[QUOTE=DaMastez;49815546]Alright so they need two ladders (one for each side) or some climbing gear, which won't be a big deal to get but it will still slow down any attempt to cross because they have to set up the ladders, climb up hauling whatever stuff they want to get over the border.
It isn't impossible to detect tunnels and they are quite costly to produce, but obviously a wall isn't going to stop them.
Now they need a boat which is a lot more costly than walking across the border, plus that's where the Coast Guard and Navy come into play.
Now they need to have twice the resources (another vehicle), at least one person on the other side, communication and coordination between the two groups, and a higher chance to be detected because the vehicle has to both drive to the wall then back away.
We can supply an army across the world but we can't supply border patrol in our own country?
We can afford to spend more than the next 7 countries combined on our military but we can't afford to secure our border?
I honestly don't care if it's a wall, or better monitoring/patrols, or some other solution. I just want the border to stop being effectively undefended for the most part.[/QUOTE]
hey, honest question. do you 100% genuinely believe everything youve said here?
thanks.
[editline]25th February 2016[/editline]
as in do you really think all of this will work? just curious how serious you are about all of that.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49816175]hey, honest question. do you 100% genuinely believe everything youve said here?
thanks.
[editline]25th February 2016[/editline]
as in do you really think all of this will work? just curious how serious you are about all of that.[/QUOTE]
Do I believe that a wall will be harder to get past than a few strands of razor wire? Yes, that seems quite obvious. Though as I mentioned before for it to be effective it needs to be one part of a larger scheme to secure the border; an unmonitored wall is pointless.
Do I believe that the nation with one of the largest and most well funded militaries in the world, one which has had reasonable success fighting insurgents in foreign countries, is capable of securing its own border far better than it currently is on land and sea? Yes.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49816295]Do I believe that a wall will be harder to get past than a few strands of razor wire? Yes, that seems quite obvious. Though as I mentioned before for it to be effective it needs to be one part of a larger scheme to secure the border; an unmonitored wall is pointless.
Do I believe that the nation with one of the largest and most well funded militaries in the world, one which has had reasonable success fighting insurgents in foreign countries, is capable of securing its own border far better than it currently is on land and sea? Yes.[/QUOTE]
you didnt answer my question, you answered your own questions lol
[editline]25th February 2016[/editline]
this isnt fill-in-the-blank lol. this is yes or no. do you believe everything you said in the post i quoted earlier?
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49816306]you didnt answer my question, you answered your own questions lol
[editline]25th February 2016[/editline]
this isnt fill-in-the-blank lol. this is yes or no. do you believe everything you said in the post i quoted earlier?[/QUOTE]
I don't support the wall but you're a fuckin dick man, he raised his (fair enough) points and you stroke yourself off while passive aggressively calling him an idiot
you're not clever
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49816402]I don't support the wall but you're a fuckin dick man, he raised his (fair enough) points and you stroke yourself off while passive aggressively calling him an idiot
you're not clever[/QUOTE]
i never called him an idiot, and im not being passive aggressive. i asked a question, and he took the initiative to answer his own questions, so i pointed that out to him in hopes he would correct his mistake. there's no need for you to insult me and be rude.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49816306]you didnt answer my question, you answered your own questions lol
[editline]25th February 2016[/editline]
this isnt fill-in-the-blank lol. this is yes or no. do you believe everything you said in the post i quoted earlier?[/QUOTE]
I don't follow. I restated what I said in the post you quoted saying yes I did believe those things.
But here's a simple yes, I believe everything I said in the post you quoted, that's why I said it.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49816680]I don't follow. I restated what I said in the post you quoted saying yes I did believe those things.
But here's a simple yes, I believe everything I said in the post you quoted, that's why I said it.[/QUOTE]
thank you for answering my question.
[QUOTE=Firespray;49807300]Of course the government has a database with me in it. Its not like I'm invisible with the system. Don't patronize me by calling me naive, that is a cop out response. What the government doesn't have is all of the Muslims currently in the country in a compact list. As for how it is racist, it is very clear. Forcing me to register in a 'Muslim only' database only serves to further discrimination. Please tell me, and I want you to answer this seriously, how does it protect me/benefit me in ANY way by forcing me to do this?
I mean sure you can try to justify it using some warped logic, thats what they do to every targeted minority in U.S. history. For example, the Chinese exclusion act back in 1882 was a result of a narrative that was forged to paint them as foreigners who come into the country to take the mining jobs and smoke a lot of opium, therefore corrupting the fabric of society. Whats worse for them was the inability to naturalize as citizens at all due to that act until 1943. With Muslims it may as well be "they are coming into the country to plot against us and destroy our way of life." You can't just ban an entire group of people like that just because of a popular sentiment regarding them as threatening. Like seriously? Domestic terrorism in the United States is a far larger problem than foreign Muslim terrorism. I consider myself quite lucky in the fact that I am a citizen and I do have rights. I can only hope that if Trump does become president and tries to implement something like this that the supreme court will strike it down. Still, connect the two, how is Trump going to know who to not let back into the country once they leave and try to come back? That specific database for Muslims is perfect for it.
What deeply worries me is that you are okay with Trump doing this. I sincerely hope you know what kind of country you will be getting into by voting for him. I for one do not feel comfortable with this at all.[/QUOTE]
He's simply being transparent by continuing actions that have been done already. Intelligence agencies are currently monitoring the religion discreetly. Not fair, but reality doesn't adhere to a code of ethics.
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[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49804142]seriously, what happens when you kick them all out? is it morally okay to work for slave wages just because those new workers are legal? why not tackle the systems that makes it possible for illegal immigrants to be exploited in america? why not tackle the systems that makes it possible for cartels to exploit humans for monetary gain? why focus the issue on the people who are literally going to your country to work & contribute to the economy, rather than the people who are also doing illegal practices and making so much more money than those workers? [/QUOTE]
If you implemented a law like that, they'll likely be unemployable. There no incentive to hiring illegal immigrants if people can no longer exploit them. They rather hire a literate domestic worker as opposed to an illiterate foreign one.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;49819817]He's simply being transparent by continuing actions that have been done already. Intelligence agencies are currently monitoring the religion discreetly. Not fair, but reality doesn't adhere to a code of ethics.
[editline]26th February 2016[/editline]
There would be no point in hiring illegal immigrants if people can no longer exploit them. They would likely hire a literate worker familiar with their culture as opposed to an illiterate foreign one.[/QUOTE]
You've obviously never lived in California and I'd you do youve never met any Mexicans. By kicking out "dem illegals" you'd be harming the agricultural industry in America besides that, they would still hire the illegal everyone in the border States usually learns to speak a language like spanish in high school. The islam thing is facile as well. You, by monitoring them, make them feel like outcasts, which In turn makes them more radical. It's a racist policy. It's like saying we should monitor all blacks because of looting, and they have to wear a special symbol that identifies them as black.
Both the ideas are horrible and it shows that you have no grasp on reality
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49819997]You've obviously never lived in California and I'd you do youve never met any Mexicans. By kicking out "dem illegals" you'd be harming the agricultural industry in America besides that, they would still hire the illegal everyone in the border States usually learns to speak a language like spanish in high school. The islam thing is facile as well. You, by monitoring them, make them feel like outcasts, which In turn makes them more radical. It's a racist policy. It's like saying we should monitor all blacks because of looting, and they have to wear a special symbol that identifies them as black.
Both the ideas are horrible and it shows that you have no grasp on reality[/QUOTE]
I grew up in a predominantly hispanic area close to the border. That's irrelevant though. By making illegals less exploitable, you're also lessening their value. The lack of regulation and low wages is what makes them attractive to employers, not their simple skill that anyone can do.
I stated that intellegent agencies are already monitoring people to begin with, especially those who fit a particular criteria. A religion that has been associated with beheading high-profile journalists and bombing a public domestic venues like concerts/marathons will get scrutinized more than any religion that doesn't. Politicians who claim not to just lie for good PR.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49819997]You've obviously never lived in California and I'd you do youve never met any Mexicans. By kicking out "dem illegals" you'd be harming the agricultural industry in America besides that, they would still hire the illegal everyone in the border States usually learns to speak a language like spanish in high school. [/QUOTE]
Oh what a shame that the agricultural industry would no longer be able to exploit desperate individuals by paying them less than minimum wage.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;49814505]The hyperbole in this thread is just ridiculous. Actually, now that I think about it, the hyperbole surrounding Trump across most of the internet is reaching absurd levels.
None of you have any idea how the U.S. government functions. The President isn't an almighty dictator; everything has to go through Congress first. The crazy things he's proposing would never be passed, not even if there was a Republican super majority, because even the Republicans oppose most of it.[/QUOTE]
It's definitely not hyperbolic, shitposters who write mean comments about minorities on the web are a bigger threat to developed countries than militants who constantly commit acts of tangible harm to innocent people.
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