Vegans and Vegetarians butthurt over £5 note containing trace elements of tallow. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51447299]I think going full vegan is pretty crazy and I'm not even a vegetarian but it makes sense to want to reduce our usage of animals when reasonable.[/QUOTE] I don't know about going vegan as per that cow image, but dropping meat eggs cheese and milk out of your own home-cooking is extremely easy. It's not easy to get away from those ingredients in commercially produced products or restaurants, though.

[QUOTE=T553412;51447304]I bet this list is going to grow even larger as extraction and refining methods advance. Gotta love science[/QUOTE] Those methods haven't changed in over 50 years, the main thing that will need to change is our understanding of the products we can get. Some things which we may not find useful today might have a use found for them tomorrow.

[QUOTE=bitches;51447323]I don't know about going vegan as per that cow image, but dropping meat eggs cheese and milk out of your own home-cooking is extremely easy. It's not easy to get away from those ingredients in commercially produced products or restaurants, though.[/QUOTE] I was planning on giving vegetarianism a go when I'm living on my own. I don't really plan on inconveniencing my family by demanding they alter what they cook, so not right now.

[QUOTE=T553412;51447304]I bet this list is going to grow even larger as extraction and refining methods advance. Gotta love science[/QUOTE] As science advances it has in many cases turned the industry away from animal products. Why raise an animal so it can inefficiently provide a product that a lab can cook up in a gigantic vat?

[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;51446781] Or is not being able to eat your precious burger not a first world problem?[/QUOTE] heh well id say not being able to eat meat is a pretty big problem, pretty much yeah lad

[QUOTE=SirJon;51447341]heh well id say not being able to eat meat is a pretty big problem, pretty much yeah lad[/QUOTE] Nutrients-wise not really. It's pretty easy to get everything you need without it

[QUOTE=bitches;51447135]No, he used the term to represent both vegans and vegetarians. As to the thread as a whole: To my understanding, "vegan" and "vegetarian" are more about diet than the metal in your walls and how it tangentially relates to livestock. It's pretty obvious who's insecure in this thread when they need to lash out at others for having less impact in animal cruelty simply because they don't have [I]zero[/I] relation to the industry.[/QUOTE] I always thought being vegan was just being vegetarian but with the additional conditions that you avoid using animal products in your life. So a "vegan" who is more about diet would just be a vegetarian, no?

[QUOTE=Killdozer;51447384]I always thought being vegan was just being vegetarian but with the additional conditions that you avoid using animal products in your life. So a "vegan" who is more about diet would just be a vegetarian, no?[/QUOTE] Pretty much. Vegetarian is mostly with how you eat. Vegan encompasses pretty much everything. And within those some people take stronger stances than others. Some vegetarians are willing to drink milk, eat cheese, and eat eggs for example.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51447350]Nutrients-wise not really. It's pretty easy to get everything you need without it[/QUOTE] You're [I]S.O.L.[/I] if you both want it tasty, nutritious and affordable without a fuckton of effort and time. There's a reason it's considered a lifestyle, because your life has to revolve around it.

[QUOTE=Killdozer;51447384]I always thought being vegan was just being vegetarian but with the additional conditions that you avoid using animal products in your life. So a "vegan" who is more about diet would just be a vegetarian, no?[/QUOTE] Most people, at least where I live, consider vegetarian to mean a diet without meat and vegan to be a diet without meat or dairy or eggs. People on an individual basis decide how far to take that, whether it be to just not [I]buy[/I] cheese/milk/eggs on their own or to also avoid pre-made food products containing them.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;51447119][img]http://outdooroverload.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/No-Such-Thing-As-A-Vegan.jpg[/img] Let's be honest now - a fucking burger isn't what's killing these animals.[/QUOTE] That's impressive. It's good to know that almost no part of the cow is wasted.

[QUOTE=Van-man;51447396]You're [I]S.O.L.[/I] if you both want it tasty, nutritious and affordable without a fuckton of effort and time. There's a reason it's considered a lifestyle, because your life has to revolve around it.[/QUOTE] It's actually cheaper to not buy meat, at least if you live in a first world country with grocery stores around. Basically you're completely wrong.

don't see how this is a problem as any outcome would affect meat eaters 0%. Like I eat meat but it makes sense that if I made a point in using as little animal products as possible this would be a concern. I live in London and handling banknotes is pretty much forced upon you as a lot of places don't take credit cards, and if they do there's usually an extra fee. Honestly this edgelord "found the vegan" meme shit needs to die. Being aware of how much we affect the environment and adjusting your lifestyle preferences accordingly is objectively a good thing. I wish I could, I just care more about fried chicken than the future of our planet.

[QUOTE=Van-man;51447396]You're [I]S.O.L.[/I] if you both want it tasty, nutritious and affordable without a fuckton of effort and time. There's a reason it's considered a lifestyle, because your life has to revolve around it.[/QUOTE] I think meat usually tastes like shit without effort and time too. Tho maybe that's just me. "Your life has to revolve around it" seems pretty hyperbolic. Especially if you are one of those people that allows dairy and eggs, because that simplifies your diet health-wise quite a bit, since they provide very important things that often require people to take supplements otherwise.

[QUOTE=bitches;51447409]It's actually cheaper to not buy meat, at least if you live in a first world country with grocery stores around. Basically you're completely wrong.[/QUOTE] Not if you want to get all your nutrients, unless you're completely disregarding tasty and affordable as factors. Or maybe shops just know those people are willing to pay a premium. [QUOTE=thelurker1234;51447416]I think meat usually tastes like shit without effort and time too. Tho maybe that's just me. "Your life has to revolve around it" seems pretty hyperbolic.[/QUOTE] Meat tends to be low effort compared to good vegan dishes

[QUOTE=Van-man;51447431]Not if you want to get all your nutrients, unless you're completely disregarding tasty and affordable as factors. Or maybe shops just know those people are willing to pay a premium. Meat tends to be low effort compared to good vegan dishes[/QUOTE] I literally just dropped meat from a regular diet of produce (which costs less than meat). My doctor said I might do well to take an iron supplement pill if I felt tired, which I don't, and I bike to work and back every day. The vegetarians lack nutrition thing has always been a myth as far as the modern day grocery store is concerned. You'll be fine as long as you're not eating literally the same thing every day. You're right that there are premium products for those who don't want to bother cooking for themselves, but produce itself is not a premium product. 30-60 minutes a night can get you some great dinners with leftovers.

[QUOTE=bitches;51447331]As science advances it has in many cases turned the industry away from animal products. Why raise an animal so it can inefficiently provide a product that a lab can cook up in a gigantic vat?[/QUOTE] In a lot of cases, the stuff that labs cook up in big vats is made of raw materials derived from animals. I can't name any off the top of my head, but that's how it is for some stuff like insulin.

[QUOTE=bitches;51447440]I literally just dropped meat from a regular diet of produce (which costs less than meat). My doctor said I might do well to take an iron supplement pill if I felt tired, which I don't, and I bike to work and back every day. The vegetarians lack nutrition thing has always been a myth as far as the modern day grocery store is concerned. You'll be fine as long as you're not eating literally the same thing every day.[/QUOTE] And it's not like the general population doesn't often have deficiencies anyways such as iron and vitamin D, and harmful overloads of shit like sodium and LDL cholesterol. When we talk about nutrient deficiencies it's not like either vegetarianism or sticking to meat will cause/cure your diet problems on their own.

[QUOTE=bitches;51447440]I literally just dropped meat from a regular diet of produce (which costs less than meat). My doctor said I might do well to take an iron supplement pill if I felt tired, which I don't, and I bike to work and back every day. The vegetarians lack nutrition thing has always been a myth as far as the modern day grocery store is concerned. You'll be fine as long as you're not eating literally the same thing every day. You're right that there are premium products for those who don't want to bother cooking for themselves, but produce itself is not a premium product. 30-60 minutes a night can get you some great dinners with leftovers.[/QUOTE] Meat contains a lot of the essential amino acids that the human body can't make itself. While you can find all of these amino acids in vegetarian or vegan alternatives, you would need to have such variaty in such quantity that to be as healthy as someone eating meat would cost a fortune over any extended period.

[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;51446781]Yes, who would've thought that veg*ns have a problem with animal products being used in a product that they may be forced to use in the future. Maybe, just maybe, if you expanded your own narrow point of view, you would understand their perspective. And yes, this may be a first world problem, but guess what, that's the world they live in. So if it imposes something that goes against their beliefs, why in the world would they be happy with it? Unrelated rant: A wordly problem is climate change, none of you circle jerkers have gone plant-based, yet at least 14% of the greenhouse gas emissions come from animal agriculture. How about you get off your collective first world asses and do something about that. Or is not being able to eat your precious burger not a first world problem?[/QUOTE] Dietary changes with low amounts of meat is actually 3rd world problem, even.

[QUOTE=James xX;51447458]Meat contains a lot of the essential amino acids that the human body can't make itself. While you can find all of these amino acids in vegetarian or vegan alternatives, you would need to have such variaty in such quantity that to be as healthy as someone eating meat would cost a fortune over any extended period.[/QUOTE] Blatantly false. "BeAR!)" and I are living testament against that myth. A lot of people get into vegetarianism for the wrong reasons (social status ones) and later quit and blame nutrition when they really just weren't committed for their own desires.

[QUOTE=bitches;51447440]I literally just dropped meat from a regular diet of produce (which costs less than meat). My doctor said I might do well to take an iron supplement pill if I felt tired, which I don't, and I bike to work and back every day. The vegetarians lack nutrition thing has always been a myth as far as the modern day grocery store is concerned. You'll be fine as long as you're not eating literally the same thing every day. You're right that there are premium products for those who don't want to bother cooking for themselves, but produce itself is not a premium product. 30-60 minutes a night can get you some great dinners with leftovers.[/QUOTE] There is no way that produce costs less than meat, especially in the US. The government subsidizes meat so it's cheaper for consumers to buy it. I've worked as a cashier in a budget supermarket and people who bought only produce spent at least 5 to 10 dollars more vs people who bought produce + meat.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51447493]There is no way that produce costs less than meat, especially in the US. The government subsidizes meat so it's cheaper for consumers to buy it. I've worked as a cashier in a budget supermarket and people who bought only produce spent at least 5 to 10 dollars more vs people who bought produce + meat.[/QUOTE] Not where I'm from, that's for sure. Sounds to me like the people buying produce got more meals for the money. Maybe they eat less in general, fat americans blah blah blah.

[QUOTE=Van-man;51447396]You're [I]S.O.L.[/I] if you both want it tasty, nutritious and affordable without a fuckton of effort and time. There's a reason it's considered a lifestyle, because your life has to revolve around it.[/QUOTE] It also involves making sure everyone knows!

[QUOTE=MR-X;51447573]It also involves making sure everyone knows![/QUOTE] epic zinger bro; hard hitting points

[QUOTE=bitches;51447579]epic zinger bro; hard hitting points[/QUOTE] it's prolly just bantz tbh

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51447612]it's prolly just bantz tbh[/QUOTE] At least someone got it.

Hey you know what else contains tallow? Any oil for high friction, high temperature application with hard to lubricate surfaces, like worm drives [IMG]http://www.speedreducer.org/images/Aluminum_Worm_Gear_Reducer.jpg[/IMG] Behold, the true face of wanton animal cruelty. This is why the super assertive vegan types get so much shit. Animal products are super useful, and we really fuckin' need them. If you wanna live like that, hey great, have fun. Just concede that some stuff literally runs on byproducts that we can't do without

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;51447049]I'd rather eat hamburgers for breakfast and die of clogged arteries at 35 than become like you.[/QUOTE] If you do that, you wont. Keto man.

This entire thread is an anti-vegan echo chamber. This is fabricated outrage at like a few people tweeting some things. [QUOTE=Svinnik;51447493]There is no way that produce costs less than meat, especially in the US. The government subsidizes meat so it's cheaper for consumers to buy it. I've worked as a cashier in a budget supermarket and people who bought only produce spent at least 5 to 10 dollars more vs people who bought produce + meat.[/QUOTE] Rice and beans will always be more cost effective than any form of meat product just based on price and shelf life alone. Might not be interesting but what you said is just false. Also the only reason it's cheaper is because of artificial pressures put on the market. It doesn't make sense in a free market for meat which has to be raised on plants to be cheaper than just plain plants.