Teen old who sucker punched 12-year old with brass knuckles on video facing up to 20 years in jail - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50880165]That carries with it a major misunderstanding of sociopathy. There [B]IS NO CURE[/B] for sociopathy. Sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated except in the sense of demonstrating to them successfully that their actions are going against their own self-interest. In which case, they will just find increasingly clever ways to hide their actions from the law or public scrutiny.[/QUOTE] Oh, okay then. Thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;50879395]...Remind him that assaulting people for no reason with a weapon will put him back in prison? Make sure he gets a job flipping burgers somewhere or collecting trash (which pays rather well I might add) so he can live on his own? If he's smart, he will finish school behind bars (which is possible) and also take college courses, so he can come out with the capacity and ability to work at a job that isn't terrible. Maybe when he has some basic understanding of the value of human life, and the lives of others, he can be a positive contributing member of society. By the way, 20 years in prison isn't what will destroy his life, it's his [i]actions[/i] by his own free will that will destroy his life. It was [i]his[/i] decision to blindly attack someone out of hatred, nobody else is to blame for that. Hell, you could even go as far as saying his parents are partly to blame for not raising him better, considering his age. If I was the victim, I'd want him gone from society for as long as possible, so he couldn't hurt somebody else. There's a lot of moral and ethical angles you can take when looking at this situation, with none of them being firmly right or wrong, but somewhere in between. To make a long story short, he will be spending some years behind bars for his indiscretion.[/QUOTE] I mean just look at Charles S. Dutton, he killed someone during a fight and finished his time as a completely different person. If this kid isn't some psychopathic douchebag piece of shit, he could achieve the same thing. Stop fucking defending his worthless ass and let him do the time (not directed at you).

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50880165]That carries with it a major misunderstanding of sociopathy. There [B]IS NO CURE[/B] for sociopathy. Sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated except in the sense of demonstrating to them successfully that their actions are going against their own self-interest. In which case, they will just find increasingly clever ways to hide their actions from the law or public scrutiny.[/QUOTE] I think you're mixing sociopathy with psychopathy; sociopath's can't hide their condition no matter how hard they try, or at least not on their own. they're also not inherently dangerous, although prone to angry outbursts, they're more defined by their inability to fit in with society and anti-social, behavior, and unless they're really fucked in the head or get involved in crime like any other criminal, their self-interests are about as out there as yours or mine. while you're right that there's no cure, weirder things have happened and sociopaths do have the ability to lead normal, albeit very hard, lives.

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50879930]Some people have no concept of what sociopathy is or refuse to believe it's a thing that exists.[/QUOTE] As far as I'm aware the individual in question would have to be 18 in order to be clinically diagnosed as a sociopath - therefore your claim he is a sociopath cannot be substantiated seeing as he is 16. While amateur psychologist hour is always fun to pick through I'd suggest you rethink your assertions as they can be very damaging to those involved. As for the severity of what the kid did; 10 or 20 years is a very long time to be shut out from society and unless the end goal here is to produce a person completely incapable of functioning in society for a very long while after then we shouldn't think locking him up is the right course - especially at such a young age. He should certainly be in juvenile detention for 2 years and then perhaps transferred to some kind of facility where his issues can be dealt with by professionals. There is still much personal development going on at his age and his issues can be dealt with well before he turns 36 provided the opportunity is afforded to him.

[QUOTE=snapshot32;50880397]As far as I'm aware the individual in question would have to be 18 in order to be clinically diagnosed as a sociopath - therefore your claim he is a sociopath cannot be substantiated seeing as he is 16. While amateur psychologist hour is always fun to pick through I'd suggest you rethink your assertions as they can be very damaging to those involved.[/QUOTE] that's actually a heavily debated topic, although while the diagnosis comes later in life most sociopaths are born with a minor case of the condition that gets worse over time. it's entirely possible this kid was a sociopath, but i don't know him well enough to say so, and neither does anyone else other than whoever his psychologist is.

It very clearly was a brutal attack that was completely uncalled for though he is 16 and suffering from mental health issues, the victim that was assaulted was 12 years old but it doesn't look like he'll be suffering from any lifelong injuries from what I can gather, feel free to correct me on that. Based on all this, I don't think he deserves 20 years in prison.

Is it likely the idiot who attacked a child can ever be treated for his obvious mental issues? Can you 'fix' someone like that? Sounds to me like he'll just rot in prison and suck up resources for however many years, then emerge an equally troubled adult who is most likely going to offend again. I'm glad they're not going easy on him due to his age though. This is abhorrent.

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;50880544]It very clearly was a brutal attack that was completely uncalled for though he is 16 and suffering from mental health issues, the victim that was assaulted was 12 years old but it doesn't look like he'll be suffering from any lifelong injuries from what I can gather, feel free to correct me on that. Based on all this, I don't think he deserves 20 years in prison.[/QUOTE] Almost all of his front teeth got busted. [editline]13th August 2016[/editline] He's going to be wearing dentures for the rest of his life.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;50879344]its truly amazing how some people here defend the criminal.[/QUOTE] Newsflash: [b]There are more than two sides to every argument[/b] You can defend the criminal without defending the crime. You can question the efficacy of the sentence without being apologetic to the actions that earned it. You can wish him rehabilitation and a productive future, without being sympathetic to him as a person. Let's drop this pathetic argument - or rather, appeal to emotion, because "argument" is far too strong a word. You know what I'm talking about. Whenever someone tries to look at an unsavory situation from a different point of view to further understand it, they're apologists, supporters, or sympathizers. It's like a template for discussion straight out of the McCarthy era. You did [I]anything but[/I] demonize communists, and you were on their side. Nowadays we have that with criminals, terrorists, and controversial figures in general. Maybe it's time we stopped ostracizing people who look past their prejudices, and take the unpleasant angle because they want justice, not vengeance. I've said this in another thread, I'll say it again: You cannot possibly hope to solve a problem if you're too scared to understand the problem

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50880906]Newsflash: [b]There are more than two sides to every argument[/b] You can defend the criminal without defending the crime. You can question the efficacy of the sentence without being apologetic to the actions that earned it. You can wish him rehabilitation and a productive future, without being sympathetic to him as a person. Let's drop this pathetic argument - or rather, appeal to emotion, because "argument" is far too strong a word. You know what I'm talking about. Whenever someone tries to look at an unsavory situation from a different point of view to further understand it, they're apologists, supporters, or sympathizers. It's like a template for discussion straight out of the McCarthy era. You did [I]anything but[/I] demonize communists, and you were on their side. Nowadays we have that with criminals, terrorists, and controversial figures in general. Maybe it's time we stopped ostracizing people for looking past their prejudices, and taking the unpleasant angle because they want justice, not vengeance. I've said this in another thread, I'll say it again: You cannot possibly hope to solve a problem if you're too scared to understand the problem[/QUOTE] I'm so fucking happy that someone had the balls to point this out. That shit in general has always annoyed me.

[QUOTE=Skerion;50880984]I'm so fucking happy that someone had the balls to point this out. That shit in general has always annoyed me.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately it's just a thing that we humans do. It's a lot easier for us to process 2 sides then it is 20 sides, so we attempt to generalize everyone to one side or the other and then use those generalizations to attack the side we're not on.

I think the teen did the right thing [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shit Posting" - UncleJimmema))[/highlight]

scummy move to one shot punch someone like that, a sad way to go out [editline]14th August 2016[/editline] rip dude

Christ, the victim didn't die and it doesn't seem like he got any brain injuries - why throw this kid (who obviously has some serious issues) in jail for 20 years? What's that gonna fix? That's 20 years where he won't be contributing to society, and chances are he'll continue going in and out of jail the rest of his life. I know some of you guys have a hard-on for retribution or whatever, but you kinda have the decision of either let this guy become a complete money sink for society (jail isn't free guys) or spend some money upfront to maybe put him on a better path. Murderers don't even get 20 years here in Denmark, calling for that sentence in this case is insane and definitely does not fit the crime.

Arguably anyone who murders, rapes or assaults someone is mentally ill as they show a complete lack of empathy towards their victims. After seeing the video I would say regardless of mental illness that the perp is a danger to the public and needs locking up.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50882985]Christ, the victim didn't die and it doesn't seem like he got any brain injuries - why throw this kid (who obviously has some serious issues) in jail for 20 years? What's that gonna fix? That's 20 years where he won't be contributing to society, and chances are he'll continue going in and out of jail the rest of his life. I know some of you guys have a hard-on for retribution or whatever, but you kinda have the decision of either let this guy become a complete money sink for society (jail isn't free guys) or spend some money upfront to maybe put him on a better path. Murderers don't even get 20 years here in Denmark, calling for that sentence in this case is insane and definitely does not fit the crime.[/QUOTE] He's not going to get 20 years. That's just the absolute maximum he could potentially receive, which never happens. It's similar to the reason lawyers use insanely high values of money when going to court for damages, because when it's talked down it will still fit the severity crime. It's there so there's room to work with while considering all of the details.

[QUOTE=LSK;50883125]He's not going to get 20 years. That's just the absolute maximum he could potentially receive, which never happens. It's similar to the reason lawyers use insanely high values of money when going to court for damages, because when it's talked down it will still fit the severity crime. It's there so there's room to work with while considering all of the details.[/QUOTE] I was talking about the people calling for the maximum sentence, I don't know how you got the impression that I thought he was gonna get that.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50878620]His mom said that he had been struggling with mental issues. Prison isn't going to fix a mental illness.[/QUOTE] Then mom should have started getting him help. I'm so sick of people making excuses. If you are a VIOLENT individual who committed a VIOLENT CRIME you should be locked up in prison. Simple as that, you're a threat to public safety. I don't care what your mentality is or if you have an "illness." People are sitting here and saying but-but-but it will ruin his life! He made the choice to put on brass knuckles, he made the choice to assault that kid, not only hit him once but multiple times. This kid clearly knew what he was doing and PREMEDITATED what he did. You don't just wake up one morning and say "oh jeez, i think im going to punch this kids lights out." To many people in this world are quick to make excuses for the perpetrator of a crime. Think about the victim, he deserves justice and deserves to know the person who could have easily killed him is being punished for his crimes. It's called fucking accountability and you can't hide behind the mental illness excuses every time. While he is in prison he CAN get help, there are prison psychologists and programs. There are resources for him, he can still get out and live a decent life. But again that is his choice if he wants to do that.