DirectX 11 is getting ported to Linux through CodeWeavers' CrossOver, and will get included into WIN - Polidicks

[QUOTE]In other words, more Windows PC games will “just run” on Linux[/QUOTE] So "It just works"?

[QUOTE=zerosix;48075391]100% of people that complain about microsoft/windows are people that think they're cool as fuck for using linux [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] which it doesn't, so there's no point being awkward and inconveniencing yourself by using linux. i agree using it on older systems that are only being used for web browsing isn't a problem, but solely using linux because you dislike bill gates is dumb as fuck[/QUOTE] Linux is a better development platform, IMO, and the only software side of things that it lacks in is videogames, and I don't really play videogames that much anymore. Steam is pushing more and more people to develop for linux by not supporting wine, so devs don't use it as a crutch. As for other software, I have always been able to find a free equivalent of a windows program on linux. this isn't a problem But computation is moving more and more towards web apps. In this case, why go with the expensive, unfree, and less customizable OS, when you have the cheap, free, and extremely customizable OS (Linux) if all you're doing is accessing the internet (which both can do equally well). IMO there are only 2 reasons people shouldn't use a desktop linux OS: They want to play every major game, or they're not as good with computers (though things like Ubuntu are meant to solve this)

[QUOTE=lavacano;48077857]If it was illegal MS probably would have slammed Wine/Crossover for it a long time ago, if not for the Windows layer itself then definitely DirectX[/QUOTE] It's technically illegal since the Oracle v. Google ruling, but I don't think they're retarded enough to try that.

[QUOTE=Lanopo;48078219]Are you o.k. with having someone else having backdoor access into your computer for the sake of luxuries?[/QUOTE] The government has your data. Each and every fucking bit of it. No amount of paranoid tinfoiling is going to change it. Every NIC, every ISP, every router, [b]everything[/b] at some point reports shit to the government. And of course it's not going to show up on any sort of network monitoring scan, because it's part of the data they send to your ISP, you just see traffic to and from your ISP and the systems there report it to the NSA. It's not just your digital data either, they know everything. That girl you were crushing on in middle school? They know who it is, who her husband is now, and what she had for lunch today. That really embarrassing night in the woods you made your buddy swear never to tell anyone? They know about it. So yeah, picking an operating system because "omg bakdoorz!!!1" is not only stupid, it's futile. You want the government to not have your data? Fucking do something about it. Call your rep. If they use the data against you, call them out on illegal search and seizure. You can't avoid them, so fight them. (Final note, Linux probably has a backdoor hidden somewhere as well, considering Torvalds' response every time you ask about it)

[QUOTE=Tobba;48079846]It's technically illegal since the Oracle v. Google ruling, but I don't think they're retarded enough to try that.[/QUOTE] not really. to make directx work on linux all you have to do is build out the api end-points that directx is looking for when making calls to the driver -- you're not using copyrighted APIs in your own implementation, but rather just returning values that the code expects you to return (this is what pretty much any device driver does).

[QUOTE=lavacano;48081332] (Final note, Linux probably has a backdoor hidden somewhere as well, considering Torvalds' response every time you ask about it)[/QUOTE] Well not really. It's open source, you can't really hide a backdoor in that. At least not in a community filled with programmers and other tech savvy developers.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48081642]Well not really. It's open source, you can't really hide a backdoor in that. At least not in a community filled with programmers and other tech savvy developers.[/QUOTE] Accidental security vulnerabilities often remain in open source projects for years. What makes you think it's different for deliberately inserted ones? Especially since [url=http://underhanded-c.org]you would try to make them as hard to find and innocuous-looking as possible[/url].

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;48076148]Linux might have better support from hardware and software companies if it didn't have 10 million forks...[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you're confusing Linux the kernel (what all the hardware support relates to) and GNU/Linux the OS. There are only like 3/4 big Linux distribution families (depending on how you count) and in each family all of the software is the same, the only thing that changes is really preinstalled software and theming.

[QUOTE=Foda;48081638]not really. to make directx work on linux all you have to do is build out the api end-points that directx is looking for when making calls to the driver -- you're not using copyrighted APIs in your own implementation, but rather just returning values that the code expects you to return (this is what pretty much any device driver does).[/QUOTE] That's exactly what implementing an API is, and what the ruling was against. You need to write a set of DirectX 11 DLLs which are API and ABI compatible with the Microsoft ones for DX11 in Wine to work.

[QUOTE=Tone Float;48076172]not true! there's mac users too hey now, I can use linux on a new PC without "being awkward" or "inconveniencing myself", AND without doing it "because I dislike bill gates"[/QUOTE] Yeah, at least until you take ubuntu for a spin after a few years again and find out that the newest version has bugs like a nonworking mouse on a huge number of systems, random bugs that show up here and there and the need to deal with a CLI and config files in 2015 as a normal consumer in order to get some things running from time to time. That's actually inconveniencing yourself. Still dx11 support for wine is cool. Hope it's a bit better than the lackluster dx9 which still has a ton of issues. [QUOTE=Lanopo;48078219]Are you o.k. with having someone else having backdoor access into your computer for the sake of luxuries?[/QUOTE] Considering I'm not a developer I have no clue way to double check if the linux kernel, various binary blobs or hell even hardware firmware have built in backdoors. And before you say - but others have checked the kernel! - there's plenty of bugs in it or various distros, binary blobs can't really be checked easily and as to firmware- have fun.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;48084568]Yeah, at least until you take ubuntu for a spin after a few years again and find out that the newest version has bugs like a nonworking mouse on a huge number of systems, random bugs that show up here and there and the need to deal with a CLI and config files in 2015 as a normal consumer in order to get some things running from time to time. That's actually inconveniencing yourself. Still dx11 support for wine is cool. Hope it's a bit better than the lackluster dx9 which still has a ton of issues.[/QUOTE] That's not "Linux" so much as "Ubuntu". It's been widely known for a couple years at least that Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, is just incompetent. And Mark Shuttleworth, their CEO, is just a monstrous prick. This is why I usually tell first timers to Linux to use Mint. It's derivative from Ubuntu so all the "easy" bits are still there, but has the advantage of not being run by morons so it's not likely to explode on you. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] also the CLI on Linux is actually useful, and straightforward to use, as opposed to the CLI on Windows which is just a goddamn nightmare

[QUOTE=lavacano;48084665]That's not "Linux" so much as "Ubuntu". It's been widely known for a couple years at least that Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, is just incompetent. And Mark Shuttleworth, their CEO, is just a monstrous prick. This is why I usually tell first timers to Linux to use Mint. It's derivative from Ubuntu so all the "easy" bits are still there, but has the advantage of not being run by morons so it's not likely to explode on you. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] also the CLI on Linux is actually useful, and straightforward to use, as opposed to the CLI on Windows which is just a goddamn nightmare[/QUOTE] yeah to make the command prompt actually useful most people will tell you to install cygwin.... which effectively just gives you a nix environment and bash shell.

[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;48075366]It's kinda obvious once you use a good linux distro that it would be a much better O.S than Windows if only it had as much support from software and hardware companies as Windows does.[/QUOTE] It's just that predicament of [t]https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png[/t] I am sure there are plenty of distros that have the potential to be fucking amazing given the resources and support, but they're not so I just don't bother. I still think Linux is only ideal for low budget desktop/laptop hardware, IOT devices and as a base for cool things like Android and the Raspberry Pi.

[QUOTE=Velocet;48084760]I still think Linux is only ideal for low budget desktop/laptop hardware, IOT devices and as a base for cool things like Android and the Raspberry Pi.[/QUOTE] why? i have a $1500 8 month old laptop and ubuntu runs fine for me [editline]30th June 2015[/editline] i mean it depends what youre doing.

[QUOTE=lavacano;48084665]That's not "Linux" so much as "Ubuntu". It's been widely known for a couple years at least that Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, is just incompetent. And Mark Shuttleworth, their CEO, is just a monstrous prick. This is why I usually tell first timers to Linux to use Mint. It's derivative from Ubuntu so all the "easy" bits are still there, but has the advantage of not being run by morons so it's not likely to explode on you. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] also the CLI on Linux is actually useful, and straightforward to use, as opposed to the CLI on Windows which is just a goddamn nightmare[/QUOTE] Not going to lie, I would take Powershell over Bash any day. Wish there was a Linux equivalent.

[QUOTE=Foda;48081638]not really. to make directx work on linux all you have to do is build out the api end-points that directx is looking for when making calls to the driver -- you're not using copyrighted APIs in your own implementation, but rather just returning values that the code expects you to return (this is what pretty much any device driver does).[/QUOTE] Which is exactly what the Oracle vs Google and Oracle vs Microsoft rulings where about. "API" refers to the front end the "I" in API means "Interface"

[QUOTE=Demache;48084812]Not going to lie, I would take Powershell over Bash any day. Wish there was a Linux equivalent.[/QUOTE] I don't know about "equivalent", but there are a bunch of shells that can be run instead of bash and provide more and/or improved features. I use zsh myself, but fish is also a popular one

[QUOTE=lavacano;48081332]The government has your data. Each and every fucking bit of it. No amount of paranoid tinfoiling is going to change it.[/QUOTE] Not unless you're Anakata [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt-QBwDIUAAKAXL.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=lavacano;48084665]That's not "Linux" so much as "Ubuntu". It's been widely known for a couple years at least that Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, is just incompetent. And Mark Shuttleworth, their CEO, is just a monstrous prick. This is why I usually tell first timers to Linux to use Mint. It's derivative from Ubuntu so all the "easy" bits are still there, but has the advantage of not being run by morons so it's not likely to explode on you. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] also the CLI on Linux is actually useful, and straightforward to use, as opposed to the CLI on Windows which is just a goddamn nightmare[/QUOTE] What is powershell. The thing is, people who are proponents of a CLI don't understand, that expecting CLI use in 2015 from the average user is just idiocy. Many average users have trouble discerning a shortcut from the application or file it's pointed to. Often have issues understanding even very intuitive interfaces. Needing them to use a CLI, which offers zero visual feedback and requires a relatively high treshhold of foreknowledge to use just isn't feasible. Just take it this way. I need to get to user\home\folderx\file. If I'm using a normal explorer, I can just drill down there by visually clicking on the folders as they come. Or I can type in the address, works as well. In order to get somewhere in a CLI, I actually have to know the cd command. Without it, I'm stuck. Yes, a CLI is very useful for a number of tasks, there's no denying that. That's not even getting to the question of where and when is using a CLI a good idea. As to canonical. Here's another can of worms. Ubuntu is the distro most people will associate with desktop linux. They've had the best marketing, were one of the only ones to get on computers, are often cited as the get to distro (even valve used it in their guide back then) and are one of the few who offer an install from windows option (even if it's deeply flawed). Sure, there's mint, there's gentoo, there's countless debian based distros. Or hey, what about using some old timers like slackware or mandrake. There's puppy linux or DSL. Desktop shells also vary incredibly from flux to KDE to tiling ones. Either, when you're a user and put between the choice of a free, but often flawed system, or one where the cost if often hidden to you (few build desktop computers) and which just works, what will you rather pick. Yes, you, me and others who compromise a small segment of the general population would have no long term issues using the system and would be able to fix a lot of bugs. But at the end of the you have to ask yourself if it is worth it. Mind you, this is not me dissing all scenarios where linux based systems are very amazing. There's a reason why so many embedded devices run a system based on the kernel. Or why it's quite popular among server hardware. operating systems based on the linux kernel have their use and their place, but not among the general populace. The only exception to this day really is android. And it still manages to have a less easy to use UI compared to ios (or according to me) WP.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;48098246]Mind you, this is not me dissing all scenarios where linux based systems are very amazing. There's a reason why so many embedded devices run a system based on the kernel. Or why it's quite popular among server hardware. operating systems based on the linux kernel have their use and their place, but not among the general populace. The only exception to this day really is android. And it still manages to have a less easy to use UI compared to ios (or according to me) WP.[/QUOTE] And the kernel has absolutely nothing to do with it. The average user would notice absolutely no difference between Debian GNU/Linux and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. Meanwhile, Android would look and feel the same as it does now if it happened to run on the Windows NT kernel. What makes Desktop Linux™ is more than the sum of its parts, let alone any one particular part.