Watch: Animal rights activist storms restaurant and tells diners they’re eating her chicken
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[QUOTE=Paku;46182906]But you're ignoring the fact that you can just take he bacteria without harming the animal.
Thus this doesn't really justify slathering the animal for B12.[/QUOTE]
No you cannot "just take the bacteria", it is not how physiology works. Believe it or not your gut flora is also a result of evolution, you cannot just drink a pint of B12 producing bacteria and expect never to need B12 again.
If nothing else your stomach acids and enzymes in your digestive system (which are pretty much designed to do this) will scour everything that passes through. Where are you getting this information from?
Now, you can get B12 as a supplement, but you can do that for pretty much any mineral or vitamin so that is not really what we are discussing here.
[QUOTE=bdd458;46182916][url]http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/ar/archive/mar98/zinc0398.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
Thank you for providing the source, again as I said you only need to eat more of the zinc cotaining product to compensate for the lower absorption rate.
[QUOTE=Paku;46182924]I didn't say that you actually need to eat the bacteria itself, you can add it artificially to vegan food like it's added to meat.[/QUOTE]
The important part of what I linked to is the fact that vegetarians are at greater risk for Zinc deficiency, and especially if they don't plan their diets out extremely well.
[QUOTE=Paku;46182924]I didn't say that you actually need to eat the bacteria itself, you can add it artificially to vegan food like it's added to meat.[/QUOTE]
Yes! It is called supplementation. But that never was the point to begin with. You are simply changing the question as it suits your argument when you realize you have been beaten.
[QUOTE=Fetret;46182947]No you cannot "just take the bacteria", it is not how physiology works. Believe it or not your gut flora is also a result of evolution, you cannot just drink a pint of B12 producing bacteria and expect never to need B12 again.
If nothing else your stomach acids and enzymes in your digestive system (which are pretty much designed to do this) will scour everything that passes through. Where are you getting this information from?
Now, you can get B12 as a supplement, but you can do that for pretty much any mineral or vitamin so that is not really what we are discussing here.[/QUOTE]
How do you think artificial B12 is made?, def not by synthesis with organic chemistry.
It's made the same way insulin is made.
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[QUOTE=Fetret;46182957]Yes! It is called supplementation. But that never was the point to begin with. You are simply changing the question as it suits your argument when you realize you have been beaten.[/QUOTE]
I didn't realize when I was 'beaten', when did this happen?
[QUOTE=Paku;46182968]How do you think artificial B12 is made?, def not by synthesis with organic chemistry.
It's made the same way insulin is made.
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I didn't realize when I was 'beaten', when did this happen?[/QUOTE]
Through genetically engineered bacteria?
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[QUOTE=Paku;46182924]I didn't say that you actually need to eat the bacteria itself, you can add it artificially to vegan food like it's added to meat.[/QUOTE]
Wait wait wait, so its okay for them to obtain the bacteria in what sounds like an animals gut, completely against the animals will and choice you like to talk about so much, just so it can be artificially added for your diet? So now we can have an industry of animals being held against there will as bacteria farms for your carrots so you dont have to put animals against there will?
Fuck man you dont even know what to believe in, you just parrot random shit.
[QUOTE=bdd458;46182952]The important part of what I linked to is the fact that vegetarians are at greater risk for Zinc deficiency, and especially if they don't plan their diets out extremely well.[/QUOTE]
Well okay but this is different from "The zinc does nothing"
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I didn't realize when I was 'beaten', when did this happen?[/QUOTE]
I believe it happened when I posted Vitamin B12, but with all this bullshit I cannot be sure anymore.
Shit my automerge....
Okay seriously I'm going to need a source on that artificial B12 syringe solution bullshit you've been pulling out for the past hour because that sounds completely fucking crazy
Also yeah are you seriously saying it's a viable option to pull vitamins from animal guts so you can inject it into veggies as a vegan alternative to obtaining that vitamin
[QUOTE=Paku;46182987]yes.[/QUOTE]
You have no idea what organic chemistry is do you?
[QUOTE=Paku;46182978]Well okay but this is different from "The zinc does nothing"[/QUOTE]
But the other things they do eat does lower the amount of usable zinc because it binds with other minerals, thus made unusable by the human body.
Which means they need to eat more, which the contributes to more food production, which means more issues for the environment that will not be solved by giving up cows.
PITA PETA
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46182977]Wait wait wait, so its okay for them to obtain the bacteria in what sounds like an animals gut, completely against the animals will and choice you like to talk about so much, just so it can be artificially added for your diet? So now we can have an industry of animals being held against there will as bacteria farms for your carrots so you dont have to put animals against there will?
Fuck man you dont even know what to believe in, you just parrot random shit.[/QUOTE]
Animals aren't born with bacteria inside them, they have to get it from somewhere.
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[QUOTE=Fetret;46182996]You have no idea what organic chemistry is do you?[/QUOTE]
Do you?
[QUOTE=Paku;46183019]Animals aren't born with bacteria inside them, they have to get it from somewhere.[/QUOTE]
Why are you wasting your time posting on this forum, when you can be solving many of the questions biology and medicine is asking today?
[QUOTE=Fetret;46183031]Why are you wasting your time posting on this forum, when you can be solving many of the questions biology and medicine is asking today?[/QUOTE]
Please elaborate
What he's getting at is that you have no god damn idea what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=Paku;46183043]Please elaborate[/QUOTE]
The importance of the gut flora is well known and heavily researched, but the there are still a lot of questions on how we acquire the said flora and how/why some people are deficient or have modified floras. These are quite important questions that have wide ranging implications.
[QUOTE=Fetret;46183072]The importance of the gut flora is well known and heavily researched, but the there are still a lot of questions on how we acquire the said flora and how/why some people are deficient or have modified floras. These are quite important questions that have wide ranging implications.[/QUOTE]
Obviously the answer is that when a baby is born there's a magic science man that appears and that stabs his belly with a syringe of artificial bacteria.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46181311]-You don't need meat
-The meat industry is one of the number one causes of greenhouse gas emissions
-The meat industry is one of the main reasons countries all over the world are in water shortages
-The meat industry is the reason antibiotic resistant superbugs are evolving
-Humane killing, lol, next we should try cold fire[/QUOTE]
spot the vegan game is fun.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46183059]What he's getting at is that you have no god damn idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
He didn't really explain anything, he just said "Do you know what organic chemistry is?"
I know the difference between organic and in-organic chemistry.
The production of insulin by using genetically engineered bacteria is not organic chemistry.
Here is an example of an organic synthesis
[video=youtube;UB7vwIFCnR0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB7vwIFCnR0[/video]
I'm pretty sure you can understand the difference.
[QUOTE=Paku;46183019]Animals aren't born with bacteria inside them, they have to get it from somewhere.
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Do you?[/QUOTE]
Since when can you not be born with bacteria? You do realize a huge problem in life are babys, of any species, being born sick or with problems?
Babys dont come from the stork and magically made, many of them develop in something called a womb where the persons body is being fed and shaped essentially by the persons body, and there is a lot of bacteria in someone whos of age to give birth, it can and has snuck its way in.
[QUOTE=Fetret;46183072]The importance of the gut flora is well known and heavily researched, but the there are still a lot of questions on how we acquire the said flora and how/why some people are deficient or have modified floras. These are quite important questions that have wide ranging implications.[/QUOTE]
Instead of researching how to properly insert gut flora into people, they can just take supplements produced by the bacteria.
How did you get from that I'm interested in researching how to get gut flora to not die inside people or poison them?
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[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46183116]Since when can you not be born with bacteria? You do realize a huge problem in life are babys, of any species, being born sick or with problems?
Babys dont come from the stork and magically made, many of them develop in something called a womb where the persons body is being fed and shaped essentially by the persons body, and there is a lot of bacteria in someone whos of age to give birth, it can and has snuck its way in.[/QUOTE]
When you are just born, you are clean.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46183089]Obviously the answer is that when a baby is born there's a magic science man that appears and that stabs his belly with a syringe of artificial bacteria.[/QUOTE]
I believe that is one of the up and coming theories that is gaining quite a lot of traction in medical circles. Still doesn't explain the differences in flora between individuals though, so more research is definitely needed.
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[QUOTE=Paku;46183120]Instead of researching how to properly insert gut flora into people, they can just take supplements produced by the bacteria.
How did you get from that I'm interested in researching how to get gut flora to not die inside people or poison them?
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When you are just born, you are clean.[/QUOTE]
Seriously what? I hope you know Ganerumo was kidding about the syringe right? No one inserts the flora into anyone, it starts developing almost as soon as you are born (and perhaps even earlier than that). The question is how it starts to develop and how it differs from individual to individual.
Also this has nothing to do with cleanliness, what the hell?
[QUOTE=Paku;46183120]
When you are just born, you are clean.[/QUOTE]
My sides are in orbit right now. Take a serious biology class then come back and try this again.
[QUOTE=Fetret;46183132]I believe that is one of the up and coming theories that is gaining quite a lot of traction in medical circles. Still doesn't explain the differences in flora between individuals though, so more research is definitely needed.[/QUOTE]
Gut flora comes from the food you eat obviously, then int multiplies in your gut.
The issue is not how the gut flora comes into your body, but how it gets into a state of equilibrium inside your gut with other bateria without dying or poisioning you.
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[QUOTE=Ogopogo;46183155]My sides are in orbit right now. Take a serious biology class then come back and try this again.[/QUOTE]
When a baby is in a womb, all the nutrients are being fed to it tru the bloodstream.
When does the undeveloped gut come into play?
I just had some delicious chicken wings. Fingerlickin' good.
You know what? I think I just might go for seconds right now!
[QUOTE=Paku;46183120]Instead of researching how to properly insert gut flora into people, they can just take supplements produced by the bacteria.
How did you get from that I'm interested in researching how to get gut flora to not die inside people or poison them?
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When you are just born, you are clean.[/QUOTE]
LOL WHAT, WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING, you really are that fargone holy fuck.
[B]When you are just born, you are clean[/B]
[I]When you are just born, you are clean[/I]
[U]When you are just born, you are clean[/U]
I have heard a lot of dumb shit in my life, but holy fuck never have I seen someone so sure they were so right in something that is so fucking universally obvious that you are seriously making me believe that you will post and be dead serious that the earth is flat.
Tell me just how clean this baby was born.
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Sorry dude but you are just flat out a fucking retard.
No one has a problem with people who don't eat meat.
It comes down to when people who do/don't eat meat show the "Holier than thou" on why you should/shouldn't eat meat.
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