the last page someone complained about already having half the games of a bundle? THEN JUST PAY HALF THE PRICE! It's pay-what-you-want for a reason.

I always asked my friends to buy bundles for me since i don't have a credit card. Well... This is just like DRM, the companies think they'll get more customers while they're really losing them. Dumb move, HB. [editline]1st November 2013[/editline] Wait, there's still gifting right? [editline]1st November 2013[/editline] So... You have to pay the fixed price of $6 to get the "average" games now. [QUOTE]Average purchase: $3.83[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Pay $6 to get four more games![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;42722178] So... You have to pay the fixed price of $6 to get the "average" games now.[/QUOTE] You blind? That's been a thing since christmas last year. I hate when a new, disliked feature comes out and people start to nitpick longstanding features in response. [editline]1st November 2013[/editline] Honestly, this is a bit of a peeve to me, and a little clunky, but I can see why they did it. Their TOS states that the games are for [I]you[/I] only, and not to give away. I can't say I'm [I]pleased,[/I] but I'm not surprised by any measure.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;42722375]You blind? That's been a thing since christmas last year. I hate when a new, disliked feature comes out and people start to nitpick longstanding features in response. [/QUOTE] Well, this is the first time i see a fixed price. No need to be a bitch about it. I bought an HB this year and i don't recall seeing a fixed price. Still sucks.

I see no issue what so ever with this, their ToS clearly states that the games/keys are for personal use only so anyone getting pissed over it, was clearly intending to brake the ToS. That said I do wish they make it more visually clear that your games have been redemed

Personally I put the slider to 100% charity. [QUOTE=Richy19;42722542]I see no issue what so ever with this, their ToS clearly states that the games/keys are for personal use only so anyone getting pissed over it, was clearly intending to brake the ToS. That said I do wish they make it more visually clear that your games have been redemed[/QUOTE] It's still going to upset a fuckload of people. You're being given 5 keys for games, even if you own two of the games you're still supposed to get [U]five[/U] keys. It won't stop 'black keys' but it will sure as hell piss people off. What prevents people from simply buying multiple pairs of keys and then 'linking' them to a buyer's account and telling that set of keys to redeem themselves and delinking after?

I see a lot of people asking why, so I'll do my best to explain for all of you. About a month or so ago, they added credit card purchasing to their website, which is a long requested feature. About the same time, a few traders started popping up who were selling the BTA bundles at a ridiculously low price, as in, impossible to purchase legitimately for it. This shown all the signs of credit card fraud, and even had some users admitting to credit card fraud. However, because of how the system worked, they could only ever revoke the key page itself. To revoke the steam keys, They would have to contact the devs of the games individually, who would then have to contact Steam to get them removed, which took a long time. This new system is introduced to help mitigate that. While it won't stop the fraudsters, what it means is that the keys will be able to revoked a lot easier. Expect to see a few more changes soon to help protect against this soon, because it's a pretty damn big problem.

[QUOTE=Deiru;42722633]I see a lot of people asking why, so I'll do my best to explain for all of you. About a month or so ago, they added credit card purchasing to their website, which is a long requested feature. About the same time, a few traders started popping up who were selling the BTA bundles at a ridiculously low price, as in, impossible to purchase legitimately for it. This shown all the signs of credit card fraud, and even had some users admitting to credit card fraud. However, because of how the system worked, they could only ever revoke the key page itself. To revoke the steam keys, They would have to contact the devs of the games individually, who would then have to contact Steam to get them removed, which took a long time. [B]This new system is introduced to help mitigate that. While it won't stop the fraudsters, what it means is that the keys will be able to revoked a lot easier.[/B] Expect to see a few more changes soon to help protect against this soon, because it's a pretty damn big problem.[/QUOTE] Except the Fraudsters won't get banned or punished, just the buyer.

[QUOTE=Reshy;42722644]Except the Fraudsters won't get banned or punished, just the buyer.[/QUOTE] The main site they are doing this on works on a rep system. While it may take a little while, the negative rep will eventually get them banned.

[QUOTE=Deiru;42722718]The main site they are doing this on works on a rep system. While it may take a little while, the negative rep will eventually get them banned.[/QUOTE] Just make more accounts, like they already do.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;42721134]all this is gonna do is stop gift sales. wtf?[/QUOTE] It will also stop people from buying lots of keys with stolen credit cards, which was the main reason they did this.