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[QUOTE=katbug;43399319]Like you don't make threads about men about feminism every time[/QUOTE] Dude, shut the fuck up.
[QUOTE=Swilly;43399375]Dude, shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] I'm just saying that if a thread is about men's issues, the issue at large is tackled in the threads (let's say it's a job disparity, or custody, or whatever) and the problem at large here is unnecessary removal of sexual organs. There are more than a few "stages" of Female circumcision (which range from circumcision to flat out mutilation), and as soon as I mention this, I'm the bad guy. We shouldn't be removing parts of people's bodies for fucking religious reasons, ever. Edit: The only reason someone would defend circumcision is if they were circumcised and had no idea what they'd lost, or didn't want to be labeled mutilated.
[QUOTE=katbug;43399984]I'm just saying that if a thread is about men's issues, the issue at large is tackled in the threads (let's say it's a job disparity, or custody, or whatever) and the problem at large here is unnecessary removal of sexual organs. There are more than a few "stages" of Female circumcision (which range from circumcision to flat out mutilation), and as soon as I mention this, I'm the bad guy. We shouldn't be removing parts of people's bodies for fucking religious reasons, ever. Edit: The only reason someone would defend circumcision is if they were circumcised and had no idea what they'd lost, or didn't want to be labeled mutilated.[/QUOTE] Okay yeah I feel you but this isn't the thread for talking about your dick Let's get rid of the more damaging and easier to combat type of genital mutilation first because not everything has to be about you
[QUOTE=Angus725;43395891]It's also done for medical reasons.[/QUOTE] Which is justifiable, what the jews do and other religions is stupid and wrong on so many levels that i can't even respect the practice [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=FFStudios;43396114]"to inflict a serious, disfiguring violent act upon someone" no it isn't, i wish you fucking people would stop refer to it as "mutilation" because you sound like a huge pretentious dick when you do it[/QUOTE] It's child abuse
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;43402171]Okay yeah I feel you but this isn't the thread for talking about your dick Let's get rid of the more damaging and easier to combat type of genital mutilation first because not everything has to be about you[/QUOTE] Lmao [QUOTE=Tacosheller;43215293]Except most colleges these days have a majority of women and that kind of shows that they're generally a little bit smarter than dudes lol[/QUOTE] (from a thread about an MMA fight) anyway, the only reason we think that male genital mutilation is "less damaging" is because we practice it in first world countries. If female circumcision was done the same way, we would probably have the same view. The only reason it's "more damaging" is because it's done in third world countries with fucking barbaric methods. But male circumcision doesn't only happen in first world countries: [url]http://www.voanews.com/content/thirty-more-south-african-boys-die-after-botched-circumcision-ritual/1697451.html[/url] This is an example of a male circumcision gone wrong, 30 have died, let alone all the massive damage to other parts of the penis- and this happens all across Africa, just as female circumcision does. Also, even when it is done right, look at how much sensitivity is lost: [img]http://i0.wp.com/www.avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/07/Circ.jpg?resize=508%2C334[/img] I'm not making it about me, I'm making it about all people who are circumcised. I'm not circumcised, and therefore I understand just what these people are losing.
[QUOTE=katbug;43406723]Lmao (from a thread about an MMA fight) anyway, the only reason we think that male genital mutilation is "less damaging" is because we practice it in first world countries. If female circumcision was done the same way, we would probably have the same view. The only reason it's "more damaging" is because it's done in third world countries with fucking barbaric methods. But male circumcision doesn't only happen in first world countries: [URL]http://www.voanews.com/content/thirty-more-south-african-boys-die-after-botched-circumcision-ritual/1697451.html[/URL] This is an example of a male circumcision gone wrong, 30 have died, let alone all the massive damage to other parts of the penis- and this happens all across Africa, just as female circumcision does. Also, even when it is done right, look at how much sensitivity is lost: [IMG]http://i0.wp.com/www.avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/07/Circ.jpg?resize=508%2C334[/IMG] I'm not making it about me, I'm making it about all people who are circumcised. I'm not circumcised, and therefore I understand just what these people are losing.[/QUOTE] The difference between the two is their purpose and their goal. The purpose of male circumcision is based heavily in tradition, and in the modern day, there is very little religious or ethical reasoning behind it other than "I was circumcised so my son will be circumcised." In some cases there is a medical reason behind it. In third world countries it's done because of religious devotion, or in many cases, because the lack of proper hygienic tools requires it be removed to lower the risk of infection. However, female circumcision, if you can even call it that, exists solely with the justification of denying women sexual satisfaction by removing one of the most sensitive regions of their genitals. The clitoris is the main, and sometimes only, erogenous zone women use to reach climax, and contains nearly double the nerve endings of the entire penis. The rest of the vagina, while not devoid of sensitivity, does not provide stimulation outside of psychological satisfaction, and the small number of nerve endings in the labia and in the actual vaginal canal. The nerve endings inside of the actual vagina are negligible, and most women still require clitoral stimulation in order to reach climax during penetrative sex or masturbation, simply because it is not nearly as sensitive. Female genital mutilation doesn't just remove the clitoris, it often removes major portions of the labia as well, leaving the area scarred and infected, and even in clean situations, leaves only the vaginal canal intact. Not only this, men who are circumcised can still easily achieve climax, whereas women who are "circumcised" often cannot; this is the whole point of female genital mutilation. The practice is a sexist dogma created in order to force women into being "pure," because men don't trust that they would stay faithful if they actually enjoyed sexual stimulation. For a better comparison, removing the clitoris is like removing the entire penis, and leaving only a urethral opening. If you *still* think that male circumcision is worse, then you need to understand that while male circumcision is bad because its forced and unwarranted and based on shoddy traditions, FGM is a much more abusive and psychological harmful practice that is rooted in the mistrust and mistreatment of women. There is far more emotional and psychological trauma that occurs because of this than in cases of circumcision. (btw I'm circumcised and I can cum just fine and the sensitivity hasn't made it hard to achieve climax; i can be done in a few minutes or a few hours, but imagine if you had no penis at all, that's female circumcision)
[QUOTE=katbug;43406723]Lmao (from a thread about an MMA fight) anyway, the only reason we think that male genital mutilation is "less damaging" is because we practice it in first world countries. If female circumcision was done the same way, we would probably have the same view. The only reason it's "more damaging" is because it's done in third world countries with fucking barbaric methods. But male circumcision doesn't only happen in first world countries: [url]http://www.voanews.com/content/thirty-more-south-african-boys-die-after-botched-circumcision-ritual/1697451.html[/url] This is an example of a male circumcision gone wrong, 30 have died, let alone all the massive damage to other parts of the penis- and this happens all across Africa, just as female circumcision does. Also, even when it is done right, look at how much sensitivity is lost: [img]http://i0.wp.com/www.avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/07/Circ.jpg?resize=508%2C334[/img] I'm not making it about me, I'm making it about all people who are circumcised. I'm not circumcised, and therefore I understand just what these people are losing.[/QUOTE] Wow if only you'd put as much effort into making me seem like a bad poster as you do not being a shitty person I know you think you're being a cool edgy guy right now but female genital mutilation is a lot worse than circumcision and you can't get that through your head you obviously don't understand what women are losing when this happens to them and are too caught up about something that's nowhere near as severe because you don't understand what it's like to be circumcised as a woman OR a man Basically you're overreacting about male circumcision and downplaying female circumcision when you don't understand anything about either of them as a circumcised guy i can say i still get a hell of a lot of pleasure out of sex female circumcision victims don't really get any clitoral stimulation out of sex because it's fucking cut off
[QUOTE=katbug;43406723]I'm not circumcised, and therefore I understand just what these people are losing.[/QUOTE] An american who isn't circumcised? This cannot be...
i called the shitstorm and its still happening. just stop
[QUOTE=thisispain;43397008]why do i even expect sympathy towards women from this forum[/QUOTE] Yes, one person posting that thinks that male circumcision is as bad and received numerous negative ratings for that opinion means that Facepunch hates women. The reason why everyone is talking about male circumcision is because most people on this forum are male and there is no question that female circumcision is fucking awful.
[QUOTE=Thlis;43407125]Yes, one person posting that thinks that male circumcision is as bad and received numerous negative ratings for that opinion means that Facepunch hates women. The reason why everyone is talking about male circumcision is because most people on this forum are male and there is no question that female circumcision is fucking awful.[/QUOTE] this isn't a thread about male circumcision so there's no reason to talk about it why not actually talk about the article why not take the male circumcision debate to mass debate or threads that are actually about male circumcision
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;43406892]Wow if only you'd put as much effort into making me seem like a bad poster as you do not being a shitty person I know you think you're being a cool edgy guy right now but female genital mutilation is a lot worse than circumcision and you can't get that through your head you obviously don't understand what women are losing when this happens to them and are too caught up about something that's nowhere near as severe because you don't understand what it's like to be circumcised as a woman OR a man Basically you're overreacting about male circumcision and downplaying female circumcision when you don't understand anything about either of them as a circumcised guy i can say i still get a hell of a lot of pleasure out of sex female circumcision victims don't really get any clitoral stimulation out of sex because it's fucking cut off[/QUOTE] I don't think I'm being cool OR edgy, I think that removing ANY part of someone's genitalia unless it is strictly for medical reasons is an abomination. Me comparing female circumcision to male circumcision was not to downplay the horrors that FGM brings, but to show a comparison of what our socially accepted form of mutilation is in reality. Our first world version of circumcision is nowhere near as severe as the third world one, but third world surgeries are awful pretty much always, as I showed in the article I posted earlier, and how those boys got gangrenous penises or parts of their glans cut off entirely. Also, how do I not understand male circumcision? I have all my parts down there, and therefore know what it's like to have them; and I can say from my fully intact point of view that just the parts they remove account for about half of all sensation, let alone the glans which after exposure gets a far thicker layer of skin around it to protect itself. On another note, here's an article that you should probably read; the cultures where fgm happens are totally different from ours, to the point that women actually want this to happen to their bodies. From our perspective it's horrible, but to them, it's life (which I totally am completely against, but found this article when searching around online) [url]http://www.jmu.edu/evision/archive/volume2/Meyerhardt.html[/url]
[QUOTE=katbug;43409540]I don't think I'm being cool OR edgy, I think that removing ANY part of someone's genitalia unless it is strictly for medical reasons is an abomination. Me comparing female circumcision to male circumcision was not to downplay the horrors that FGM brings, but to show a comparison of what our socially accepted form of mutilation is in reality. Our first world version of circumcision is nowhere near as severe as the third world one, but third world surgeries are awful pretty much always, as I showed in the article I posted earlier, and how those boys got gangrenous penises or parts of their glans cut off entirely. Also, how do I not understand male circumcision? I have all my parts down there, and therefore know what it's like to have them; and I can say from my fully intact point of view that just the parts they remove account for about half of all sensation, let alone the glans which after exposure gets a far thicker layer of skin around it to protect itself. On another note, here's an article that you should probably read; the cultures where fgm happens are totally different from ours, to the point that women actually want this to happen to their bodies. From our perspective it's horrible, but to them, it's life (which I totally am completely against, but found this article when searching around online) [url]http://www.jmu.edu/evision/archive/volume2/Meyerhardt.html[/url][/QUOTE] Okay we both know that both types of circumcision are things that are bad okay both are things that should be banned but there is literally no reason to start a dumbass shitstorm about baby dick cutting in a thread about baby vagina cutting we don't need to make everything about the problems that dudes face you don't have people yelling "oh, but the holocaust was a-ok!!" in a thread condemning the long-running native american genocide
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;43410090]Okay we both know that both types of circumcision are things that are bad okay both are things that should be banned but there is literally no reason to start a dumbass shitstorm about baby dick cutting in a thread about baby vagina cutting we don't need to make everything about the problems that dudes face you don't have people yelling "oh, but the holocaust was a-ok!!" in a thread condemning the long-running native american genocide[/QUOTE] That's because literally nobody but psychopaths believes that the holocaust was an OK thing. Meanwhile almost my entire damn nation thinks this is fine, and in fact good for kids.
wait, why are people talking about male circumcision right now? the thread is about female circumcision jesus christ. we get it, the majority of facepunch is against circumcision. everyone knows that. please take the "its just like cutting out your eyeballs" posts to threads that are about male circumcision because [I]>>>>this thread is NOT about male circumcision .<<<<[/I]
[QUOTE=katbug;43395094]and male circumcision is a-ok[/QUOTE] It also serves a completely different purpose, and for the most part doesn't do harm, even if it is in modern times a bit pointless
yo kat, i dont think you understand how bad the whole "im uncircumcised, i know what im talking about" argument is one could easily counter-argue with "you're not circumsized and thus do not know what you're missing" [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=milkandcooki;43410157]wait, why are people talking about male circumcision right now? the thread is about female circumcision jesus christ. we get it, the majority of facepunch is against circumcision. everyone knows that. please take the "its just like cutting out your eyeballs" posts to threads that are about male circumcision because [I]>>>>this thread is NOT about male circumcision .<<<<[/I][/QUOTE] It had to be brought up because some idiot thought that male and female were the same thing
[QUOTE=katbug;43399319]Like you don't make threads about men about feminism every time[/QUOTE] maybe if you weren't completely incapable of understanding the basic idea behind feminism you'd understand why it's relevant in a thread dealing with gender issues. male and female circumcision are not the same because they are different procedures done on different sex organs. that's not to say male circumcision isn't bad because it is, but there was absolutely no reason to bring it up. all it does is exemplify your persecution complex because you always have to make things about [I]you[/I] and discuss [I]your[/I] problems.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43410885]maybe if you weren't completely incapable of understanding the basic idea behind feminism you'd understand why it's relevant in a thread dealing with gender issues. male and female circumcision are not the same because they are different procedures done on different sex organs. that's not to say male circumcision isn't bad because it is, but there was absolutely no reason to bring it up. all it does is exemplify your persecution complex because you always have to make things about [I]you[/I] and discuss [I]your[/I] problems.[/QUOTE] No not really, as I am uncircumcised, it does not affect me in the slightest However, it does affect other people. Just as you try to make everything about feminism, because that affects other people as well.
i will never understand how people can argue so much and so angrily about dick skin
You people who all claim male circumcision isnt comparable to female are fucked in the head they are both abhorable practices involving genital mutilation for mostly religious reasons. The amount of damage done to males is at the behest of the practician and invloves the removal of thousands of fine touch receptors and kereatinzation of the rest of the tissues both practices are equally disgusting.
[QUOTE=Proj3ct_ZeRo;43412251]You people who all claim male circumcision isnt comparable to female are fucked in the head they are both abhorable practices involving genital mutilation for mostly religious reasons. The amount of damage done to males is at the behest of the practician and invloves the removal of thousands of fine touch receptors and kereatinzation of the rest of the tissues both practices are equally disgusting.[/QUOTE] I agree completely, but once again just to make sure we're all on the same page, third world medical practices are different than first world. Third world FGM isn't comparable to first world circumcision, but third world circumcision definitely is.
[QUOTE=Proj3ct_ZeRo;43412251]You people who all claim male circumcision isnt comparable to female are fucked in the head they are both abhorable practices involving genital mutilation for mostly religious reasons. The amount of damage done to males is at the behest of the practician and invloves the removal of thousands of fine touch receptors and kereatinzation of the rest of the tissues both practices are equally disgusting.[/QUOTE] Male circumcision doesn't remove your ability to feel pleasure during sex and doesn't make it painful either
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;43411260]i will never understand how people can argue so much and so angrily about dick skin[/QUOTE] ethnocentrism. pretty much every culture has something to say about genitalia and sometimes views clash p bad.
[QUOTE=katbug;43406723] Also, even when it is done right, look at how much sensitivity is lost: [img]http://i0.wp.com/www.avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/07/Circ.jpg?resize=508%2C334[/img][/QUOTE] Great graph. I've been swayed by that MS Office 3d bar chart with no units and no source for it's information. I'm not even pro-circumcision, but come on.
Circumcision may have had it's use thousands of years ago when bathing in some countries wasn't an everyday thing, but nowadays, chances of infection are ridiculously low so this isn't even needed. Maybe for those of different religions or cultures during the time, the mindset was/is "if it works well now, nothing should change it."
[QUOTE=katbug;43411243]No not really, as I am uncircumcised, it does not affect me in the slightest However, it does affect other people. Just as you try to make everything about feminism, because that affects other people as well.[/QUOTE] fuck you dude, the only people that agree to your creepy little posts and shit are your retard circlejerk of MRA neckbeard fucks. you probably have a skype convo open with them. "alright guys, check out the SICK zinger I'm about to lay down on this feminazi... heheheheh..." *strokes cock as I shoot up feminism on an internet forum* "alright guys, rate me agree and zing!" fuck you and fuck your stupid fucking face fuck you katbug [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight]
I'm circumcised, and I can still orgasm. If it's true that I have less sensitivity, it just means I can last longer. hah!
[QUOTE=surfur;43414509]I'm circumcised, and I can still orgasm. If it's true that I have less sensitivity, it just means I can last longer. hah![/QUOTE] Hah!
[QUOTE=katbug;43395094]and male circumcision is a-ok[/QUOTE] Next time you're talking about male circumcision I'm going to butt into the conversation and immediately change the topic so you can't talk about it, effectively shitting all over the discussion, ok
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