Men deported from Saudi Arabia for being 'too handsome' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40311825]States should do their job, it doesn't matter what the powers of the state are, as long as it is actually working towards the benefit of all.[/QUOTE] what the "states job" is is different depending on who you ask. ask an american libertarian they say "defense and roads". ask a progressive and they say "social services and protection from free markets". ask an anarchist and they say "there isn't one". and the "benefit of all" is subjective as hell as well. you support gun bans, which many would argue runs contrary to the "benefit of all". you weigh betterment of society differently than i do, which is fine, just don't force me to follow your ideal and i won't force you to follow mine. [editline]17th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=archangel125;40311836]In this case, Sobotnik, it seems that Yawmwen's just describing the dynamics of power and accountability rather than arguing a point. I think he's right, that's how it tends to work. (I wouldn't go so far as to say libertarianism actually works - I personally think that'll lead to an increase in non-state violence because of the lack of government control) but I'll say that the rest seems spot on.[/QUOTE] when i say "libertarianism", in this case i mean it in a fairly loose fashion rather than the fairly rigid ideology is is generally used to refer to. i mean it as a basic extension of the ideas of rationalism, secular humanism, and classic liberalism: government doesn't derive power from god, but it derives power from people and should be accountable to those people.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40311836]In this case, Sobotnik, it seems that Yawmwen's just describing the dynamics of power and accountability rather than arguing a point. I think he's right, that's how it tends to work. (I wouldn't go so far as to say libertarianism actually works - I personally think that'll lead to an increase in non-state violence because of the lack of government control) but I'll say that the rest seems spot on.[/QUOTE] Libertarianism doesn't work. There's been hundreds of failed experiments in history that resulted in the polity falling apart or reforming itself. Plus in complex societies much larger than 200~ people, one person can't keep track of everyone. By the actual limitations of human psychology, strict rules are needed to preserve group cohesion.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40311877]Libertarianism doesn't work. There's been hundreds of failed experiments in history that resulted in the polity falling apart or reforming itself. Plus in complex societies much larger than 200~ people, one person can't keep track of everyone. By the actual limitations of human psychology, strict rules are needed to preserve group cohesion.[/QUOTE] This is why I personally maintain that libertarianism and anarchy, or any system based on small government (or even an equal distribution of power) cannot work outside of a small group of up to 150-200 persons, because it relies on human goodwill. And humans are physically incapable of seeing more than 150 people (with some individual variance) as fully human, as unique individuals.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40311899]This is why I personally maintain that libertarianism and anarchy, or any system based on small government (or even an equal distribution of power) cannot work outside of a small group of up to 150-200 persons, because it relies on human goodwill. And humans are physically incapable of seeing more than 150 people (with some individual variance) as fully human, as unique individuals.[/QUOTE] that doesn't make a lot of sense. just because i can't create a social bond with another person, does that mean i can't see them as human? also what if we created confederations or councils comprising of <200 people(as has been suggested in anarchist/leftist ideologies) where everyone can make those social bonds but still cooperate and trade with the greater world. the main idea behind anarchism is that if government isn't working out for me, i should be free to disassociate myself at will without being put in jail or executed. that doesn't mean anarchism is against creating organized societies, only that their power should be voluntary instead of violent.

I'm too sexy for my country, too sexy for my country, so sexy

damnit i really didn't mean for this to become a conversation about anarchism. sorry thread :(

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40311919]that doesn't make a lot of sense. just because i can't create a social bond with another person, does that mean i can't see them as human? also what if we created confederations or councils comprising of <200 people(as has been suggested in anarchist/leftist ideologies) where everyone can make those social bonds but still cooperate and trade with the greater world. the main idea behind anarchism is that if government isn't working out for me, i should be free to disassociate myself at will without being put in jail or executed. that doesn't mean anarchism is against creating organized societies, only that their power should be voluntary instead of violent.[/QUOTE] I think that at this stage people have *some* degree of choice. This isn't always true, but it's true to an extent. People can choose what sort of government works for them by choosing where they want to live. The problem with anarchism and even libertarianism is that it assumes too easily that people will be perfectly willing to live and let live, but examining failed states like Somalia, we know this to not be the case. If there is opportunity and a power vacuum, a group that wants to subjugate EVERYONE to their worldview will rise, and rise quickly, through both political and militant means. And since society at large will be divided into small groups essentially looking to fend for themselves, there'll be no organized resistance. Theocratic regimes are the most likely outcome, because there are some religions that are fundamentally expansionist, but oligarchism or good old fascism are also possible outcomes.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40310701]The fucking religious police in Saudi Arabia reach new heights of retardation. I lived there for six years. Things are not good there for anyone but the ruling elite.[/QUOTE] You're just bitter they never kicked you out for bein too handsome!

[QUOTE=killerteacup;40311952]You're just bitter they never kicked you out for bein too handsome![/QUOTE] Hey, I'm not living there now, am I?

This earth has many shit countries. Where was the application for being one of the first humans on mars again?

[QUOTE=Angus725;40310728][img]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18kuccs9zq7edjpg/original.jpg[/img] Aviators and scimitars? Hot.[/QUOTE] women love their swag they have to, otherwise they get beheaded.

[QUOTE=Angus725;40310728][img]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18kuccs9zq7edjpg/original.jpg[/img] Aviators and scimitars? Hot.[/QUOTE] I don't know what kinda guys these UAE delegates are, considering they ARE carrying scimitars, but in Saudi Arabia, in the country where they are being deported from, their way of the death penalty is mostly cutting your head right clean off.

[QUOTE=Angus725;40310728][img]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18kuccs9zq7edjpg/original.jpg[/img] Aviators and scimitars? Hot.[/QUOTE] They look like they're dancing :D

I'm too sexy for my citizenship.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40311557][img]http://i.imgur.com/rML6F90.png[/img] Look at that rate of change. Look at how the latest data available is from 2005, about seven years ago. I think your info's a little outdated, and I wouldn't call that trend a [B]"clusterfuck of fucked"[/B] as you so eloquently enunciated. This is the last I'll say on India in this thread, and we'd thank you not to derail it further. You're free to continue this discussion with me in PMs, if you like.[/QUOTE] The latest data available is from 2011 and India's HDI score is 0.547, 0.392 when adjusted for inequality That's graded out of 1, btw, with the highest being Norway's 0.89 It's very nice that you want to take it to PM but you can't really expect me to let a factually inaccurate post slide

So.. they deport people for being too good looking? Are they calling everyone else ugly..? :v:

that guy has one hell of a pick up line. "hey babe im so sexy they kicked me out of a country for it"

Their understanding, rather a lack of one, of how or why humans are attracted to each-other is sad and funny at the same time. But since the people have been living in this mess for generations, they truly do believe, and thus perpetuate it with their actions? Either way, these pseudo-Muslim societies are horrible no matter your gender.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40311285] That's fucked up. India really isn't by comparison.[/QUOTE] yeah in India the religious police is everyone else in the community and they have infinitely more power than the saudis

[QUOTE=archangel125;40310850]There are cultural ideologies to be respected, and then there are corrupt establishments of power that rule through barbarism and fear. The heart of Islam, Saudi Arabia, doesn't practice true Islam, and that is sad.[/QUOTE] It's actually interesting that the phrase "True Islam" is pretty accurate. Saudi Arabia is a stronghold for Wahabbi Islam/Salafism, which was created in the 1700's to bring Islam back to the first 300 years of the religion. When people think fundamentalism, mutaween, the Taliban and so forth, this interpretation of Islam is usually at the heart of it. And Saudi Arabia is its biggest exporter, and we don't do jack about it because they're one of the few people in the Middle East we haven't bombed or invaded.

[QUOTE=Zareox7;40314815]They look like they're dancing :D[/QUOTE]Those are some sick moves.

[QUOTE=Eltro102;40317794]yeah in India the religious police is everyone else in the community and they have infinitely more power than the saudis[/QUOTE] Stop talking about India in every goddamn thread Facepunch.

[QUOTE=Eltro102;40317794]yeah in India the religious police is everyone else in the community and they have infinitely more power than the saudis[/QUOTE] Spoken like a true shut-in.

I thought you're not supposed to go full retard

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;40310784]Religious Police are shit nomatter where you are.[/QUOTE] ...and?