Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52238492]So why did you have an issue with Washington Post being used as a source if you had no qualms using it yourself? :thinking:[/QUOTE] Alright lets post this for the 1,000th time [B]Sometimes they rush stories to be the first to break them, which leads to poor sourcing. This has occurred on a few occasions in 2016.[/B] They've had issues since election season, and they're very poor at hiding their bias. This was a breaking story. They relied on nameless current and former "US Officials" for their story. The first agency to add to the story was fucking Buzzfeed. You seeing red flags yet? That's a massive difference in using them for what they're pretty good at, providing transcripts. My Hillary thread was just that, a transcript from a sit down interview(with some added reporting). And I sourced them earlier for McCabe's transcript of his testimony to the Senate.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52238517] The first agency to add to the story was fucking Buzzfeed. You seeing red flags yet? [/QUOTE] Considering other news outlets verified the story too, shortly thereafter, I don't really see the concern?

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52238517]Alright lets post this for the 1,000th time [B]Sometimes they rush stories to be the first to break them, which leads to poor sourcing. This has occurred on a few occasions in 2016.[/B] They've had issues since election season, and they're very poor at hiding their bias. This was a breaking story. They relied on nameless current and former "US Officials" for their story. The first agency to add to the story was fucking Buzzfeed. You seeing red flags yet? That's a massive difference in using them for what they're pretty good at, providing transcripts. My Hillary thread was just that, a transcript from a sit down interview(with some added reporting). And I sourced them earlier for McCabe's transcript of his testimony to the Senate.[/QUOTE] So why did you edit the title? Why did, after many had independently verified the story, not accept it as true until Trump stated it? Why do you keep copy pasting a line from [URL="https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/"]this site[/URL] that doesn't have any links, in fact, to the stories it's talking about? Why were you not weary of the transcript in any way? By the way - isn't Buzzfeed News considered fairly reliable in comparison to actual Buzzfeed? Washington Post also won the Pulitzer Prize last year - seems they are fairly reputable despite these articles you keep saying were posted too fast... and haven't backed up from your posts.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52238531]Considering other news outlets verified the story too, shortly thereafter, I don't really see the concern?[/QUOTE] [url]http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/15/only-named-source-in-wapo-report-on-trumps-leaking-of-classified-information-denies-it/[/url] [quote]Buzzfeed corroborated the story, which cited two anonymous U.S. officials. White House National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, the only identified source in WaPo’s report, denies that the president leaked information the U.S. government deemed classified.[/quote] everyone ran with this story and the washington post published it because john podesta works at the washington post. this story was released an hour after stories popped up claiming the man seth rich, who was murdered in a supposed "botched mugging", was talking to wikileaks about DNC leaks. you waking up yet?

[QUOTE=TheJoey;52238539][url]http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/15/only-named-source-in-wapo-report-on-trumps-leaking-of-classified-information-denies-it/[/url] [/QUOTE] [url]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-caller/[/url] [B]Right Bias[/B] [B]Factual Reporting: MIXED[/B] [QUOTE] everyone ran with this story and the washington post published it because john podesta works at the washington post. [/QUOTE] The White House is obviously inclined to lie if they are compromised and are trying to deflect attention away from controversies such as these. Read this quote below by BDA for a better summary: [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52234596]Just to summarize this situation: 1) Trump is accused of committing treason. It is alleged that the rampant hacking and sabotage campaigns launched against the Democratic party were at the hands of the Russian government, in cooperation with the upcoming Trump administration. In exchange for helping him seize political power, he dramatically softens GOP party policy regarding several key issues relevant to Russian interests. 2) A mountain of circumstantial evidence builds to support this theory. Trump, and several of his key advisers, have deep ties to Russia. It is revealed that a series of undisclosed communications of unknown subject matter took place between Trump campaign advisers and Russian government operatives took place. 3) A formal investigation is launched by the FBI, under the directorship of James Comey. 4) After about six weeks, Comey announces that the investigation needs to increase in scope, and that further funding, manpower, and resources are needed to follow through on leads. 5) Immediately after the request is made, Trump abruptly and unceremoniously fires Comey. His administration begins slandering Comey, calling him a "showboat" and accusing him of being "terrible at his job." The primary reason cited for his dismissal is Comey's handling of the Clinton email investigation -- something which the administration had openly praised him for only a week prior. 6) Donald Trump publicly blackmails Comey on Twitter, warning him not to talk to the press under the threat of releasing potentially incriminating "tapes" 7) Trump publicly admits that the actual reason he fired Comey was actually because of the Russian investigation. He wanted to bring it to an end. 8) The White House receives a visit from Russian government figures, one of which has already been implicated in espionage activities in the United States. 9) US press is barred from the meeting. Russian state press is not. 10) Donald Trump gives the Russian operative extremely sensitive national security information. [I]But no, there's probably nothing to be concerned about.[/I][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]this story was released an hour after stories popped up claiming the man seth rich, who was murdered in a supposed "botched mugging", was talking to wikileaks about DNC leaks. you waking up yet?[/QUOTE] :tinfoil: :pyramid:

[QUOTE=TheJoey;52238539]everyone ran with this story and the washington post published it because john podesta works at the washington post.[/QUOTE] ...as a columnist? As in he occasionally writes opinion pieces, that's the extent of his power over the washington post. it's really funny that you're trying to say covering trump's fuckup is just a ploy to cover up this bogus seth rich story. "wake up you sheeple, the democrats are the real corrupt ones" literally

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52238526]Did you see any red flags when you watched the press release or read Trump's tweets, which confirmed the article in question?[/QUOTE] If Tillerson was the mouth piece, yea I'd prolly go ehh. Everyone on this board fuckin loves Mattis and while McMaster doesn't have the same recognition, he's cut from the same cloth. He has vocally pushed back against Trump and he does his own thing. If he says nothing happened, I'm inclined to believe him over former officials. A dude like that isn't going to risk his career and credibility for anyone. And Trump's tweets add nothing substantial. [QUOTE] As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism.[/QUOTE] That doesn't confirm anything from WaPo's article. Furthermore, even if he did do something wrong Israel doesn't seem to give a fuck. [QUOTE]"Israel has full confidence in our intelligence sharing relationship with the United States and looks forward to deepening that relationship in the years ahead under President Trump," Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer said[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheJoey;52238539][url]http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/15/only-named-source-in-wapo-report-on-trumps-leaking-of-classified-information-denies-it/[/url] everyone ran with this story and the washington post published it because john podesta works at the washington post. this story was released an hour after stories popped up claiming the man seth rich, who was murdered in a supposed "botched mugging", was talking to wikileaks about DNC leaks. you waking up yet?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=TheJoey;52238539][url]http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/15/only-named-source-in-wapo-report-on-trumps-leaking-of-classified-information-denies-it/[/url] everyone ran with this story and the washington post published it because john podesta works at the washington post. this story was released an hour after stories popped up claiming the man seth rich, who was murdered in a supposed "botched mugging", was talking to wikileaks about DNC leaks. you waking up yet?[/QUOTE] You post a website with a [url=https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-caller/]right wing bias[/url] and a fucking [url=http://www.politifact.com/personalities/daily-caller/]awful politifact record[/url] to support your claim that the DNC had someone [I]killed[/I]. You've fallen into a pit of lies and think that we're the ones who need to wake up. It's time to wean yourself off the opium and face reality like a big boy.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52238563]If Tillerson was the mouth piece, yea I'd prolly go ehh. Everyone on this board fuckin loves Mattis and while McMaster doesn't have the same recognition, he's cut from the same cloth. He has vocally pushed back against Trump and he does his own thing. If he says nothing happened, I'm inclined to believe him over former officials. A dude like that isn't going to risk his career and credibility for anyone.[/QUOTE] McMaster also didn't really deny what the story was reporting

TheJoey sees nesto throw himself on his sword repeatedly and calls it pussy shit, goes farther than calling WaPo biased and occassionally misleading but outright fabricating a story to cover up the murder of Seth Rich by the FBI/DNC/Globalist illuminati. [editline]16th May 2017[/editline] Small flaw with your theory: the Seth Rich story dropped after the story about the classified info release.

Can I just take a moment to say how nice it is to see people actually checking the credibility and history of the sources being used against third party bias and fact checking websites, and calling out bad sources when they see them? [editline]16th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;52238581]For the love of god make a seperate thread about Seth Rich. Please please please please please. People here are letting it slide![/QUOTE] Already locked two threads on it today for not being able to provide reliable sources. Find a credible source on the story that meets the thread creation guidelines in the subforum rules, and you can post one. Weirdly, though, a credible source hadn't picked the story up yet as of the last time I checked. [I]I can't imagine why.[/I]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52238643]Can I just take a moment to say how nice it is to see people actually checking the credibility and history of the sources being used against third party bias and fact checking websites, and calling out bad sources when they see them? [editline]16th May 2017[/editline] Already locked two threads on it today for not being able to provide reliable sources. Find a credible source on the story that meets the thread creation guidelines in the subforum rules, and you can post one. Weirdly, though, a credible source hadn't picked the story up yet as of the last time I checked. [I]I can't imagine why.[/I][/QUOTE] I found a [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/family-of-slain-seth-rich-says-reports-he-fed-wikileaks-dnc-info-are-untrue/2017/05/16/9b32ef9c-3a46-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.4d2b12d340ba"]credible source[/URL] saying it's horseshit but I don't really think it's newsworthy.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52238677]I found a [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/family-of-slain-seth-rich-says-reports-he-fed-wikileaks-dnc-info-are-untrue/2017/05/16/9b32ef9c-3a46-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.4d2b12d340ba"]credible source[/URL] saying it's horseshit but I don't really think it's newsworthy.[/QUOTE] Wait a minute... you're not implying that this story, pushed as the breaking news headlining story by Fox News all day long starting within minutes after the ball dropped on Trump's leak to the Russian Government, might have been a fabricated distraction to divert viewer attentions away from the [I]actual[/I] events on Capital Hill, are you? Surely Fox would never do such a thing.

So uh how likely is impeachment

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52238677]I found a [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/family-of-slain-seth-rich-says-reports-he-fed-wikileaks-dnc-info-are-untrue/2017/05/16/9b32ef9c-3a46-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.4d2b12d340ba"]credible source[/URL] saying it's horseshit but I don't really think it's newsworthy.[/QUOTE] You just haven't 'woken up' as to what real facts are. [editline]17th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=froztshock;52238566]You post a website with a [url=https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-caller/]right wing bias[/url] and a fucking [url=http://www.politifact.com/personalities/daily-caller/]awful politifact record[/url] to support your claim that the DNC had someone [I]killed[/I].[/QUOTE] I don't really follow sources that much, but the cluster fuck of news lately has made me glad sites like these exist. If I wanted to post a source on political news I'd go straight to these sites to make sure I'm doing the right thing. That someone could fuck up so badly and post a hard right news source on the doings of the left baffles me.

[QUOTE=Fox Powers;52238705]So uh how likely is impeachment[/QUOTE] id say like 25% chance as of right now

[QUOTE=Fox Powers;52238705]So uh how likely is impeachment[/QUOTE] How likely? Hard to say. But there are certainly legitimate grounds to seriously consider it now, and it's being openly discussed. Senator King, of the Senate Intelligence Committee, had the following to say when asked whether or not today's developments could be setting the stage for an impeachment: "Reluctantly[...], I have to say yes, simply because obstruction of justice is such a serious offense." I'd say that an impeachment is a very real possibility right now (and, in my opinion, is absolutely necessary). However, at the [I]very least[/I], this essentially guarantees that there will finally be a special prosecutor appointed and/or independent investigative committee formed to investigate the crimes that Trump has committed, which spells good news for the country, and for the FBI's investigation into the treason charges.

impeachment does not mean removal, remember.

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;52238707]You just haven't 'woken up' as to what real facts are. [editline]17th May 2017[/editline] I don't really follow sources that much, but the cluster fuck of news lately has made me glad sites like these exist. If I wanted to post a source on political news I'd go straight to these sites to make sure I'm doing the right thing. That someone could fuck up so badly and post a hard right news source on the doings of the left baffles me.[/QUOTE] Honestly not sure how much good it does- A lot of the right doesn't trust these sites anymore. I know that posting Politifact is actually an automatic ban condition on T_D. But I haven't seen any relatively neutral individual make a point about them being inaccurate so I still kinda' go with 'em.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52238828]How likely? Hard to say. [B]But there are certainly legitimate grounds to seriously consider it now, and it's being openly discussed.[/B] Senator King, of the Senate Intelligence Committee, had the following to say when asked whether or not today's developments could be setting the stage for an impeachment: "Reluctantly[...], I have to say yes, simply because obstruction of justice is such a serious offense." I'd say that an impeachment is a very real possibility right now (and, in my opinion, is absolutely necessary). However, at the [I]very least[/I], this essentially guarantees that there will finally be a special prosecutor appointed and/or independent investigative committee formed to investigate the crimes that Trump has committed, which spells good news for the country, and for the FBI's investigation into the treason charges.[/QUOTE] This part is really important, and where, I personally feel, we have entered into an irreversible change for the current administration and it's public view. Not [I]necessarily[/I] towards impeachment as a sure thing, but certainly something. You just don't hear "the I word" outside of historical context all that often, it's almost like a swear on news networks and things. It's a topic that is avoided, it's a serious thing that isn't brought up under normal circumstances. You don't hear anchors and interviewees actually saying things about impeachment on TV about this current administration for everyone to hear. Not unless things are very contentious within the Hill as they are without. It's like an official reason for the Capitol to air it's dirty laundry, to fly a giant, nationwide flag that says "WE FUCKED UP" and if it's even being mentioned at all in an official sense, like you quoted above, it's a big deal.

[QUOTE=froztshock;52238929]Honestly not sure how much good it does- A lot of the right doesn't trust these sites anymore. I know that posting Politifact is actually an automatic ban condition on T_D. But I haven't seen any relatively neutral individual make a point about them being inaccurate so I still kinda' go with 'em.[/QUOTE] Well when you think of it, people who have a problem questioning their beliefs or belief systems, such as most die-hards on both sides of the political spectrum, aren't exactly the best examples to use when it comes to trust. For them, the cognitive dissonance between reality and their own interpretations has spun away so far they will outright refuse to believe the truth from a known unbiased source, just to keep their delusions intact. Confronting your beliefs that you've held for a long while can be sufficient to break a person of little mental fortitude to withstand such changes in their worldview, and many people are unconsciously afraid of this, especially the not so well informed.

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;52239109]Holy fucking shit, today has been an intense day with Trump.[/QUOTE] It's been an intense [I]year[/I] At this point I just want the belligerent homonculus out of power so I can stop worrying and go back to finding him a hilariously inept businessman whose actions aren't threatening geopolitical stability on a global scale

Do we know if Trump is freaking out, yet?

[QUOTE=sYnced;52239332]Do we know if Trump is freaking out, yet?[/QUOTE] Well allegedly [QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52237853][media]https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/864614690797834241[/media] :wow:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=C0linSSX;52239344]Well allegedly[/QUOTE] Thank you for the quick quote.. juicy info. I admit that I rarely read other peoples' posts. Yes, hopefully THIS EVENT results in a stress-induced-cardiac- arrest; enabling him to resign due to health and mental issues, which is, infinitely more likely than impeachment, at this point in politics.

[QUOTE=sYnced;52239355]Thank you for the quick quote.. juicy info. I admit that I rarely read other peoples' posts. Yes, hopefully THIS EVENT results in a stress-induced-cardiac- arrest; enabling him to resign due to health and mental issues, which is, infinitely more likely than impeachment, at this point in politics.[/QUOTE] Hopefully not. I would prefer real justice, any day of the week. Drag this sonofabitch through the impeachment process and tear down his corrupt regime brick by brick. Decimate his legacy as a president, and then send him to prison for the rest of his life. If he resigns due to health, he will never have to admit to the fact that he was an abject failure who was ripped from office due to his incompetence and corruption.

While it's shitty that trump did this, if it's such a big secret then why would officials be willing to tell news outlets about intelligence that's considered this important? Just because Russia knows about it and tells Iran about it doesn't mean that it's free to spread around. Also, Iran is anti ISIS, why would they care about Israel having a spy in ISIS or ISIS having a plot to bomb US planes?

We don't know fine details, so it is hard to say. Hopefully breach of confidentiality is bigger issue than ramifications of the leak. It will probably hurt US intelligence operations a ton since tjeir allies are less eager to share information, lest some buffoon blurt them outspontaneously. And why speak publicly? Perhaps they have already extracted the spy, perhaps they were first told of the particular leak?

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;52236444]Just incase it was missed, NYT just confirmed the ally in question was Israel[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52232784]I bet the ally is Israel, and boy will they be fucking pissed if Trump's selling them out.[/QUOTE] Called it! Here we go, Trump has touched the third rail. [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/13/us-spies-warned-israel-not-share-intelligence-trump/"]America's spies were warning Israel against sharing secrets with Trump's America four months ago.[/URL] I bet they weren't expecting it'd happen in the Oval Office in front of Russian state media with no US media allowed in.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52239455]Hopefully not. I would prefer real justice, any day of the week. Drag this sonofabitch through the impeachment process and tear down his corrupt regime brick by brick. Decimate his legacy as a president, and then send him to prison for the rest of his life. If he resigns due to health, he will never have to admit to the fact that he was an abject failure who was ripped from office due to his incompetence and corruption.[/QUOTE] And then land up with Pence until 2020.