[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52776278]Violence does have a place, but violence must be a scalpel, not a sledgehammer.
For example: If you've got a problem with a bank, you probably shouldn't burn down your entire city block rioting about the fact that you've got a problem with the bank. Instead target the bank's assets.
The key to violence is not galvanizing a resistance against you (something that BLM failed to do), its really, really, REALLY hard to get people to give a shit about a multi-billion dollar corporation losing some assets. Its really really EASY to convince people that you're evil if you're burning down mom and pop shops.[/QUOTE]
Jesus Christ calm down, the only person talking about burning down city blocks is you, BDA didn't explicity rule it out in some exception clause to their statement that's little more than, "ugh Trump out of the WH," and you're frothing at the mouth at the misconstrued opportunity to checkmate them.
[QUOTE=Cone;52776330]but what does playing your cards right actually entail? i feel like you're skipping the most important details here. how do they sell the public on it? how do they get that through the government? what happens to Republicans who pull a Freedom Caucus and vote against it? what if the government just isn't theirs at the time? and again, what if Trump just does something really stupid for no apparent reason?
like i'm not saying the US can't be subverted in this way or that the GOP wouldn't do terrible things after an attempted assassination, i just think that there's some very specific missing steps and details from assassination to state of emergency to 1984[/QUOTE]
Washington has proven by far that they no longer need the will of the people to do whatever they please. Maybe some things cause a few politicians to lose their positions, but as a whole nobody is going to be held criminally liable for selling out their country.
[QUOTE=hippowombat;52776354]Jesus Christ calm down, the only person talking about burning down city blocks is you, BDA didn't explicity rule it out in some exception clause to their statement that's little more than, "ugh Trump out of the WH," and you're frothing at the mouth at the misconstrued opportunity to checkmate them.[/QUOTE]
Peerless geniuses of herculean intellect are cursed to forever roam the earth projecting fabricated arguments onto others so that they might conquer them for internet points. My envy is palpable.
[QUOTE=FZE;52776762]Peerless geniuses of herculean intellect are cursed to forever roam the earth projecting fabricated arguments onto others so that they might conquer them for internet points. My envy is palpable.[/QUOTE]
Verily! Forsooth, my dear boy!
You know what. Fuck it. Someone please glass the US. I don't care that I'm inside it. Just. Fucking nuke it to ashes. The world will actually be a better place without it.
I hate my life. I hate this country. I just want this to stop.
[QUOTE=nagachief;52776837]You know what. Fuck it. Someone please glass the US. I don't care that I'm inside it. Just. Fucking nuke it to ashes. The world will actually be a better place without it.
I hate my life. I hate this country. I just want this to stop.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1529438"]there's a thread for part of your issues assuming you're not overreacting[/URL]
[QUOTE=nagachief;52776837]You know what. Fuck it. Someone please glass the US. I don't care that I'm inside it. Just. Fucking nuke it to ashes. The world will actually be a better place without it.
I hate my life. I hate this country. I just want this to stop.[/QUOTE]
This is the same type of mindset the Republican's have had for years, now it's reverse because they're in charge and, while legitimacy is there to be mad at them, this attitude is the toxic shit that leads people from both sides to stop cooperating with each other.
I'm so goddamnfuckinglucky that I got a new job that gives insurance through them, otherwise my son and I would be up shit creek.
[QUOTE=nagachief;52776837]You know what. Fuck it. Someone please glass the US. I don't care that I'm inside it. Just. Fucking nuke it to ashes. The world will actually be a better place without it.
I hate my life. I hate this country. I just want this to stop.[/QUOTE]
You know the fallout from North America would be catastrophic for the Northern Hemisphere.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;52776939]This is the same type of mindset the Republican's have had for years, now it's reverse because they're in charge and, while legitimacy is there to be mad at them, this attitude is the toxic shit that leads people from both sides to stop cooperating with each other.[/QUOTE]
[i]How[/i] do you even go about "cooperating" with people like that? Give in to all their demands? Because they're not going to settle for anything less at this rate.
[editline]13th October 2017[/editline]
Like seriously, I hear people throw that word around all the time (along with "compromise"), and I think they do it just because it sounds nice-- like we're all going to start holding hands, loving each other, and working together for the greater good.
But realistically, this just isn't going to happen. You can't take two diametrically-opposed sides that have completely different agendas, stick them together, and expect them to cooperate or make reasonable compromises lol.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;52776939]This is the same type of mindset the Republican's have had for years, now it's reverse because they're in charge and, while legitimacy is there to be mad at them, this attitude is the toxic shit that leads people from both sides to stop cooperating with each other.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, there's not much to really cooperate on - Republican party provides two things: Economic experimentation and reduction to personal armament limitation should the said experiments fail spectacularly.
[QUOTE=Howlthrug;52776999]You know the fallout from North America would be catastrophic for the Northern Hemisphere.[/QUOTE]
A Trump presidency is catastrophic for the whole world. Literally, the way he "runs" things.
At what point do the actions of the U.S. Government toward their citizens become as bad as the actions of countries the U.S. has invaded for their actions toward [I]their[/I] citizens? America has "liberated" citizens of other countries under rules of regimes, when do we get rescued? :hammered:
At what point do the people emigrating to foreign nations due to the way the government acts classify as "refugees"? After Trump eventually gets the First Amendment overruled? When the media isn't allowed to report their own content? When visiting websites about anti-government protests gets you doxxed and investigated? when does it become reasonable to consider america to be a 'regime' instead of a 'first world nation' or a 'bastion of freedom'?
it's sad that these questions are relevant nowadays
Asking when we can be "liberated" by foreign invasion isn't a relevant question today, nor in the history of the US, nor in the foreseeable future. Be realistic, not ridiculous...
[QUOTE=Revenge282;52777900]Asking when we can be "liberated" by foreign invasion isn't a relevant question today, nor in the history of the US, nor in the foreseeable future. Be realistic, not ridiculous...[/QUOTE]
We've burned the White House down before and we'll do it again to save our brothers and sisters! [IMG]https://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-canada.gif[/IMG]
But for serious, an invasion of the US by any nation is unlikely at best and at worst an insanely catastrophic train of fuck that would likely result in US nuclear weapons being used on targets within the US' national borders. That's no solution, no matter how batshit Trump or any intelligently-evil successor of his is. America has to pull up its big girl panties and solve its own problems, or just sit back and let the cancer consume it.
You were born just in time to decide your nation's destiny, are you excited?
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52775167]The fucker waited as close as he could until the beginning of enrollment.
Remember, don't let him pin the blame on Democrats. This is [I]his doing.[/I][/QUOTE]
"Yeah, well, this wouldn't have happened if the Democrats just let him repeal it now so he can replace it later!"
[QUOTE=Judas;52776007]Then everyone should do their duty to make sure they get as many people possible to know that this is trump and trump alone's doing[/QUOTE]
Literally nobody who supports him (still!) at this point will care because they see it as being done in their best interest: So long as he tears down that DAMNED SOCIALIST OBAMACARE they're perfectly fine with people losing their insurance or having fucked up premiums/co-pays.
[QUOTE=Quark:;52777698]At what point do the actions of the U.S. Government toward their citizens become as bad as the actions of countries the U.S. has invaded for their actions toward [I]their[/I] citizens? America has "liberated" citizens of other countries under rules of regimes, when do we get rescued? :hammered:
At what point do the people emigrating to foreign nations due to the way the government acts classify as "refugees"? After Trump eventually gets the First Amendment overruled? When the media isn't allowed to report their own content? When visiting websites about anti-government protests gets you doxxed and investigated? when does it become reasonable to consider america to be a 'regime' instead of a 'first world nation' or a 'bastion of freedom'?
it's sad that these questions are relevant nowadays[/QUOTE]
Oh god, just the TALK about someone coming in to rescue the US from itself is exactly the kind of "globalist" bullshit the hard-right is so damned scared of. I shit you not, one of my hard-right friends shared some shit talking about how kneeling during the anthem is part of a globalist agenda to weaken the US. There's no end to what they'll buy so long as it supports their fears.
Much hate and misinformation. While Trump certainly pulled the trigger so to speak on pulling out the payments it appears that a court ruled the payments were illegal.
[quote="Source in OP"]However, congressional Republicans successfully challenged in a lawsuit the Obama administration's decision to make the reimbursement payments to insurers without getting the express budgetary authorization from Congress.
Now, both California Attorney General Xavier Becerra and New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said they would file lawsuits seeking to prevent Trump from ending the subsidies.
The two were part of a group of 18 state attorneys general who were given permission this year to intervene in the pending appeal of the federal court decision that had ruled the payments were illegal given their lack of congressional authorization.[/quote]
So given he wasn't in for fighting for the payments to begin with he decided to accept the court decision. Which is inline with the US Constitution Article I, Section 8 & 9. Congress controls the purse.
[quote="White House"]Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare. In light of this analysis, the Government cannot lawfully make the cost-sharing reduction payments. The United States House of Representatives sued the previous administration in Federal court for making these payments without such an appropriation, and the court agreed that the payments were not lawful. The bailout of insurance companies through these unlawful payments is yet another example of how the previous administration abused taxpayer dollars and skirted the law to prop up a broken system. Congress needs to repeal and replace the disastrous Obamacare law and provide real relief to the American people.[/quote]
So take your fight up with Congress. Laws should not be made by executive order regardless of who is the President. This abuse of executive orders has to end. The Executive branch does not have the powers of the purse in our system of checks and balances.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;52777900]Asking when we can be "liberated" by foreign invasion isn't a relevant question today, nor in the history of the US, nor in the foreseeable future. Be realistic, not ridiculous...[/QUOTE]
3000 redcoats are on the way and will be landing on the east coast in about 3 months. Do not resist.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52778641]3000 redcoats are on the way and will be landing on the east coast in about 3 months. Do not resist.[/QUOTE]
I've been wondering why this guy on a horse is yelling outside my window while I'm trying to sleep...
[QUOTE=Revenge282;52778644]I've been wondering why this guy on a horse is yelling outside my window while I'm trying to sleep...[/QUOTE]
He is lying, remain in your bed. All is well, God Save the Queen.
[QUOTE=Kigen;52778624]Much hate and misinformation. While Trump certainly pulled the trigger so to speak on pulling out the payments it appears that a court ruled the payments were illegal.
So given he wasn't in for fighting for the payments to begin with he decided to accept the court decision. Which is inline with the US Constitution Article I, Section 8 & 9. Congress controls the purse.
So take your fight up with Congress. Laws should not be made by executive order regardless of who is the President. This abuse of executive orders has to end. The Executive branch does not have the powers of the purse in our system of checks and balances.[/QUOTE]
Fact is, he's been allowing the appeal to stand all year long. Only now, mere weeks before everyone has to choose their plan and [B]after[/B] the insurance companies have had to submit their plans to the state for listing, now that everyone depends on the system staying stable, has he decided to pull the plug.
The Obama administration's appeal was upheld by the orange cunt's administration until the damage would be most severe. Don't defend this shit. The only reason Obama had to do it via Executive Order was because Congress fucking refused to, because those payments make the ACA more appealing. [B][I]CAN'T HAVE THAT![/I][/B]
It's the Republican Congress' fault that America hasn't done fuck all with health care except try and prevent it from being improved, and then taking away what was accomplished, in eight goddamn years. And Trump's in a position to help people and encourage Congress to stabilize the ACA, but he doesn't give a flying fuck.
If Trump [I]really[/I] cared about this appeals situation he would've dealt with it on day one. You know, just as he promised that on day one he would sign an executive order repealing the ACA...and that never fucking happened, he was too busy worrying about his inauguration crowd size and how humiliating the photos made him feel.
Trump has been dangling this uncertainty in the country's face since the summer. There's absolutely no excuse for the waffling and uncertainty, and what he's done is going to hurt American citizens and potentially cause individual health insurance markets to collapse as insurers pull out, potentially leaving Americans incapable of obtaining health insurance.
Trump stood in front of a lever that said "take away health insurance from American citizens" and decided not to pull it all year long, and then he started threatening to pull it, and then his Congress did fuck all except come up with bills that'd result in as many as 33 million fewer insured citizens that failed five procedure-abusing single-party votes. [I]Now[/I] he's decided to pull the lever, at the same time as his administration has purposefully crippled the public outreach around the ACA signup process. Republicans in Congress deserve much of the blame, too, but don't you dare tell me this isn't Trump's decision and he isn't acting in bad faith. If he cared so much about rule of law he wouldn't be talking about pulling NBC's broadcast license for criticizing his incompetent ass.
I don't know why I'm so passionate about this that I wrote out such a rant in response to someone deflecting blame from Trump by pointing out the state of appeal he allowed to drop. I'm not American, my health care isn't threatened. But so many of my friends are American and this is going to fuck almost all of them over, directly or otherwise. The White House is sabotaging the ACA because Congress can't overturn it. Fucking disgusting. If this is what making America great again looks like, consider moving out before it starts becoming [I]really[/I] great.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52778853]Fact is, he's been allowing the appeal to stand all year long. Only now, mere weeks before everyone has to choose their plan and [B]after[/B] the insurance companies have had to submit their plans to the state for listing, now that everyone depends on the system staying stable, has he decided to pull the plug.
The Obama administration's appeal was upheld by the orange cunt's administration until the damage would be most severe. Don't defend this shit. The only reason Obama had to do it via Executive Order was because Congress fucking refused to, because those payments make the ACA more appealing. [B][I]CAN'T HAVE THAT![/I][/B]
It's the Republican Congress' fault that America hasn't done fuck all with health care except try and prevent it from being improved, and then taking away what was accomplished, in eight goddamn years. And Trump's in a position to help people and encourage Congress to stabilize the ACA, but he doesn't give a flying fuck.
If Trump [I]really[/I] cared about this appeals situation he would've dealt with it on day one. You know, just as he promised that on day one he would sign an executive order repealing the ACA...and that never fucking happened, he was too busy worrying about his inauguration crowd size and how humiliating the photos made him feel.
Trump has been dangling this uncertainty in the country's face since the summer. There's absolutely no excuse for the waffling and uncertainty, and what he's done is going to hurt American citizens and potentially cause individual health insurance markets to collapse as insurers pull out, potentially leaving Americans incapable of obtaining health insurance.
Trump stood in front of a lever that said "take away health insurance from American citizens" and decided not to pull it all year long, and then he started threatening to pull it, and then his Congress did fuck all except come up with bills that'd result in as many as 33 million fewer insured citizens that failed five procedure-abusing single-party votes. [I]Now[/I] he's decided to pull the lever, at the same time as his administration has purposefully crippled the public outreach around the ACA signup process. Republicans in Congress deserve much of the blame, too, but don't you dare tell me this isn't Trump's decision and he isn't acting in bad faith. If he cared so much about rule of law he wouldn't be talking about pulling NBC's broadcast license for criticizing his incompetent ass.
I don't know why I'm so passionate about this that I wrote out such a rant in response to someone deflecting blame from Trump by pointing out the state of appeal he allowed to drop. I'm not American, my health care isn't threatened. But so many of my friends are American and this is going to fuck almost all of them over, directly or otherwise. The White House is sabotaging the ACA because Congress can't overturn it. Fucking disgusting. If this is what making America great again looks like, consider moving out before it starts becoming [I]really[/I] great.[/QUOTE]
I understand the outrage but the simple fact of the matter is Obamacare was a disaster from the start. It was a half-ass attempt at providing medical insurance to everyone. Passed and implemented along partisan lines. It was doomed to fail without more bipartisan support. The simple fact of the matter is Obamacare contained many unconstitutional provision that have been thrown out in court. Appealing it (even to the Supreme Court) would have resulted in the exact same thing. The US Constitution is VERY clear. Only Congress has the power of the purse. Obama should have never done it.
The thing I despise the most is the total destruction of the checks and balances of our government. They were put there for a very good reason. The payments should have never rested on a President's executive order. Because as we can see the next President can just come in and overwrite them. Also, it's entrusting too much power on one individual. I hate the War Powers Act for the same reason.
Trump is an egotistical ass. So was Hillary and Obama. They just go about it in different ways. But the end is the same. All want power, and power concentrated on their position. I don't defend shit, I'm just stating fact that this was going to happen by court order very soon anyway. Because there is no way an appeals court or the Supreme Court would have ruled it constitutional. All appealing would do is delay the inevitable. The current situation with Trump and Congress is just the latest in a long string of partisan efforts to concentrate too much power. Because rational discussion in politics left long ago apparently. Both sides do the crap of "either you support x or you're a horrible monster."
The thing I want most is actual order to the federal government. Not all the crap that breaks laws left and right. How can the citizens be expected to respect the law when the government won't?
If one wants universal healthcare then do it properly and legally. Fight for Bernie's Medicare for all. But just no more of these crap laws that are half-assed and passed along partisan lines.
p.s., This saying really applies here, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." For me this means fighting for a good cause (getting people covered medically) but achieving it along partisan lines and by violating the US Constitution.
[QUOTE=Kigen;52778907]I understand the outrage but the simple fact of the matter is Obamacare was a disaster from the start. It was a half-ass attempt at providing medical insurance to everyone. Passed and implemented along partisan lines. It was doomed to fail without more bipartisan support. The simple fact of the matter is Obamacare contained many unconstitutional provision that have been thrown out in court. Appealing it (even to the Supreme Court) would have resulted in the exact same thing. The US Constitution is VERY clear. Only Congress has the power of the purse. Obama should have never done it.
The thing I despise the most is the total destruction of the checks and balances of our government. They were put there for a very good reason. The payments should have never rested on a President's executive order. Because as we can see the next President can just come in and overwrite them. Also, it's entrusting too much power on one individual. I hate the War Powers Act for the same reason.
Trump is an egotistical ass. So was [B]Hillary[/B] and Obama. They just go about it in different ways. But the end is the same. All want power, and power concentrated on their position. I don't defend shit, I'm just stating fact that this was going to happen by court order very soon anyway. Because there is no way an appeals court or the Supreme Court would have ruled it constitutional. All appealing would do is delay the inevitable. The current situation with Trump and Congress is just the latest in a long string of partisan efforts to concentrate too much power. Because rational discussion in politics left long ago apparently. Both sides do the crap of "either you support x or you're a horrible monster."
The thing I want most is actual order to the federal government. Not all the crap that breaks laws left and right. How can the citizens be expected to respect the law when the government won't?
If one wants universal healthcare then do it properly and legally. Fight for Bernie's Medicare for all. But just no more of these crap laws that are half-assed and passed along partisan lines.
p.s., This saying really applies here, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." For me this means fighting for a good cause (getting people covered medically) but achieving it along partisan lines and by violating the US Constitution.[/QUOTE]
Everyone needs to shut up about Hillary already, goddamn, the election was almost a year ago.
The ACA was the first attempt in ages to actually get something right for the American people and if the only thing you have to say is "it wasn't done properly" then enjoy never having proper health care because your country won't stop electing retrograde fucksmears that want to dismantle the government. Don't talk about executive overreach without discussing the Congressional deadlock that spurred it on. When Congress refuses to uphold its responsibility to actually govern, workarounds have to happen. They shouldn't, and I'll agree with you on that, but I don't see how this position is at all defensible when you consider how unwilling Republicans were to do anything but kill the ACA. They held symbolic protest votes to kill it, what, 40 fucking times, and then when they finally got power they've been completely impotent and have only been able to bring plans forward that would be infinitely worse than the broken state of the ACA.
All because Obama's name is on something. If you're worried about constitutional violations then oh boy do I have a story to tell you about the emoluments clause.
the markets and insurance companies haven't cought up to this yet, if nothing happens in the legislature in a month you'll see a lot of very pissed off people when they see the 2018 premiums.
berniecare inbound.
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