AirAsia QZ8501 climbed extremely fast and stalled before crashing

[JennyC6]

[QUOTE=smurfy;46972845]The captain was a highly experienced ex-Air Force pilot with 20,000 flying hours including more than 6,000 in the A320 so there must have been some serious shit going down for him to attempt such a steep climb

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia_AirAsia_Flight_8501#Passengers_and_crew[/url][/QUOTE]

Or perhaps damage to the tail feathers or control systems that would cause the elevators to deflect without pilot input? Maybe the tail stalled, dropped, and forced the nose up?

[pr00ch]

[QUOTE=download;46972794]Panic in the middle of a storm so the pilot try to go over it without any thought for the capabilities of his aircraft.[/QUOTE]

That would take a bottom of the barrel pilot, which was not the case

[Divaya]

[QUOTE=Medevila;46973682]AirAsia hasn't been around near as long as the majority of those airlines[/QUOTE]

Worthless chart? 20 years is a long time, man.

The chart also only goes back to 'fatal accidents in last 20 years', meaning it's actually a fantastic comparison.

[Fulcrum]

I was watching a documentary on [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447[/url] and it was the same thing. A pilot started to climb and because of that they stalled.

The air france one was due to instrument failure (thinking they were going too fast) and poor communication (as they were plummeting from the stall none of the other pilots know the copilot was still trying to slow them down by pitching up) might be a similar situation here. 40k hours doesn't mean anything if you aren't trained for a certain situation and/or flying blind from equipment failure, most air hours are sat babysitting the auto pilot. Commerical pilots only go manual for take offs and landings, even then sometimes only under complicated conditions like crosswinds.

[JohnFisher89]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wJxzNhvl0o[/url]

Airline desasters does a pretty good job talking about troubles pilots/planes face when shit goes wrong, just be aware these documentaries are HIGHLY addictive

[Rapscallion92]

[QUOTE=Propane Addict;46973099]I'm not 100% certain of what you're getting at...
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ouQhjI5.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Wow so Air Wisconsin yo, get in on that hype.

[Nomad]

I wonder if this is what happened as well to the other aircraft which disappeared.

[Nigademus]

[QUOTE=nomad1;46974200]I wonder if this is what happened as well to the other aircraft which disappeared.[/QUOTE]

It's possible, it has happened before, but so have many other types of airborne disasters.

[Awesomecaek]

[QUOTE=gman003-main;46972841]Okay, yeah, that's ridiculous for a passenger jet, but this guy's a bit nuts saying a fighter jet wouldn't do it. Modern fighters have a >1 TWR, you can go up faster than that literally just by pointing the nose vertical and flooring it. 6000ft/min is "only" 70mph.[/QUOTE]

That's what I thought of immediately as well but then you have to consider how often they do that in non-combat situations.

Today jet fighter engines basically cannibalize themselves when you floor it and the service time drops drastically, not to mention the fuel costs and mainly, it's not exactly safe or comfortable for the pilot, either.

I think what he meant is that even fighter jets [I]normally[/I] don't climb like that.

[Foda]

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46975187]That's what I thought of immediately as well but then you have to consider how often they do that in non-combat situations.

Today jet fighter engines basically cannibalize themselves when you floor it and the service time drops drastically, not to mention the fuel costs and mainly, it's not exactly safe or comfortable for the pilot, either.

I think what he meant is that even fighter jets [I]normally[/I] don't climb like that.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention the A320 is also pretty much impossible to stall in normal law mode...

[K0mori]

I'm placing my bet on some sort of software failure. Airbus jets have a history of making sudden, undirected movements because of bad sensors or glitches, like Quantas Flight 72.

[Hilton]

[QUOTE=matty928;46972878]As someone who is moving country on the 5th of february and is scared shitless of flying....this is not welcome information.[/QUOTE]

Hey yeah hey that's my birthday

[FunnyGamer]

Isn't this similar to what happened with the Air France 447? IIRC The pitot tubes got blocked and they were in incliment weather so they couldn't see the horizon, so they nosed way up because the instruments were saying they were going way too fast.

[Samg381]

I know this goes without saying, but adrenaline and orexin can make even the most hardened and experienced pilots think and operate much less efficiently. The human brain is wired for individual survival, and when you're controlling an aircraft full of people, individual survival reflexes and bad moves are amplified in the scale severity.

Here's a video that somewhat demonstrates this. It's unrelated to this crash I'm certain, but interesting nonetheless:
[video=youtube;_IqWal_EmBg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqWal_EmBg[/video]

[TheTalon]

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46972802]How many G's would that equate to?[/QUOTE]

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The steep angle is no big deal to an airliner, they take off at pretty insane angles. But at altitude where the air is thin as shit, a 6k a minute climb rate means the angle was insane. Like elevators jammed in the full pitch up position insane