Mexican Cement CEO offers to help construction of THE WALL - Polidicks

what if the wall was a plan to stimulate the american and mexican economies all along

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;51423052]Sounds like something an edgy 12 year old would say[/QUOTE] . Very ironic.

[QUOTE=Amplar;51425239]what if the wall was a plan to stimulate the american and mexican economies all along[/QUOTE] Heres how to better do that, you take 50% of the money needed to build the wall and just give it away to the poorest people over the course of 2 years. then you take the remaining 50% and put that in an infrastructure emergency taskforce plan that find the weakest points of the infrastructure and plans out, funds and manages lasting solutions including lasting funding to keep them going and going safe. not only will this 2 prong approach IMMEDIATELY kick the economy up a notch with massive increases in expendable income in the lower classes that they can spend (or save) as they see fit... it will provide lasting economic increases through infrastructure jobs and construction projects that will enable new industry to take advantage of the infrastructure improvements. This way you can have your cake, and eat it... Or you can build a wall and do the same but spend it on something useless.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;51423513]"Accurate observation"? ""when the time comes to hang the capitalists, they'll sell us the rope" isn't an "accurate observation", it's a shitty pseudo-intellectual sentence that doesn't actually mean much except "hurr capitalist is greedy!! look at my witty sentence that I wrote"[/QUOTE] the only pseudo-intellectual here is you buddy

[QUOTE=Skanic;51423355]Why would people need to escape? If you escape your own country because you think its doomed then you are a coward.[/QUOTE] and if you think you have any sort of duty whatsoever to protect a place you were born in by chance, you're a moron

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;51423052]Sounds like something an edgy 12 year old would say, which I guess befits Stalin.[/QUOTE] Hardly something a 12 year old would say, it's a basic principle of economics showing an example of a market's desires misaligning with the public's desires due to government intervention. [editline]25th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51425756]and if you think you have any sort of duty whatsoever to protect a place you were born in by chance, you're a moron[/QUOTE] If absolutely everybody were that self-centered then nowhere on earth would be any good. You aren't obligated to fight and die to protect a location but you sure as hell don't have a guaranteed right to leave your shit country and go somewhere nicer. If everyone always just left for somewhere better instead of trying to make the country better then we'd have a single nice country with 99% of the rest of the planet being awful.

[QUOTE=phygon;51425767]If absolutely everybody were that self-centered then nowhere on earth would be any good. You aren't obligated to fight and die to protect a location but you sure as hell don't have a guaranteed right to leave your shit country and go somewhere nicer. If everyone always just left for somewhere better instead of trying to make the country better then we'd have a single nice country with 99% of the rest of the planet being awful.[/QUOTE] i only hold that mindset because i know not everyone else holds it as well. maybe when i go into phygon's fantasy land where you can only have an opinion you want everyone else to have, then i'll change my mind if i started talking about how acting is great, i doubt you'd be going "but hold on zukriuchen, if everyone was an actor we'd have nothing to eat!"

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51425756]and if you think you have any sort of duty whatsoever to protect a place you were born in by chance, you're a moron[/QUOTE] If the country didn't give you any benefits I would agree, but usually (at least in western countries) this is not the case. My country gave me free education, free therapy, the country's police forces are keeping me from harm, the country's army defends me from people who want to destroy my country and therefore me as well, and a lot more. It's only fair that I join the effort so that those who come after me will get the same privileges and even more of them. If it says I'm from France I'm not by the way, I guess my ISP is a bit confused.

[QUOTE=Bertie;51425786]If the country didn't give you any benefits I would agree, but usually (at least in western countries) this is not the case. My country gave me free education, free therapy, the country's police forces are keeping me from harm, the country's army defends me from people who want to destroy my country and therefore me as well, and a lot more. It's only fair that I join the effort so that those who come after me will get the same privileges and even more of them. If it says I'm from France I'm not by the way, I guess my ISP is a bit confused.[/QUOTE] It's a fair point, but those things aren't really free. You pay for them in the form of taxes

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51425776]i only hold that mindset because i know not everyone else holds it as well. [B]maybe when i go into phygon's fantasy land where you can only have an opinion you want everyone else to have, then i'll change my mind[/B] if i started talking about how acting is great, i doubt you'd be going "but hold on zukriuchen, if everyone was an actor we'd have nothing to eat!"[/QUOTE] What? This is such a disproportionate response Sorry for pointing out how selfish your sentiment was [editline]25th November 2016[/editline] wait, but actually not really

[QUOTE=phygon;51425833]What? This is such a disproportionate response Sorry for pointing out how selfish your sentiment was [editline]25th November 2016[/editline] wait, but actually not really[/QUOTE] i'm not sure how it's disproportionate. you could've pointed that out without the "if everyone thought like this" bit - which i now realize, is just a change of context to exemplify your point - because it's not hard to see the real silly implication here that you should only form opinions that'd work if everyone else shared them

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51424469]how so?[/QUOTE] Satisfying your desires first doesn't mean you've depleted your resources. If you've got a flat or a home, you can offer a couch to a person or two so they can immediately be gone and secure while they start assimilating and figuring out visas n work n shit. You can tutor them in the language if you have time, there's obvious financial assistance, if you've got a good job you can use nepotism to help a brutha out. stuff like that. If someone wanted to interpret that guys post to mean you shouldn't go and instead should help as many people as possible first, that's just kind of silly tbh if you hold that line of thinking consistently, unless you're a badass ascetist or something, most of us aren't.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;51423513]"Accurate observation"? ""when the time comes to hang the capitalists, they'll sell us the rope" isn't an "accurate observation", it's a shitty pseudo-intellectual sentence that doesn't actually mean much except "hurr capitalist is greedy!! look at my witty sentence that I wrote"[/QUOTE] Stalin didnt pull that quote out of his ass though, buddy... the reason the KGB was so successful in the first place was because people under a capitalist society are very easy to bribe... the quite hqs truth in it, both in the context of it being said as in the general context of capitalism... I mean we could apply this to global warming for example... big oil is literally selling us our doom and they keep selling because they make money even if it could mean the collapse of our currency as a whole and we keep buying since we need fuel to be competitive as individuals on the job market.