Obama is basically president - Let's post in this thread about the election result.
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[QUOTE=Zero-Point]Way to miss my point.
These voters... Where were they during the last elections? Did they simply magic themselves into being this time around for no particular reason? Not saying it DID happen, but there's no denying it's a possibility. Plus you have people that think "REPUBLICANS = BAD!" because of Bush, leading to a "the grass is greener" mentality which almost guaranteed Obama's victory. Now combine that with the possibility of people voting for Obama just because he's black (a black man running from president holy shit you don't see that every day!) which really doesn't determine how good of a president he will be, but hell, he's the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT HOLY SHIT! So between the idiots from column A and column B, you have a mass of new idiots voting for the wrong reasons.[/QUOTE]
Well... there are so many uneducated, ignorant voters for every one voter that's in the know, so you really just need to pray the candidate you think is right can afford advertising. Luckily people felt compelled to give money to Obama so this was true for mine hehe.
[QUOTE=thisispain]I don't think you understand what a big achievement this is for black people.[/QUOTE]
"hey guys let's vote for this guy with very little political experience [B]just because he's black[/B]"
[QUOTE=Zero-Point]Way to miss my point.
These voters... Where were they during the last elections? Did they simply magic themselves into being this time around for no particular reason? Were many of these people the people who thought "You know, it'd be awesome to be responsible for ushering in the first black president in American history!" Not saying it DID happen, but there's no denying it's a possibility. Plus you have people that think "REPUBLICANS = BAD!" because of Bush, leading to a "the grass is greener" mentality which almost guaranteed Obama's victory. Now combine that with the possibility of people voting for Obama just because he's black (a black man running from president holy shit you don't see that every day!) which really doesn't determine how good of a president he will be, but hell, he's the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT HOLY SHIT! So between the idiots from column A and column B, you have a mass of new idiots voting for the wrong reasons.[/QUOTE]
I'm absolutely not denying that a number of people voted for Obama because he's black, nor am I denying that a similar group of people voted for Bush last time around. The point that I'm getting at is whether or not it made as big of an impact as it did last time.
When Bush was running (in 2004 I mean) America was still upset about 9/11. We wanted some sort of revenge, and Bush turned our view to Iraq, pointing and saying "LOOK, THESE ARE THE BAD GUYS!" Granted, a lot of people we're fooled by this, and thought he was actually doing what was in the interest of the nation. I understand that you're going to use this as fuel for your argument, but I don't think that gullibility necessarily means stupidity. We were upset, and in that confusion, we were easily fooled.
Do you think that maybe people decided to become more informed as the result of the mishap 4 years ago? Do you think that's where these mysterious voters came from? People can be fooled, but people can also learn from their mistakes.
In the end of the 2004 elections, however, the results for the candidates came back relatively close to one another. Little less than half of the people bought it, and I think you're absolutely correct in assuming that it was the gullible/stupid people that tipped over the end result in Bush's favor, but some of those misinformed votes didn't come without reason.
Obama took the cake early into the polling. He won by a land slide. I sincerely doubt that the near 1/4 gain that he had over McCain was due entirely the ill informed/stupid.
Also. I do not think that all republicans are evil. I think that Bush and McCain were very, very poor examples, and do the republican party little justice (One of my life-time heroes is Ronald Reagan.) I appreciate the balance between Democrats and Republicans, they're the two parts that make America whole; I hold no grudges against them, but that doesn't make it my fault that the last few republicans to make it into office recently are complete idiots.
Wow, that was a lot of shit.
[b]EDIT:[/b] I keep rereading my shit, and I really feel I didn't convey what I was trying to properly. Maybe its because it's 3 in the morning and I'm tired as fuck. I apologize for being incoherent, ZP, but I did enjoy discussing this with you, even though we disagree on it.
That was probably just as incoherent as my other shit. Whatever, I'm going to bed.
well he won anyway now so who cares.
Maybe this will restore my faith in America.
ITT: Sore republican losers
I saw the election with just about a third of my school. We sat in the main hall, I personally didn't leave until 05:30 AM local time, at which point Obama had been declared winner.
[QUOTE=Kamon]I'm absolutely not denying that a number of people voted for Obama because he's black, nor am I denying that a similar group of people voted for Bush last time around. The point that I'm getting at is whether or not it made as big of an impact as it did last time.[/quote]
I never said it was definite either, just that it was very likely.
[quote]When Bush was running (in 2004 I mean) America was still upset about 9/11. We wanted some sort of revenge, and Bush turned our view to Iraq, pointing and saying "LOOK, THESE ARE THE BAD GUYS!" Granted, a lot of people we're fooled by this, and thought he was actually doing what was in the interest of the nation. I understand that you're going to use this as fuel for your argument, but I don't think that gullibility necessarily means stupidity. We were upset, and in that confusion, we were easily fooled.[/quote]
Confused to the point that people would vote that retard in AGAIN? The only reason people voted for Bush is because they thought Kerry didn't have it in him to finish what Bush started (or, to put it more bluntly, that he was a pussy). Who knows what Kerry would've really done in office? I mean hell, it's not like every president who won stuck entirely to what they campaigned for in the past. And it's not so much gullibility vs. stupidity, but a combination of the two. Many voted for Bush 'cause they thought Democrats couldn't handle the "War on Terror" well enough, and many more voted for him because they thought America could handle everything that was thrown at her, except of course for IEDs, insane oil prices, and a still-at-large, possibly dead, impossible to find jihadist- Oh wait, Bush said he'd fix all that last time he ran. We all know how well that worked out.
[quote]Do you think that maybe people decided to become more informed as the result of the mishap 4 years ago? Do you think that's where these mysterious voters came from? People can be fooled, but people can also learn from their mistakes.[/quote]
If people think that Republicans suck (which given the current fiasco we've put up with I can see why), then almost nothing is going to convince them that the Democrats may equally suck, even if they campaign for socialized anything, which basically caters to the people who would rather not work for anything, and the age-old "making firearms illegal" shtick that caters to the overly-protective soccer mom demographic. It's highly likely that he'll never pull through on this shit, but hell, why should he? It's what people voted him in for, right? ...Right?
[quote]In the end of the 2004 elections, however, the results for the candidates came back relatively close to one another. Little less than half of the people bought it, and I think you're absolutely correct in assuming that it was the gullible/stupid people that tipped over the end result in Bush's favor, but some of those misinformed votes didn't come without reason.[/quote]
You just called them gullible/stupid and you think the misinformed votes weren't without reason? Hmm...
[quote]Obama took the cake early into the polling. He won by a land slide. I sincerely doubt that the near 1/4 gain that he had over McCain was due entirely the ill informed/stupid.[/quote]
Why not? He's a Democrat, and Republicans are BAAAD, remember? Case in point, 2 people I know of voted Obama because they're tired of a Republican being in charge, one of them even voted for Bush the last time around.
[quote]Also. I do not think that all republicans are evil. I think that Bush and McCain were very, very poor examples, and do the republican party little justice (One of my life-time heroes is Ronald Reagan.) I appreciate the balance between Democrats and Republicans, they're the two parts that make America whole; I hold no grudges against them, but that doesn't make it my fault that the last few republicans to make it into office recently are complete idiots.
Wow, that was a lot of shit.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who thinks any candidate from any party is evil is out of their god-damn gourd (unless they wear a pentagram and are a member of the "Baby Eaters" party).
Well...
Somebody's got to stand up to those babies. By eating them...
johnlukeg (BE, Ca)
[QUOTE=mephis]No, just the right campaign slogan, tons of lawyers, and lots of money.[/QUOTE]
You've been outta your mind for the last 3 years, now sit down before you fall down!
I'm all for Obama, but if I see the word change one fucking time I'm gonna kill someone.
I am proud of you, America :patriot:
[QUOTE=Faunze]I'm all for Obama, but if I see the word change one fucking time I'm gonna kill someone.[/QUOTE]
Heh, I'm surprised he wasn't ridiculed even more about that, since change is not necessarily a good thing, since there is really bad change too.
Still think it's better than "My friends" at the beginning of every single sentence. God knows I would move to Canada just to escape the presidential addresses featuring 82 instances of "My friends" each.
I'm disapointed . No WWIII.
[QUOTE=Ickylevel]I'm disapointed . No WWIII.[/QUOTE]
Don't worry, it just got delayed.
Oh wow yay, I really didn't believe he'd win
Excellent
[QUOTE=mephis]Yes, the infamous video FROM AN OBAMA AD.
He also said McCain would tax health care without explaining that the tax would be what allows people to get into this health care program.
Under McCain's policy I would have been able to have health care. Under Obama's policies I'll still be without health care. Thank's America, way to go.[/QUOTE]
You know, I am seriously surprised that even when the election is over, the Republicans are still complaining about it. Well, if your that concerned about Obama being a president, then why don't you just move to Mexico. Because the Democrats are moving into the government!
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[QUOTE=mephis]If I don't fight, who will?[/QUOTE]
Another crazy republican who can't understand that the democrats will change the world for the greater good.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point]The fact that Bush won TWICE shows that there's more than "a small group of idiots" out there voting for candidates for the wrong reasons.[/QUOTE]
I would blame the electoral college for that. Kerry was big in popular vote. I wish Al Gore was running though.
[QUOTE=mephis]I predict racism in America, on both sides, to become a big issue in the next couple years.[/QUOTE]
It's not that it wasn't an issue before so much as that this has potential to violently bring it forward.
[QUOTE=thisispain]I don't think you understand what a big achievement this is for black people.[/QUOTE]
But if that's your only reason voting for him, you deserve to be lynched.
Nobody gets "their turn". I'm pretty sick of seeing nothing on the news except "oh god what a historic moment for my people." We didn't have an election so we could have a black man set a record, we had an election to determine who's going to be leading our nation next.
[QUOTE=johnlukeg]Most Republican votes are just because they believe in "Strong Christian Values", and for some reason the Republican party epitomizes that to them. Blindly voting happens just as much if not more for Republicans.[/QUOTE]
I guess people who vote Republican because they prefer to keep taxes low and the government small don't exist anymore.
[QUOTE=Sam Tilgan]He's going to destroy America and it's constitution. Just you people watch.
I would also like to congratulate the general media for not reporting a single bad thing about Obama the entire campaign, covering up everything that might damage him, while giving him enough praise to make most people's eardrums burst.[/QUOTE]
The media is his guarantee for an eight year term, because they're going to treat him like the messiah. Any and all fuckups will be ignored, or just sorta swept under the rug with a little chuckle, laugh track and a "That's my Obama!"
He's not going to destroy the constitution any more than McCain would've though, so it's not that big a deal.
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[QUOTE=obiwansexobi]Another crazy republican who can't understand that the democrats will change the world for the greater good.[/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHA
Good one
lemme know how the new world is turning out for you in 2016 when you're under a republican again
Fuck, I feel all happy all over.
:patriot:
how long you want to bet before bush declares martial law and turns this place fascist
Yes! The world is saved! Sieg Heil!
Seriously, I can't believe he won. I may not be american, but the whole campaign has had an effect on me.
[QUOTE=mephis]As I've already said.
America will suffer the consequences of voting out of emotion. Remember what happened the last time we did something out of emotion? Yea well, we're paying for that with our economy and the never ending war on terrorism.
I guess everyone was clueless as to his voting record. That was certainly apparent among the majority of people I encountered when I was voting.
"Hey, he's black! We have to vote for him or we're racist!" seemed to be the topic of the day there.[/QUOTE]
What the [i]fuck[/i]
are you going on about?
[QUOTE=Roboticist]
lemme know how the new world is turning out for you in 2016 when you're under a republican again[/QUOTE]
2012.
:v:
RON PAUL '08
[QUOTE=thisispain]I don't think you understand what a big achievement this is for black people.[/QUOTE]
Indeed it is, but that doesn't change the fact that they had their opinions swayed by the color of the mans skin, which basically proves Mephis' point.
May i present to you
[url]http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sarah_Palin[/url]
It's not a very good source of facts at all, but it's worth the read.
But seriously I'm Australian and i followed the election pretty closely because you know what ever happens in America effects the whole world. But people are just using the fact that he's black to discredit why people actually voted for him. Is there even the slightest chance that people voted for him because of his policy's and the fact that he's [b]NOT[/b] a Republican, i think the world has had enough of right wing politics for a while.
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[quote=mephis]
I live in the center of the fucking country, nukes aren't a concern.
If kalifornia was nuked, I'd cheer.[/quote]
Never mind all the radiation poisoning and shit like that, that would cover most of America and friends.
Wh-what is this I'm feeling? O-optimism for America? The hope that we will return to being the greatest country in the world, a title we have been missing since the eighties? A death to the foul Neoconservative machine that has been plaguing American politics?
Obama! Obama!:patriot:
Someone edit the damned topic of this thread. The term is [I]President-elect[/I]. Use it instead of 'basically president'.
[QUOTE=mephis]It's already perfectly clear racism is a big issue.
92% of black voters, voted for Obama.
That's too big of a margin to not be racism.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, just like in the global polls where Obama was preferred by a similar margin. Fucking racist white Europeans and Australians wanting a black man as president of the USA. Fuck them.
They be keepin' the white man down!
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