Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador
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[QUOTE=UziXxX;52233093]you seem very impartial[/QUOTE]
Never claimed I wasn't. But from an outsider looking in, the Trump administration is a massive joke. The man speaks like a 5 year old, has pissed off allied nations, lied, lied a bit more, spent his time screaming to the high heavens about "fake news" on Twitter, actually impacted the valuations of companies whilst acting as POTUS via Twitter rants, lied even more, and is seemingly funnelling as much tax payer money as possible into businesses he shouldn't even be interacting with any more.
You don't have to defend this man.
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And that isn't even going into his underlings who seem to bend over backwards to ensure the public don't see his fuck ups. They don't do a super good job of it mind. And seem to enjoy trying to run away from the press before they even get asked questions. But they try.
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There doesn't seem to be an easy way out for them, PR-wise.[/QUOTE]
Well from the looks of some posters here. All they have to say is "Trump didn't do it" and people will believe them.
[QUOTE=mcharest;52233135]Looks like the administration is starting to coalesce around a strategy, and that strategy seems to be complete denial. A dangerous gambit, because if even an ounce of this story is true, the story flies off the rails and suddenly they're contending with accusations of a cover-up, on top of everything else that's been piling on lately.
There doesn't seem to be an easy way out for them, PR-wise.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I don't think most of their base cares at this point. Like I said earlier, I know posts like these would normally sound like whiny shitposting, but I honestly can't see anything happening that would case Trump voters to wake up and see what was happening outside of direct impeachment, and even [I]then[/I], I could still see people disputing the validity of it.
I think stuff like this amounts to nothing more than token gestures as long as the spineless GOP officials continue to all-too-gleefully turn a blind eye to Trump's blatant collusion and incompetence.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52233127]The media needs to start producing actual hard evidence instead of hearsay.[/QUOTE]
The public (you) needs to drop this ridiculous mistrust over "the media" over something they've done forever.
It's not their job to publish their sources and get them fired or worse.
[QUOTE=Dolton;52233133]No it wasn't. The SoS and McMaster both were INCREDIBLY coy with their denials. They denied sources and methods were revealed which the WaPo story literally never claimed. They denied something that was never alleged. If that isn't damning I don't what what else would be. They never denied the substance of the WaPo story.[/QUOTE]
If the past week is any indication of things to come, Trump will probably just confirm the WaPo article by accident in an early-morning tweetstorm, right after his staff go on the record saying the whole thing never happened.
The sheer ineptitude of this administration continues to amaze me.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52233127]I'll take the 3 star general who actually challenges the adminstration on their policies over random "US officials". The media needs to start producing actual hard evidence instead of hearsay.[/QUOTE]
You also thought Trump didn't fire Comey because of the investigation and even after that idiot shamelessly admitted it, you still tried to spin it as Trump is innocent because he said so or some bullcrap like that, honestly you can say and take whatever you want, your judgement just seems that of trying to be a contrarian than anything else.
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[media]https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/864260248038715392[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/864262056849092608[/media][/QUOTE]
i'd do anything to watch whats unfolding in that room right now
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52233127]I'll take the 3 star general who actually challenges the adminstration on their policies over random "US officials". The media needs to start producing actual hard evidence instead of hearsay.[/QUOTE]
When you have White House officials doing this. [video=youtube;Elw69CHhygs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elw69CHhygs[/video]
Their word is worth dirt. It seems constantly lying to the press and American people would be a bad practice when it comes to this kind of thing. When we can easily see the simple lies, why should we trust them ever?
[QUOTE=Judas;52233164]i'd do anything to watch whats unfolding in that room right now[/QUOTE]
Don't worry, I'm sure the Russian "press" bugged the fuck out of the building and we'll get a Youtube video of it soon.
I mean come on, we now have instances of the administration trying to stop news media from the very country it runs sitting in on things, but foreign news media from one specific country is a-ok? As fucked as my country is, and as awful a human being Theresa May is, at least she's not this fucking blatant with her failure to run the place.
[QUOTE=Potus;52233150][media]https://twitter.com/JonathanTamari/status/864256751771713537[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/864260248038715392[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/864262056849092608[/media][/QUOTE]
I'd rather say that the media is playing word games all the goddamn time, with that whole ''unnamed source formerly part of some government structure says Trump might have done something that could maybe be wrong under certain circumstances'' that seems to be a weekly occurrence now. I wonder if more and more people lose interest whenever a report starts with ''Unnamed sources say.....''. Feels to me that it is the weekly hot topic for the media and their readers to shout about for a week before it gets forgotten again, because they damn well know their readers have the attention span of a bunch of gnats.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;52232622]I find it pretty hard to trust anonymous sources quoted by WP and Buzzfeed on someone they both have a pretty substantial bias against, is all. Not that I have any particular love for the guy, but I'd rather have verifiable proof, or even a quote attributed to someone who you can verify it with by asking "did you say this?" , than what's essentially hearsay when it's something as potentially big as this. I don't think that's entirely unreasonable.[/QUOTE]
Have you heard a single word of this administration's stance on leaks? If a source is named, Trump and his lackeys are coming down on him with everything they have. I'm not just talking about losing their job -- they'll try to hit them with felony charges and high crimes. Under the open hostility of this administration towards the press, you're going to be waiting a very long time for a named source.
I understand why you may have initial distrust of an unnamed source on something so monumental, but there is no other way we're going to get insider info. We just have to trust the jorunalistic integrity of the organizations reporting, and while the the Washington Post does have a slight Liberal bias, it also has an excellent record of verified and factual reporting. They would not publish unsubstantiated claims.
trump is gonna do an interview and say some shit like "what's wrong with the president giving out information to people he trusts?" and confirm everything
[QUOTE=Jordax;52233191]I'd rather say that the media is playing word games all the goddamn time, with that whole ''unnamed source formerly part of some government structre says Trump might have done something that could maybe be wrong under certain circumstances'' that seems to be a weekly occurrence now. I wonder if more and more people lose interest whenever a report starts with ''Unnamed sources say.....''. Feels to me that it is the weekly hot topic for the media and their readers to shout about for a week before it gets forgotten again, because they damn well know their readers have the attention span of a bunch of gnats.[/QUOTE]
Considering how the White House is acting in the best interests of Russia, I would be more inclined to trust the media than I would the White House.
That impeachment prediction is sure coming to fruition quicker than I thought it would :thinking:
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52233127]I'll take the 3 star general who actually challenges the adminstration on their policies over random "US officials". The media needs to start producing actual hard evidence instead of hearsay.[/QUOTE]
But also maybe the president shouldn't lie?
[QUOTE=Potus;52233150][media]https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/864262056849092608[/media][/QUOTE]
Was this playing in the background as they argued?
[video=youtube;Ag1o3koTLWM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM[/video]
[QUOTE=Potus;52233150]
[media]https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/864260248038715392[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/864262056849092608[/media][/QUOTE]
That's almost like the Downfall/Hitler Reacts meme. :v:
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52233193]Have you heard a single word of this administration's stance on leaks? If a source is named, Trump and his lackeys are coming down on him with everything they have. I'm not just talking about losing their job -- they'll try to hit them with felony charges and high crimes. Under the open hostility of this administration towards the press, you're going to be waiting a very long time for a named source.
I understand why you may have initial distrust of an unnamed source on something so monumental, but there is no other way we're going to get insider info. We just have to trust the jorunalistic integrity of the organizations reporting, and while the the Washington Post does have a slight Liberal bias, it also has an excellent record of verified and factual reporting. They would not publish unsubstantiated claims.[/QUOTE]
Just look at the two big previous leakers, Snowden and Manning. They failed to keep their anonymity, and even during the relatively nice Obama administration have been fucking destroyed. Snowden still can't actually return home and Manning is just fucked for life (though at least she's getting the medical attention she needs).
This current administration is openly hostile to the mere thought of leaking information, if someone fails to keep their anonymity this time around they aren't going to see the light of day ever again I suspect. You've got a bunch of hardline lunatics in charge, and a president that genuinely suggested we "go after the families" of suspected terrorists. These are not people you want to get caught by, no amount of legal protections will stop them from trying to ruin you.
After the Comey fiasco, we know that Trump is very capable of trying to manipulate and blackmail anyone who tries to go against him, no one should trust anyone from this administration. Call out bullshit reports and the media when they release unsustainable shit but don't think these people are actually worth trusting more than fucking WaPo.
The Trump administration is like the moment in Return of the Jedi when the Emperor is electrocuting Luke, except instead of stopping him Vader just says "if confirmed, this would be deeply concerning"
I'm edging by bets that the impeachment will be near definite around Halloween this year.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;52233224]After the Comey fiasco, we know that Trump is very capable of trying to manipulate and blackmail anyone who tries to go against him, no one should trust anyone from this administration. Call out bullshit reports and the media when they release unsustainable shit but don't think these people are actually worth trusting more than fucking WaPo.[/QUOTE]
I mean, come on, are you actually going to fall for their "alternative facts" schtick? what the fuck is going on anymore
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52233127]I'll take the 3 star general who actually challenges the adminstration on their policies over random "US officials". The media needs to start producing actual hard evidence instead of hearsay.[/QUOTE]
Also hey I don't understand why meeting with these two russian guys in the first place, without any american press at all, is a remotely sensible idea
[QUOTE=Potus;52233254][media]https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/864266983981711360[/media][/QUOTE]
Don't pay attention to them, BBC is Fake News! :hammered:
[QUOTE]Wapo and buzzfeed and New York Times and CBS and BBC. Man ya'll getting desperate.[/QUOTE]
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