• Watch: Animal rights activist storms restaurant and tells diners they’re eating her chicken
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I eat extra meat just to spite all of the vegans out there.
For anyone coming in I'll save you time "Meat is morally wrong" "I eat meat because fuck vegans, I'm eating meat right now" "Scientifically questionable analysis of impact on meat production on society" "Scientifically questionable counter-analysis" "Meat is cheap" Save yourself some time. Close the thread.
[QUOTE=Paku;46182223]We can be predators if we want to, but we aren't carnivores and we don't NEED to hunt animals.[/QUOTE] We also don't need heated pools, videogames, engaging novels, beautiful artwork, and realistic breast implants either.
[QUOTE=lunarwalrus;46188338]For anyone coming in I'll save you time "Meat is morally wrong" "I eat meat because fuck vegans, I'm eating meat right now" "Scientifically questionable analysis of impact on meat production on society" "Scientifically questionable counter-analysis" "Meat is cheap" Save yourself some time. Close the thread.[/QUOTE] I have come to the conclusion that eating meat has never been the real issue with all this. It comes down to greed and lack of love for each other. People taking what they don't need, or more than what they need, and little love towards other human beings. We don't need to eat so much meat that we damage the environment and cause unnecessary suffering, and we need to help those in need.
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;46188104] Fast food costs more than real, healthy food. Of course, in certain areas, if you don't have things like a few farmers markets, then it will cost a bit more for fresh food than it would if you lived near farmers markets, but even then, what you pay for in quality food, you get to save on medical bills. You get to live longer, and healthier. And your health or your greatest wealth. Most fast food, if not all of it, is designed to be made as cheap as possible, some of the ingredients aren't even food. And it is expensive. I don't know how anyone can deny that, unless they don't cook for themselves. And don't forget that soon after you eat the fast food, you are hungry again. Whereas when you eat quality food, it really fills you up.[/QUOTE] Ok, lets pretend that your info that I can literally lift from a PETA article is factually correct. The cost isn't just financial - if everyone could cook for themselves, there would be no issue. However, for a good amount of people, this isnt a viable option, as they do not have the disposable time to spend such extended periods of time cooking. [img]http://www.injoymint.com/images/storage/images/The%20cost%20of%20eating%20healthy.jpg[/img] This suggests to me that not only is the time and effort cost bigger, but so is the financial cost and the gap is only widening, partly because of misplaced government funding and subsidies. Hardly anything goes towards the production of fruits and vegetables and the like. Not only that, what about GMOs, pesticides, hormones, antibiotics, the list goes on and on. These all reside in the cheapest of vegetables you can buy. If you want the good stuff, you gotta buy organic, which is much more expensive. Can you see where I'm going here? The path to eating healthy just isn't currently sustainable for a good portion of the world. I'm not saying don't eat your fruits and veggies, no , of course not, but it simply makes no sense to completely eliminate meat and other "unhealthy" foods because of a moral crisis that the video tries to push on others. Were kind of branching off of the original point here - which is should you eat meat or not? To that I say yes, you totally should, because it's a solid source of calories and protein, but everyone should try to cut back on red meat and fried stuff in order to take a look at alternatives like grilled chicken. Is there any logical reason to avoid those more healthy alternatives other than to sidestep guilt? [QUOTE=GeeOhDee;46188510]I have come to the conclusion that eating meat has never been the real issue with all this. It comes down to greed and lack of love for each other. People taking what they don't need, or more than what they need, and little love towards other human beings. We don't need to eat so much meat that we damage the environment and cause unnecessary suffering, and we need to help those in need.[/QUOTE] That's something I can certainly agree with. The distribution of wealth among the world is not at the point yet where we can worry about a petty guilt trip when we eat. If you can afford being a vegetarian or a vegan and still retain your original consumption of the necessary nutrition, then go for it. The issue lies when people insensitively push their ideology onto others without considering their point of view and their struggles.
Healthy food CAN cost less, but once you factor in the means in which you have to go prepare the food, cook, and time spent + storing it; fast food and unhealthy food wins. [QUOTE=RichyZ;46188584]iirc more caloric output could be made by replacing cattle with various wheats and grains we dont need meat, but damned if it doesnt taste good[/QUOTE] We still need meet because there is no affordable or substantial alternative of vegetables that provide all the same amount of minerals, vitamins and proteins, while being affordable. Until we can bioengineer(which starts a whole new argument) a plant that does that, we are still going to need meat.
[quote] fuck off and let me eat my steak you tree hugging hippie! *throws fork at protester*[/quote]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;46188655]theres no other affordable vegetables or other alternatives because they aren't subsidized by the government or private companies[/QUOTE] What? The Farmers union/lobby is a huge thing, the problem is the yield that vegetables provide vs the yield that mammals provide given the same acreage. Protip: one keeps growing in the fall/winter months
[QUOTE=Paku;46181759]I think he meant hunting like this [video=youtube;wJiZ2HgV5E0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJiZ2HgV5E0[/video][/QUOTE] Seeing that cunt leg it after a goanna at 1:23 was fantastic also I love how he has a mullet straya
Also I can't take people who cry and get hysterical like this woman I had a friend named Josh who dealt with his adversity in a similar was, he gets so angry that he just cries and can't handle shit anymore and I tell you what a full grown man with a beard crying in front of you is not an acceptable way to deal with adversity
[QUOTE=markedOne;46181352]Right, any cold hard SCIENTIFIC proof that we dont need meat to function at max capacity?[/QUOTE] yo eating meat to the extent that most of the civilized societies eat nowadays is completely unnecessary. people often have a large portion of meat with every single meal of the day. this extremely high consumption of meat that is now common isn't very healthy, and actually contributes to the number one cause of death in the world. vegetarian diets have a 24% lower mortality rate of coronary artery disease than regular meat eaters, and a fish but no meat diet had a 34% lower rate. And the findings were from data including over 76,000 people so it seems like pretty discernible evidence: [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479225"]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479225[/URL] this massive consumption of meat just isn't healthy and our intake should really be decreased, but as apparent in this thread everyone is adamant about eating it quite often with the only real argument being that it's so "DAMN TASTY!". It should be consumed on occasion and as a side instead of a huge slab as the main dish and barely anything else. i've switched to a diet with seafood but no beef, pork, and rarely poultry and i feel healthier the past few months, though it may be because I removed fast food from my diet too. i'd encourage looking into having a diet similar to the Mediterranean diet, arguably the healthiest diet in the world, where meat consumption (especially beef) is much, much lower. it's something to consider, with the benefits being a healthier diet and not supporting a damaging industry.
[QUOTE=Paku;46183019]Animals aren't born with bacteria inside them, they have to get it from somewhere.[/QUOTE] Oh my god what are you doing. You've been rebutted multiple times by clearly educated people who presented credible source material. Yet you keep posting with little to no source material. [QUOTE=Paku;46183019] Do you?[/QUOTE] Oh lord here we go.
[QUOTE=locojaws;46188778]yo eating meat to the extent that most of the civilized societies eat nowadays is completely unnecessary. people often have a large portion of meat with every single meal of the day. this extremely high consumption of meat that is now common isn't very healthy, and actually contributes to the number one cause of death in the world. vegetarian diets have a 24% lower mortality rate of coronary artery disease than regular meat eaters, and a fish but no meat diet had a 34% lower rate. And the findings were from data including over 76,000 people so it seems like pretty discernible evidence: [URL]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479225[/URL] this massive consumption of meat just isn't healthy and our intake should really be decreased, but as apparent in this thread everyone is adamant about eating it quite often with the only real argument being that it's so "DAMN TASTY!". It should be consumed on occasion and as a side instead of a huge slab as the main dish and barely anything else. i've switched to a diet with seafood but no beef, pork, and rarely poultry and i feel healthier the past few months, though it may be because I removed fast food from my diet too. i'd encourage looking into having a diet similar to the Mediterranean diet, arguably the healthiest diet in the world, where meat consumption (especially beef) is much, much lower. it's something to consider, with the benefits being a healthier diet and not supporting a damaging industry.[/QUOTE] Honestly, I would rather die 5 years early and eat lots of delicious meat my entire life. [QUOTE=Paku;46182091][video=youtube;es6U00LMmC4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4[/video][/QUOTE] I also watched this entire video because I was interested in any possible arguments... my conclusion is that this guy is a massive tool. I don't think he made a single coherent point. I mean, he tries to be scientific and then concludes it by saying that people shouldn't bring up studies to contradict him during question time. I just watched the Q&A as well... and those people in the audience are idiots. I don't even agree with the guy and I think the vast majority of the questions were dumb and easily defeated.
[QUOTE=TestECull;46181710]I'd be more like "Quit bitching or I am going to order another chicken sandwitch."[/QUOTE]"Wow, such an informative speech....damn that made me hungry. WAITER! Your finest london broil please....and yes, make it rare." :v:
this is the worst sort of vegetarianism I really don't give a shit what people prefer to eat, what I take exception to is these people's need to bolster their personal sense of moral superiority by fucking constantly declaring themselves ethically above the rest of us "murderers". Usually very publicly and very loudly.
Imagine a bulk, big man with a huge beard storming into a restaraunt, and screaming at girl with vegetable salad: "You are eating my poor radish! It was so young!"
[QUOTE=locojaws;46188778]yo eating meat to the extent that most of the civilized societies eat nowadays is completely unnecessary. people often have a large portion of meat with every single meal of the day. this extremely high consumption of meat that is now common isn't very healthy, and actually contributes to the number one cause of death in the world. vegetarian diets have a 24% lower mortality rate of coronary artery disease than regular meat eaters, and a fish but no meat diet had a 34% lower rate. And the findings were from data including over 76,000 people so it seems like pretty discernible evidence: [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479225"]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479225[/URL] this massive consumption of meat just isn't healthy and our intake should really be decreased, but as apparent in this thread everyone is adamant about eating it quite often with the only real argument being that it's so "DAMN TASTY!". It should be consumed on occasion and as a side instead of a huge slab as the main dish and barely anything else. i've switched to a diet with seafood but no beef, pork, and rarely poultry and i feel healthier the past few months, though it may be because I removed fast food from my diet too. i'd encourage looking into having a diet similar to the Mediterranean diet, arguably the healthiest diet in the world, where meat consumption (especially beef) is much, much lower. it's something to consider, with the benefits being a healthier diet and not supporting a damaging industry.[/QUOTE] Despite my arguments against Paku earlier in the thread, I completely agree that many areas of the world, especially much of Europe and North America, eat far too much meat. There are plenty of people who could easily cut their average daily intake of meat in half, and still be eating more than enough.
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;46184994]this entire sentence, lol what literally no one thinks out loud that smoking is "cool" and why are you comparing smoking to being vegen[/QUOTE] You don't have to explicitly state that it's cool to show that you think it's cool. There's a very vocal group of people who unnecessarily have to bring their smoking/vaping habits into discussions that, in my opinion at least, makes them appear like they're trying to be cool and edgy (same w/ some vegans). There's a "weed culture" where people obviously have respect for others just because they smoke weed (I don't want to derail thread, am completely neutral about/happy for people who smoke weed before anyone flames me/twists my words or starts another debate. My point is that some people do think others are cool for smoking) Not that I'm against people who smoke or vape or w/e but it seems a little hypocritical when people who claim they don't eat meat are faced with ridicule when it's arguably less dangerous (smoking, at least). Like I said, people like OP take it way too far and it gives others a bad image. Vegans, on the other hand, is up for debate whether it's less healthy. But I'm not here to debate about that. Please don't try and twist what I say
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46181354]Yeah, it's totally not the fact that people use antibiotics for frivolous things such as ear infections that would go away on their own. And also not the fact that many people don't take antibiotics until they're done.[/QUOTE] Though Flyingman's post was blatantly retarded, "The meat industry is the reason antibiotic resistant superbugs are evolving" is actually 100% true. However that could easily be solved by them not pumping antibiotics into animals all day. As for other important points, eating less meat in general is probably a good idea. If you grew up anything like I did, meat made up 1/2 or even more of your meal, when ideally it should make up no more than a third (and probably less). You don't have to stop eating meat to have a healthy diet, just eat less of it. I can understand the temptation to eat meat though, especially in a cold climate like mine: the energy density and protein contents feel good to eat, but the cold pushes your body to store more fat too.
Wait, wait, wait... What the fuck. How would she know if [I]her[/I] own pet chicken from that [I]particular[/I] restaurant was being [I]eaten[/I]? I'm not sure if I read something wrong or if I was meant to watch the video. But jeez. Some people.
[QUOTE=Paku;46181688]I'm not a vegan but vegans refer to this speech as the holy grail of Veganism [video=youtube;es6U00LMmC4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4[/video][/QUOTE] I'm not going to pretend that the dairy/meat industry is a very humane or pretty thing, but I'm also not going to pretend that it exists because I bought a hamburger with bacon and cheese on it. And that if I stop buying it, then I'm a better person for it. Maybe he's right. We have essentially enslaved cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys, and fish to create sustenance for ourselves. But, if the meat industry stopped making the meat, milk, and cheese available for me, I would probably go out and kill my self some fucking cows, and make some fucking steaks. It's not like the only reason we like meat is because of the meat industry. We like it because we're human, and we like to eat some fucking hamburgers.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;46198440]I'm not going to pretend that the dairy/meat industry is a very humane or pretty thing, but I'm also not going to pretend that it exists because I bought a hamburger with bacon and cheese on it. And that if I stop buying it, then I'm a better person for it. Maybe he's right. We have essentially enslaved cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys, and fish to create sustenance for ourselves. But, if the meat industry stopped making the meat, milk, and cheese available for me, I would probably go out and kill my self some fucking cows, and make some fucking steaks. It's not like the only reason we like meat is because of the meat industry. We like it because we're human, and we like to eat some fucking hamburgers.[/QUOTE] Honestly I'd just take up hunting. I eat a lot of wild meat already, going all-in wouldn't be much of a change for me. I'd miss making my own italian sausage though. Not the same without pork.
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[QUOTE=locojaws;46188778]yo eating meat to the extent that most of the civilized societies eat nowadays is completely unnecessary. people often have a large portion of meat with every single meal of the day. this extremely high consumption of meat that is now common isn't very healthy, and actually contributes to the number one cause of death in the world. vegetarian diets have a 24% lower mortality rate of coronary artery disease than regular meat eaters, and a fish but no meat diet had a 34% lower rate. And the findings were from data including over 76,000 people so it seems like pretty discernible evidence: [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479225"]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479225[/URL] this massive consumption of meat just isn't healthy and our intake should really be decreased, but as apparent in this thread everyone is adamant about eating it quite often with the only real argument being that it's so "DAMN TASTY!". It should be consumed on occasion and as a side instead of a huge slab as the main dish and barely anything else. i've switched to a diet with seafood but no beef, pork, and rarely poultry and i feel healthier the past few months, though it may be because I removed fast food from my diet too. i'd encourage looking into having a diet similar to the Mediterranean diet, arguably the healthiest diet in the world, where meat consumption (especially beef) is much, much lower. it's something to consider, with the benefits being a healthier diet and not supporting a damaging industry.[/QUOTE] God if I could eat seafood every day of my life I'd die happy. Would really miss chicken though. :<
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