Muslims March in London to Condemn DAESH, Get Mostly Ignored by Media - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;49279486]Let's make it a bit more relevant then, does every pro-lifer have to come out and condemn the planned parenthood attack?[/QUOTE] Once again bringing something into a discussion about European matters, that happened in the US.

This won't convince anyone. People who already hate muslims will use the Islamic principle of Taqiyya (lying to advance Islam and/or to prevent harm to Muslims (taqiyya literally means "prevention") against the Muslims.

[QUOTE=The fox;49279449]I wasn't aware US things were related to discussing extremism in Europe? And you do know the KKK hasn't actually done a single terrorist act in quite a while, right?[/QUOTE] There's thousands of examples out there of terrorists doing terrorist things in the name of their religion, country, political affiliation, whatever - the point is that muslims are the only group who we expect to apologise for or make it obvious that they distance themselves from the acts of extremism in the name of their religion.

[QUOTE=The fox;49279489]Once again bringing something into a discussion about European matters, that happened in the US.[/QUOTE] So? It's a perfectly fine analogy. You seem to have this idea that every single muslim has to come out and explicitly say 'ISIS are bad', why doesn't that apply to other acts of terrorism?

Ok I was there when they did this and first of all there were way more than a couple of hundred, a thousand at least and they fucked up traffick. Secondly the demonstration was for human rights and Imam hussein not specifically the condemnation of isis even though a lot of people carried signs that showed just that and I think it's great that they did it even though they didn't have to. One thing I found a bit stupid though was that there were a lot of signs saying islam is for equality even though the demonstration was divided into one line with hundreds of women and another line with hundreds of men.

[QUOTE=The fox;49278837]My point still stands. A few hundred is not a big protest, protests around here who only garner a few hundred participants are rarely reported on. Infact, the fact that only a few hundred muslims out of the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands who live in Europe protest against this, just furthers my point.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=The fox;49278948]A majority, it is the exception rather than the rule that muslims I meet and read about on FB here condone ISIS. When you only have a few hundred out of hundreds of thousands care, best case they don't care about ISIS, worst case they support them. They have everything to gain they distance themselves from ISIS and religious extremism, but choose not to. EDIT: Infact, when looking whether OP was correct in his assessment that UK newspapers don't care about this, I stumbled upon things like this instead; [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944946/Thousands-British-Muslims-protest-against-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-publishing-cartoons-Prophet-Mohammed.html[/url] [url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4590437/muslims-protest-london-google-hq.html[/url] [url]http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/muslimprotest.asp[/url] I guess protesting against freedom of speech is more important than protesting against religious violence.[/QUOTE] innocent until proven guilty [I]unless you're brown[/I]

[QUOTE=The fox;49279489]Once again bringing something into a discussion about European matters, that happened in the US.[/QUOTE] He's making an equivalence. Does every pro-lifer, in the US, have to come out and condemn the planned parenthood attack (which happened in the US)? Pretending to not understand or feigning ignorance (like you did in another post today) is not a very good way to win an argument. At best it will waste peoples time having to explain every point or post evidence for every (usually well established) point, at worst it will piss people off and make them not want to talk to you any further. edit: why should muslims have to protest against ISIS to show they don't support ISIS. Why can't it be assumed that they are against ISIS till, on an individual or small group basis, proved otherwise. If prolifers get benefit of the doubt in the US why shouldn't muslims get benefit of the doubt? [sp]don't post your ambiguous polls here[/sp]

[QUOTE=Svinnik;49279498]This won't convince anyone. People who already hate muslims will use the Islamic principle of Taqiyya (lying to advance Islam and/or to prevent harm to Muslims (taqiyya literally means "prevention") against the Muslims.[/QUOTE] Pretty good liars out there dying face down in pools of their own blood fighting ISIS directly.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49279534]Pretty good liars out there dying face down in pools of their own blood fighting ISIS directly.[/QUOTE] These protesters aren't fighting ISIS, they are showing disapproval

[QUOTE=lintz;49279411]yes because y'know many diehard christians do adhere to that dangerous style of thinking, having come from the baby boomer age.[/QUOTE] That's a completely unreasonable perspective. The majority are not responsible for the actions of the minority.

[QUOTE=The fox;49278948]best case they don't care about ISIS, worst case they support them.[/QUOTE] I didn't know that not showing up at a specific demonstration means that. Probably because it's bullshit.

For the record, all the Muslims in Singapore here condemn the DEASH asshole group but they can't hold a protest. Maybe the reason why the protest isn't that big because not many people know or it's in the middle of the week where most people are working or have school. just so you know, ISIS/DEASH have harm Islam more than anyone else. Just because you don't see a street wide protest does not mean there is no interest. Now that I think about it, the major mainstream western media just have a hate boner for Islam because they think portraying Islam in a negative manner will get them more view and money. Isn't that right? The more negativity, the more money they earn. Just like when they portrayed communist countries back during the cold war. Modern money grabbing Journalism thrives on misery, hatred and sensational violence.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;49279557]These protesters aren't fighting ISIS, they are showing disapproval[/QUOTE] My point is you can't just say "Muslims are lying about hating ISIS" because the largest group of casualties to ISIS is... Muslims. Obviously these people can't fight ISIS since they don't live in a warzone, but their disapproval is just as real. e: To clarify I'm not saying you were saying that, that's a general "you". [editline]9th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=BCell;49279598]For the record, all the Muslims in Singapore here condemn the DEASH asshole group but they can't hold a protest. Maybe the reason why the protest isn't that big because not many people know or it's in the middle of the week where most people are working or have school. just so you know, ISIS/DEASH have harm Islam more than anyone else. Just because you don't see a street wide protest does not mean there is no interest. Now that I think about it, the major mainstream western media just have a hate boner for Islam because they think portraying Islam in a negative manner will get them more view and money. Isn't that right? The more negativity, the more money they earn. Just like when they portrayed communist countries back during the cold war. Modern money grabbing Journalism thrives on misery, hatred and sensational violence.[/QUOTE] That's correct, these kinds of scares are whipped up by the media for ratings and that sweet, sweet ad money. Each new scare computes to more people tuning in to learn what to be scared of.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49279218]Seems like a fair portrait of Muslims that join ISIS or live in countries that condone the killing of homosexuals/apostates through stoning.[/QUOTE] Lol okay buddy, please explain to me how the people of Saudi Arabia, who have absolutely no say in what their government does, are violent freaks? Despite the fact that there have been no reports of people being stoned by the Saudi government.

Regarding why they should be doing it in the first place, to be honest, this is the baggage that often comes with nations run under a theocracy, where militant extremist groups are bred among its citizens. It paints a negative light on those that follow a deity in name only. It's not something that moderate Muslims should have to do, obviously, but distancing a theology away from those who do the most harm within it, is the easiest way to earn support as a collective. Shame the media didn't pick up on it; almost like they want to maintain a narrative.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49279120]Jesus Christ the strawman has never been bigger has it? I never said there was a conspiracy or anything, it's just that a good number of media outlets love to demonize Muslims as being a bunch of violent freaks, which is just not fucking true.[/QUOTE] Why would they do that? [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49279344]and then they don't do this and people start going "Waaah why don't muslims do more to distance themselves from the ultra-conservatives and extremists!!!!!" from now on until the end of time, i will post this thread whenever anyone complains about muslims not doing enough or some shit, and they can read the replies and learn why[/QUOTE] OK. Have a good time.

[QUOTE=The fox;49278837]My point still stands. A few hundred is not a big protest, protests around here who only garner a few hundred participants are rarely reported on. Infact, the fact that only a few hundred muslims out of the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands who live in Europe protest against this, just furthers my point.[/QUOTE] Given the current situation right now, a couple hundred doing a protest like this means a fuckload.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49278997]You constantly see a story perpetrated on the media about how all Muslims love ISIS and we should ban them because they do[/QUOTE] no, you don't.

[QUOTE=Fayez;49279664][...] Despite the fact that there have been no reports of people being stoned by the Saudi government.[/QUOTE] This goes a bit off-topic, but I think it's important to note that Saudi Arabia has a really bad track record regarding human rights in general and religiously motivated death sentences in particular. The fact that they seem to prefer beheading over stoning for apostasy seems rather insignificantly different for the purposes of your comparison. [URL="https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/saudi-arabia/"]Amnesty International has a pretty good overview of the situation[/URL], [URL="https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/pol10/0001/2015/en/"]especially in their annual report[/URL] if you want to read about it in a more condensed form.

[QUOTE=BCell;49279598]For the record, all the Muslims in Singapore here condemn the DEASH asshole group but they can't hold a protest. Maybe the reason why the protest isn't that big because not many people know or it's in the middle of the week where most people are working or have school. just so you know, ISIS/DEASH have harm Islam more than anyone else. Just because you don't see a street wide protest does not mean there is no interest. Now that I think about it, the major mainstream western media just have a hate boner for Islam because they think portraying Islam in a negative manner will get them more view and money. Isn't that right? The more negativity, the more money they earn. Just like when they portrayed communist countries back during the cold war. Modern money grabbing Journalism thrives on misery, hatred and sensational violence.[/QUOTE] Im thinking just like the cold war, government officials going want to keep ISIS around as a means to grab more power.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49279587]That's a completely unreasonable perspective. The majority are not responsible for the actions of the minority.[/QUOTE] Ofcourse they're not. How can any other person be liable or responsible for the action of any other man.. no matter what group they belong to. I'd even go as far, that even other ISIS members can't be held responsible for the attacks in Paris. They didn't do it themselves. They might have sympathy fur that doesn't make them responsible. The problem however goes much deeper than this 'majority minority responsiblity'-thing. The problem lies that in that there are structural problems already with muslims in western society, that stem from a cultural difference, as I have claimed many other times already. This already existing social segregation is what makes people do this. More integration, less segregation, less problems, more tolerance. It's the only real way forward.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49279886]no, you don't.[/QUOTE] Yeah you fucking do. Go read some news that isn't Liberal, you'll find a shit load of stuff about how we should condemn Muslims and whatnot.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49279886]no, you don't.[/QUOTE] The Sun, in the UK, ran a MASSIVELY misleading story saying 1 in 5 Muslims supported Isis

[QUOTE=Tamschi;49281420]This goes a bit off-topic, but I think it's important to note that Saudi Arabia has a really bad track record regarding human rights in general and religiously motivated death sentences in particular. The fact that they seem to prefer beheading over stoning for apostasy seems rather insignificantly different for the purposes of your comparison. [URL="https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/saudi-arabia/"]Amnesty International has a pretty good overview of the situation[/URL], [URL="https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/pol10/0001/2015/en/"]especially in their annual report[/URL] if you want to read about it in a more condensed form.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying Saudi Arabia isn't a major human rights violator, they definitely are. Rangergxi said that the people who live in countries which practice stoning are "violent freaks", despite the fact that they have no say in what their government does. And while stoning is an established execution practice in some Muslim countries, only one country, Iran, has ever stoned someone legally. And we all know who is responsible for the current government of Iran.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49279717]Why would they do that? [/QUOTE] Well, what do you think? News is a business. A lot of them get money from advertisments, aka when a user clicks on an article. Psychology has proven time and time again that Humans react more to negative subjects than to positive ones. A good reaction means more clicks which means more money. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but when they don't show the good side of things either, it can really fuck with politics, economics, society, etc. Thing is that showing the positive side of things takes money, so when News companies refuse to this they just come off as greedy assholes who don't care about the fact that they are basically the filter for society.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49279129]Most students didn't openly protest tuition fees going up .'. they we're supportive of the tuition fee rise [][/QUOTE] that's a shame though... your bills must be growing through the roofs.

Islam isn't any religion of peace. It's focused on making women a property men and fighting anyone who isn't islamist. I have read a little bit of Quaran or however You spell it in the past.

[QUOTE=Mechanical43;49282437]that's a shame though... your bills must be growing through the roofs.[/QUOTE] Luckily I got through before the fees were put up. I was at the protests though.

Of course it gets ignored by the media, because "all Muslims are terrorists, huuuurrrrrr"

[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;49282046]The Sun, in the UK, ran a MASSIVELY misleading story saying 1 in 5 Muslims supported Isis[/QUOTE] 1 in 5 is nowhere near "all muslims", and that number is demonstrably closer to the truth than the horse shit that liberal media perpetuates about 'the religion of peace'. I don't know which story you're referring to but it's more than likely relating to the refugee crisis, which a drastically different thing from condemning an entire religion just because.