• Watch: Animal rights activist storms restaurant and tells diners they’re eating her chicken
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I have a pet chicken and I don't cry when I or someone else eats chicken. :^)
I'm not a vegan but vegans refer to this speech as the holy grail of Veganism [video=youtube;es6U00LMmC4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4[/video]
[QUOTE=laserpanda;46181628]There's plenty of cheaper sources of protein than meat, they just don't taste good. There's a reason those big tubs of whey powder are never unflavored.[/QUOTE] The solution then could be to let cows live longer and increase the whey powder production. When the cow then reaches a certain age/health it get's slaughtered and used for meat. I personal would think they already to this, for maximum profit, but they might maybe cut the cows life short so that they can produce "top quality" meat for us the consumer.
[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;46181273]I'd be so urged to shout "I'm eating Snow's sister and hot-damn she's delicious!"[/QUOTE] I'd be more like "Quit bitching or I am going to order another chicken sandwitch."
[QUOTE=RobbL;46181491]Ain't watched the video yet, but- Why are people so reluctant to accept to accept that our voracious appetite for meat is awfully inefficient (the calories put in vs. the calories we get out; the area of cropland needed for a certain calorie output vs. the area of pastureland needed for the same calorie output; ect.) and unnecessarily damaging to the environment (again, the huge amount of land needed; carbon emissions; ect.)? You don't even need to get into the animal rights side of things Not saying that we should drop meat all together, but seeing as by 2050 food production may need to double, we will NEED to cut down on the amount of meat we eat and switch to more efficient ways of growing that meat we do eat.[/QUOTE] Some people react very strongly to the idea that meat-heavy diets aren't sustainable or really healthy in the long run, and I say this as someone who loves to grill steak. I guess it's because it impacts people in a really personal way. What's interesting to me is how often people say 'I don't care if it's inefficient, unhealthy, or bad for the environment, I enjoy it so go away' when it comes to meat (see a couple posts above this), but if you were to take the same approach with something like fossil fuels you'd be called an idiot. Like you said, meat production is really, awfully inefficient and damaging to the environment, and the issue of antibiotics with food animals is a serious issue- but it gets totally brushed off because people enjoy eating meat. This woman is a nut trying to send a message in the worst way possible, and I think meat is delicious, but I don't think those facts should be a free pass from having to consider the effects of a meat-heavy culture.
[QUOTE=Zero!;46181709]The solution then could be to let cows live longer and increase the whey powder production. When the cow then reaches a certain age/health it get's slaughtered and used for meat. I personal would think they already to this, for maximum profit, but they might maybe cut the cows life short so that they can produce "top quality" meat for us the consumer.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure vegans won't buy this because "Murder is murder" "Humane killing?"
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;46181374]Id rather just hunt at this point, all be it I want to hunt now, but when meats expensive Id rather just go in the woods and get my own from natures supermarket[/QUOTE] Hunting isn't always cheaper. For instance, year before last, I had $3,500 in expenses. This included reoccurring expenditures like licenses, food, gas, and meat packaging materials (freezer paper, freezer tape, etc...). It also includes one time expenditures like my new rifle and scope, new hunting equipment (to replace old equipment), and anything new I needed (like my stand heater). After killing only one deer, and harvesting the 50 lbs of meat from it, that comes out to $70 per pound of meat. This year's estimated total expenditure is ~$900. If I kill 2 deer at an average of 50lbs per deer of useable meat, that's $9 per pound. Do the math before you start and see if it's worth it to you. My case is a little different because I'm hunting in another state, so I have to get a $320 non-resident license every year and spend more in fuel. Yours costs may vary.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46181748]Hunting isn't always cheaper. For instance, year before last, I had $3,500 in expenses. This included reoccurring expenditures like licenses, food, gas, and meat packaging materials (freezer paper, freezer tape, etc...). It also includes one time expenditures like my new rifle and scope, new hunting equipment (to replace old equipment), and anything new I needed (like my stand heater). After killing only one deer, and harvesting the 50 lbs of meat from it, that comes out to $70 per pound of meat. This year's estimated total expenditure is ~$900. If I kill 2 deer at an average of 50lbs per deer of useable meat, that's $9 per pound. Do the math before you start and see if it's worth it to you. My case is a little different because I'm hunting in another state, so I have to get a $320 non-resident license every year and spend more in fuel. Yours costs may vary.[/QUOTE] I think he meant hunting like this [video=youtube;wJiZ2HgV5E0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJiZ2HgV5E0[/video]
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46181311]-You don't need meat -The meat industry is one of the number one causes of greenhouse gas emissions -The meat industry is one of the main reasons countries all over the world are in water shortages -The meat industry is the reason antibiotic resistant superbugs are evolving -Humane killing, lol, next we should try cold fire[/QUOTE] "You don't need meat" Good luck trying to function, do sports, walk, run, play, or do anything else without meat, because your soy or something is going to do [I]SOMETHING[/I].
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46181311]-You don't need meat -The meat industry is one of the number one causes of greenhouse gas emissions -The meat industry is one of the main reasons countries all over the world are in water shortages -The meat industry is the reason antibiotic resistant superbugs are evolving -Humane killing, lol, next we should try cold fire[/QUOTE] And just because of this, I'm going to eat twice as much meat for the next month. Just to piss you off.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;46181763]"You don't need meat" Good luck trying to function, do sports, walk, run, play, or do anything else without meat, because your soy or something is going to do [I]SOMETHING[/I].[/QUOTE] A soy based diet is bad for your health, but I'm pretty sure you can function without meat just fine. Here is a vegan bodybuilder for example: Patrik Baboumian [IMG]http://www.greatveganathletes.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/field/image/Patrik%20Baboumian.jpg[/IMG]
It doesn't bother me when other people eat chicken, but having my own flock of pet chickens has absolutely RUINED eating chicken for me personally. It just doesn't taste the same anymore since I've had my "girls". I still eat other meat when it isn't too expensive.
[QUOTE=Paku;46181731]I'm pretty sure vegans won't buy this because "Murder is murder" "Humane killing?"[/QUOTE] I wish we could live in a world where everything is unicorns that fart rainbows and castle that float on clouds, but we are gonna have to face the facts. I totally agree, there are probably gonna be people out there that just gonna keep that mindset forever. But they have to open up for a truce. Killing animals isn't gonna stop over night. This is basic instinct program in to our very DNA/Cell. It's a long process that needs a lot of time, research and patience. We are probably never gonna stop killing animals for food. Hell, as soon as we find a sustainable planet that has life we will probably kill the first thing we see that moves. But the human race can at least work together at a common goal to be effectiveness as possible as a race. What i mean by that is, not to wast resources, kill only what we need to be a sustainable race and do as little damage as possible to the environment that we live in. Atm we only have 1 planet to gamble with and should we lose that gamble there are no buybacks.
[QUOTE=Zero!;46181270]Don't get me wrong the mass-production of food is far from a beautiful thing, but it's the only way to feed the modern world. I do agree we have to keep finding more humane ways to mass murder animals for food, but we got to eat. Running in to a restaurant and disturbing the guest is not the right way to get this message across.[/QUOTE] Most of the world could actually be fed with what we're feeding the cattle that we slaughter. [editline]8th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zero!;46181814]I wish we could live in a world where everything is unicorns that fart rainbows and castle that float on clouds, but we are gonna have to face the facts. I totally agree, there are probably gonna be people out there that just gonna keep that mindset forever. But they have to open up for a truce. Killing animals isn't gonna stop over night. This is basic instinct program in to our very DNA/Cell. It's a long process that needs a lot of time, research and passion. We are probably never gonna stop killing animals for food. Hell, as soon as we find a sustainable planet that has life we will probably kill the first thing we see that moves. But the human race can at least work together at a common goal to be effectiveness as possible as a race. What i mean by that is, not to wast resources, kill only what we need to be a sustainable race and do as little damage as possible to the environment that we live in. Atm we only have 1 planet to gamble with and should we lose that gamble there are no buybacks.[/QUOTE] Killing animals isn't built into our DNA, it's learned. Plus most people don't have to deal with killing the animals themselves anyway.
[QUOTE=Paku;46181828]Most of the world could actually be fed with what we're feeding the cattle that we slaughter. [editline]8th October 2014[/editline] Killing animals isn't built into our DNA, it's learned. Plus most people don't have to deal with killing the animals themselves anyway.[/QUOTE] To be honest most, if not the entire, world can be fed with what we have right now, even while feeding the cattle. Inequalities in food distribution and massive poverty is what is causing starvation at the moment, not feeding cattle.
[QUOTE=Fetret;46181856]To be honest most, if not the entire, world can be fed with what we have right now, even while feeding the cattle. Inequalities in food distribution and massive poverty is what is causing starvation at the moment, not feeding cattle.[/QUOTE] The point is that we don't need meat to feed the entire population of earth, it's inefficient.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46181311]-You don't need meat [/quote] Fair enough but it is really tasty and gives a cheap source of protein to people who dont live in regions where protein rich plants grow well! [quote] -The meat industry is one of the number one causes of greenhouse gas emissions [/quote] First, that's bullshit, livestock farming is the second smallest producer of greenhouse gasses. Electrical generation, transportation, and general industry produce far more greenhouse gasses. [quote] -The meat industry is one of the main reasons countries all over the world are in water shortages [/quote] Nonsense, shitty non-food farming practices (rubber plantations, etc) and poorly regulated industry (chemicals and plastics) are far larger contributors to water overuse than meat production. [quote] -The meat industry is the reason antibiotic resistant superbugs are evolving [/quote] Partly true, although overuse of antibiotics in humans and a complete lack of public knowledge on proper antibiotic disposal are factors with a much more significant effect on human health. [quote] -Humane killing, lol, next we should try cold fire[/QUOTE] this isnt even an argument 0/10 Thanks, Timebomb575, resident environmental scientist [editline]e[/editline] Disclaimer: Our current meat consumption level is pretty crappy for the environment and will have to change in the future if we expect to keep the planet in good shape. But, eliminating meat consumption is a stupid idea and will have environmental effects of its own.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46181884] this isn't even an argument 0/10[/QUOTE] How is it not an argument, how can any form of killing be humane?
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46181311]-You don't need meat -The meat industry is one of the number one causes of greenhouse gas emissions -The meat industry is one of the main reasons countries all over the world are in water shortages -The meat industry is the reason antibiotic resistant superbugs are evolving -Humane killing, lol, next we should try cold fire[/QUOTE] Its funny, ignoring your other stupid statements the dumbest shit you said is "Humane killing, lol, next we should try cold fire" Really dude? Are you fucking serious? Theres a parasite that kills its host by making it commit suicide in water. There is a spider that gives flesh eating necrosis. There is a fish that swims up your dick. Animals are not humane and we are ultimately the only species that has an infinite amount of way of killing. Would you rather I bash a cow in the face with my fists until it dies in a long slow process, or maybe torture it with medevil ways? Or would you rather just me shoot compressed air cleanly into its brain killing it instantly without feeling any pain. Humane killing is a big reason chemical warfare isnt a huge thing, think of that, even in fucking war where rules dont apply and humans being the biggest assholes on this planet and the respect of not using chemical warfare has always been there because of the humane aspect. Is it still used? By some, but those are the big minority. Also to refute even your first point of retarded logic, heres more retarded equal logic. You don't need vegetables. Thank god im a human born naturally as an omnivore with the choice and canine teeth. Also let me know when you get off your self-righteousness and start figuring out what to do with the thousands of years of domestication of animals such as cows/chickens/sheep/pigs when you magically release them from the meat industry. They are animals that cannot be released into the wild and need constant human care and probably 100s of years to undomesticate if thats even possible, and they would outbreed and overtake any sanction you give them, for fucksakes some chickens are pretty much grown like plants. You tell me how bad it is but doesnt even have a solution yourself, as if these problems magically go away without eating meat.
[QUOTE=Paku;46181880]The point is that we don't need meat to feed the entire population of earth, it's inefficient.[/QUOTE] Producing protein sources and getting them to places where they dont grow naturally is also inefficient. You know what was actually really shitty for the environment? The Quinoa/"ancient grain"/superfood craze in the US. People demanded tons of grains than only grow in very specific parts of the world, which necessitated the destruction of environments in those regions for farming use and resulted in long supply lines to satify demand far from the source of production. The amount of greenhouse gasses given off by goods transport is staggering. Don't be fooled into thinking that health foods are spectacular for the environment.
[QUOTE=Paku;46181921]How is it not an argument, how can any form of killing be humane?[/QUOTE] While my example has nothing to do with food production, is putting down extremely ill animals inhumane? I'd consider euthanizing a cancer filled pet to be humane compared to letting it die miserably.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46181946]Its funny, ignoring your other stupid statements the dumbest shit you said is "Humane killing, lol, next we should try cold fire" Really dude? Are you fucking serious? Theres a parasite that kills its host by making it commit suicide in water. There is a spider that gives flesh eating necrosis. There is a fish that swims up your dick. Animals are not humane and we are ultimately the only species that has an infinite amount of way of killing. Would you rather I bash a cow in the face with my fists until it dies in a long slow process, or maybe torture it with medevil ways? Or would you rather just me shoot compressed air cleanly into its brain killing it instantly without feeling any pain. Humane killing is a big reason chemical warfare isnt a huge thing, think of that, even in fucking war where rules dont apply and humans being the biggest assholes on this planet and the respect of not using chemical warfare has always been there because of the humane aspect. Is it still used? By some, but those are the big minority. Also to refute even your first point of retarded logic, heres more retarded equal logic. You don't need vegetables. Thank god im a human born naturally as an omnivore with the choice and canine teeth. Also let me know when you get off your self-righteousness and start figuring out what to do with the thousands of years of domestication of animals such as cows/chickens/sheep/pigs when you magically release them from the meat industry. They are animals that cannot be released into the wild and need constant human care and probably 100s of years to undomesticate if thats even possible, and they would outbreed and overtake any sanction you give them, for fucksakes some chickens are pretty much grown like plants. You tell me how bad it is but doesnt even have a solution yourself, as if these problems magically go away without eating meat.[/QUOTE] I agree about your point in what will happen to the animals if released into the wild. But your first point about humane argument isn't really an argument either. All you're saying is that it's better than brutally killing it. It's still not humane.
idgaf if i dont need meat shit tastes cash so im gonna eat it
[QUOTE=DemonElite;46181965]While my example has nothing to do with food production, is putting down extremely ill animals inhumane? I'd consider euthanize a cancer filled pet to be humane compared to letting it die miserably.[/QUOTE] That may be the only way it could be considered humane, but don't forget that this is being done without the animals consent.
[QUOTE=Paku;46181921]How is it not an argument, how can any form of killing be humane?[/QUOTE] No form of killing is entirely humane obviously, but there are certainly more and less humane ways of slaughtering animals.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46181959]Producing protein sources and getting them to places where they dont grow naturally is also inefficient. You know what was actually really shitty for the environment? The Quinoa/"ancient grain"/superfood craze in the US. People demanded tons of grains than only grow in very specific parts of the world, which necessitated the destruction of environments in those regions for farming use and resulted in long supply lines to satify demand far from the source of production. The amount of greenhouse gasses given off by goods transport is staggering. Don't be fooled into thinking that health foods are spectacular for the environment.[/QUOTE] It's definitely better than meat production, we just need to figure out what to do with all the domesticated animals that will just all die if we stop eating them.
[QUOTE=Paku;46181796]A soy based diet is [B]bad for your health[/B], but I'm pretty sure you can function without meat just fine. Here is a vegan bodybuilder for example: Patrik Baboumian [IMG]http://www.greatveganathletes.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/field/image/Patrik%20Baboumian.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Bodybuilders are bodybuilders, they will do anything everyday to get a good body and health because its either their hobby or their self-esteem is in the shitter. but a soy diet is really bad too, if you're not a bodybuilder and just want to live a normal live without having problems ahead and dying young, don't be [I]those[/I] vegans.
[QUOTE=Paku;46181978]That may be the only way it could be considered humane, but don't forget that this is being done without the animals consent.[/QUOTE] animals cant give consent because they aren't sapient
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46181982]No form of killing is entirely humane obviously, but there are certainly more and less humane ways of slaughtering animals.[/QUOTE] No shit, but there's literally no reason to kill them other than selfish reasons. The world doesn't need meat to sustain its population.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46181311]-You don't need meat -The meat industry is one of the number one causes of greenhouse gas emissions -The meat industry is one of the main reasons countries all over the world are in water shortages -The meat industry is the reason antibiotic resistant superbugs are evolving -Humane killing, lol, next we should try cold fire[/QUOTE] [citation needed]
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