• Watch: Animal rights activist storms restaurant and tells diners they’re eating her chicken
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[QUOTE=Paku;46182678]humans and mammals[/QUOTE] You don't really have to mention them seperately
Just heard that we're having ribs for dinner :dance:
[QUOTE=Paku;46183780]this is 2007 study, I'm sure it's over 50% now[/QUOTE] Actually take the time to research something before you spew out some guesstimate. [url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4055802/]This study put vegetarians at 32.8% as of this year.[/url]
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46183697]If you really want to learn something about politics involving food, study about how people in poverty aren't able to get decent-quality, nutritionally sound because their grocers don't really carry them, while there's a Mickey D's on the corner.[/QUOTE] Funny how you never see this brought up yet its such a good point. Meat is cheap, very cheap VERY cheap, sure the cheap shit aint good but its really fucking inexpensive, meat also has a lot of bang for its buck. $1 mcdouble will carry you further than like a tiny dollar menu salad or apple dippers. Some people are poor, very poor, and when you are poor the first thing you start cutting corners with is food generally since its one of the biggest costs in anyones life. Its ultimately never ending and the only way to not go hungry is to eat something as cheap and fulfilling as meat. There arent gonna be much alternatives for very poor with vegetables, especially to sustain it healthy. Also before anyone says "You can grow vegetables" yeah okay in the Projects of Queens let me know how your life sustaining garden goes.
I couldn't care less what people eat. Just like i couldn't care less what religion people follow. The second you start preaching it to others and claiming yours is the be-all and end-all solution to a healthy diet without properly researching it though, you've now become a pathetic bigot. Veganism is not realistically a healthy option if you're trying to have a complete, proper diet. There's literally a [B]handful[/B] of sources of complete proteins for vegans - AKA the thing that is absolutely essential for your body to run properly. You can eat quinoa all day and get the adequate amount of complete proteins in your diet, except the fact that you'll be eating so much of it that the balance of your entire diet and the proportions of your macro-nutrients are now so fucked up that it's undeniably more unhealthy and illogical to consider it an option. Getting a balanced proper diet with all of the [B]ESSENTIAL[/B] components on a vegan diet is simply unreasonable and inefficient. Doing so on a diet with animal products however (meat, fish, eggs, etc.) is much more efficient - which is why we fucking evolved to have that as our main source of calories and macro-nutrients.
[QUOTE=Paku;46183780]this is 2007 study, I'm sure it's over 50% now.[/QUOTE] Vegetarianism is one of the biggest causes of malnourishment and starvation in India. A useless and actively harmful taboo. Within the last hundred years alone this refusal to eat meat (in a country with plentiful cattle) has caused hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of deaths. Fortunately meat consumption in India is skyrocketing, although poor people who stick to vegetarianism or simply cannot afford meat remain vulnerable.
"I don't see why everyone can't just afford the >8 dollar smoothies I eat 4 times a day to get the same protein, vitamins, and minerals people get for 5-10 dollars a day!" Seriously Veganism breaks down when you factor in the cost to buy the amount of food, the time it takes to prep said food, and availability of said food. We don't have a way to preserve vegetables as well as we do meet and transfer them before they go bad(except for freezing them, which raises cost and destroys some vegetables). If produce was cheaper and had the ability to grow year round, didn't require as much land per pound of food produced, and at the cost of meats. I am sure the world would be happy to look at alternatives, but there is just no feasible way to start that many farms, transfer all those goods, and provide the meals required to feed our current population.
i had a beef burger for tea today it was fucking delicious not even kidding it was the best beef ive ever had it was perfectly cooked in every way and really juicy
[QUOTE=Pandamox;46184033]I couldn't care less what people eat. Just like i couldn't care less what religion people follow. The second you start preaching it to others and claiming yours is the be-all and end-all solution to a healthy diet without properly researching it though, you've now become a pathetic bigot. Veganism is not realistically a healthy option if you're trying to have a complete, proper diet. There's literally a [B]handful[/B] of sources of complete proteins for vegans - AKA the thing that is absolutely essential for your body to run properly. You can eat quinoa all day and get the adequate amount of complete proteins in your diet, except the fact that you'll be eating so much of it that the balance of your entire diet and the proportions of your macro-nutrients are now so fucked up that it's undeniably more unhealthy and illogical to consider it an option. Getting a balanced proper diet with all of the [B]ESSENTIAL[/B] components on a vegan diet is simply unreasonable and inefficient. Doing so on a diet with animal products however (meat, fish, eggs, etc.) is much more efficient - which is why we fucking evolved to have that as our main source of calories and macro-nutrients.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46184151]"I don't see why everyone can't just afford the >8 dollar smoothies I eat 4 times a day to get the same protein, vitamins, and minerals people get for 5-10 dollars a day!" Seriously Veganism breaks down when you factor in the cost to buy the amount of food, the time it takes to prep said food, and availability of said food. We don't have a way to preserve vegetables as well as we do meet and transfer them before they go bad(except for freezing them, which raises cost and destroys some vegetables). If produce was cheaper and had the ability to grow year round, didn't require as much land per pound of food produced, and at the cost of meats. I am sure the world would be happy to look at alternatives, but there is just no feasible way to start that many farms, transfer all those goods, and provide the meals required to feed our current population.[/QUOTE] You know, while I think Paku's arguments are mostly wrong, the only people preaching to anyone else in this thread are the people posting 'WE'RE OMNIVORES, DEAL WITH IT'. Historically people have eaten meat (in [i]much[/i] smaller amounts than Westerners do today) to supplement dietary needs that the staple grains and vegetables can't naturally provide- eating meat was a matter of necessity. Now that we have the technology to live comfortably while minimizing consumption of meat, aren't the moral ramifications of [i]choosing[/i] to eat meat a discussion worth having? No, a vegetarian diet is not practical for everyone, but it's becoming more practical every day and I think it's worth talking about. Yet the very idea of it gets shut down by people shouting 'stop trying to tell me what to eat' and childish jabs like 'I'm going to go have a steak just because you won't!'. I just finished eating a plate of slow-roasted corned beef and I'm heading home in a few minutes to start cooking chicken pesto, because I enjoy eating meat and I think everyone should have the choice to decide for themselves, but I am not so defensive of my dietary choices that I won't consider what the broader impact of my lifestyle may be.
[QUOTE=Paku;46183226]They're clean from b12 producing bacteria Animals aren't born with gut bacterica capable of b12 synthesis. they have to get it from soil[/QUOTE] Did... you just say human newborn babies get B12 from eating dirt...
i love how paku is picking snippets of people's arguments that are easy to respond to, instead of addressing all the points given in a post.
[QUOTE=catbarf;46184465]You know, while I think Paku's arguments are mostly wrong, the only people preaching to anyone else in this thread are the people posting 'WE'RE OMNIVORES, DEAL WITH IT'. Historically people have eaten meat (in [i]much[/i] smaller amounts than Westerners do today) to supplement dietary needs that the staple grains and vegetables can't naturally provide- eating meat was a matter of necessity. Now that we have the technology to live comfortably while minimizing consumption of meat, aren't the moral ramifications of [i]choosing[/i] to eat meat a discussion worth having? No, a vegetarian diet is not practical for everyone, but it's becoming more practical every day and I think it's worth talking about. Yet the very idea of it gets shut down by people shouting 'stop trying to tell me what to eat' and childish jabs like 'I'm going to go have a steak just because you won't!'. I just finished eating a plate of slow-roasted corned beef and I'm heading home in a few minutes to start cooking chicken pesto, because I enjoy eating meat and I think everyone should have the choice to decide for themselves, but I am not so defensive of my dietary choices that I won't consider what the broader impact of my lifestyle may be.[/QUOTE] Minimizing meat consumption is one thing, being a vegetarian is another. I can understand trying to limit your environmental impact by eating less meat (or preferring white meat to red one), but trying to maintain a healthy diet without any kind of meat whatsoever is not convenient at the time being, and is not something you can expect a massive portion of the population to shift to overnight. So I don't think anyone should be blamed for "choosing" to eat meat. I'm also not sure what you mean by the moral ramification of such a choice. Are you reasoning on an environmental basis, or an ethical one?
I love how vegans are more obsessed about saving the animals than feeding the needy. It's just ridiculous.
[QUOTE=markedOne;46181352]Right, any cold hard SCIENTIFIC proof that we dont need meat to function at max capacity?[/QUOTE] I'm sure he's already snarkily-answered this (and wrongly, too), but no.
Humans have evolved to be omnivores, and if you go one way or the other, you run into health problems from the lack of meat/veggies. So tonight, I'm going to eat delicious, nutritious steak...but also a really nice salad and baked potato.
you ever had a prime piece of filet mignon? that shit makes me cum buckets in my jeans with each bite. And raw beef is amazing.
Don't get why people in this thread are waving their dicks around so hard that they eat meat/love meat/have sexual intercourse with their meat Yeah, some people take it seriously too far like the woman in OP but I don't get how proclaiming your love for meat and flaming people who choose not to eat meat is any better. It's a bit ironic how smoking is seen as being cool by a fair amount of people yet seriously damages the body, however not eating meat is seen as ridiculous and I can bet money on it being less harmful
[QUOTE=Revanold;46184934]It's a bit ironic how smoking is seen as being cool by a fair amount of people yet seriously damages the body, however not eating meat is seen as ridiculous and I can bet money on it being less harmful[/QUOTE] this entire sentence, lol what literally no one thinks out loud that smoking is "cool" and why are you comparing smoking to being vegen
You know, people always talk about the animals and alternative diets and all this crap, nobody ever talks about the money. If we were to stop farming meat, the entire agricultural industry would collapse. And no, it's not because of how many animals we raise, but moreso how much feed we grow for them. The majority of the things we grow are used for animal feed for livestock, if we took meat out of the equations, hundreds of thousands of farmers would lose their jobs, since we don't, wouldn't, and can't eat enough to sustain the agriculture industry where it is today without the growth of livestock. Consequently, farming equipment would become more expensive, farming would become an even less profitable job than it is now, and food prices would skyrocket to compensate for the massive job loss and increase in cost of farming, which would mean houses would have to cut costs on food, thousands would starve, and there would be incredibly widespread malnourishment since the cost of eating a balanced diet wold be too high. There would also be a huge spike in poaching, which would be devastating on local wildlife populations, but ironically the poachers would be the best-fed people outside of the upper class.
[QUOTE=Revanold;46184934]Don't get why people in this thread are waving their dicks around so hard that they eat meat/love meat/have sexual intercourse with their meat Yeah, some people take it seriously too far like the woman in OP but [B]I don't get how proclaiming your love for meat and flaming people who choose not to eat meat is any better[/B]. It's a bit ironic how smoking is seen as being cool by a fair amount of people yet seriously damages the body, however not eating meat is seen as ridiculous and I can bet money on it being less harmful[/QUOTE] They aren't flaming people who choose not to eat meat, they're mocking the idiots who violently protest against the people who [I]do[/I] eat meat. If you don't eat meat, fine, that's your choice, there's nothing wrong with that. But if you're going to get all up in everyone's face about how [I]their [/I]eating habits are wrong or immoral, then you're just being annoying and disruptive and it's bound to attract some harassment from the other side because of how ignorant you're being.
Lab meat and bug protein is the future, undoubtedly
We eat living things and shit them out our assholes. It's the circle of life.
[QUOTE=SuperHoboMan;46185234]They aren't flaming people who choose not to eat meat, they're mocking the idiots who violently protest against the people who [I]do[/I] eat meat. If you don't eat meat, fine, that's your choice, there's nothing wrong with that. But if you're going to get all up in everyone's face about how [I]their [/I]eating habits are wrong or immoral, then you're just being annoying and disruptive and it's bound to attract some harassment from the other side because of how ignorant you're being.[/QUOTE] It all comes down to insecure middle class idiots wanting to feel better about themselves so they pick up some habit that in their mind gives them right to adopt a rightful holier-than-thou attitude.
Fuck vegans
This video made me realize something when she said they were abusing and about to kill snow. Considering that many places slaughter chickens by means of asphyxiation, I guess one could say that they were going to [I]choke her chicken[/I].
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46181332] read up[/QUOTE] more like shut up as in you should
It's insulting to imply that we need to do away with meat as a whole in our diets, especially when so much of the world struggles to afford even the cheapest source of protein we have. Protein rich food is a privilege and protein rich food that isn't meat is largely reserved for the reasonably well off. It costs a good amount of time, money, and effort that a lot of people dont have to eat healthy for an extended period of time so I wish people would stop spouting "lol just stop eating fast food idiot"
Elephants, hippos, tortoises, deer, rabbits, hares, horses, panda bears and even manatees, animals that are usually considered herbivorous, have been known to readily intake meat in the wild on more than just a rare occurrence.
[QUOTE=Paku;46182070]I love all this collective shitposting, it's a rare sight when the entire thread is composed of hypocrites shitposting. That's when you know that it's a meat related issue.[/QUOTE] You know it's a meat related issue when there's a vegan whining about it every other post.
[QUOTE=Zero!;46181270]Don't get me wrong the mass-production of food is far from a beautiful thing, but it's the only way to feed the modern world. I do agree we have to keep finding more humane ways to mass murder animals for food, but we got to eat. Running in to a restaurant and disturbing the guest is not the right way to get this message across.[/QUOTE] Except you don't need to eat meat. You can be just as healthy without, but you got to eat properly. Which is not a big deal, because you still have to eat the right things when you do eat meat to be healthy. We don't even need to give up meat. We just have to eat meat responsibly, and not have it in 2-3 meals a day like most people do. We have terrible conditions for animals when we have too many people eating more than is good for them. And if you are missing something in your diet that you need from animals, that is ok, and you should totally go and get it from them. As long as we just take what we need, everything is good. Greed is the real problem, not people eating meat. [editline]8th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Duck M.;46187187]It costs a good amount of time, money, and effort that a lot of people dont have to eat healthy for an extended period of time so I wish people would stop spouting "lol just stop eating fast food idiot"[/QUOTE] Fast food costs more than real, healthy food. Of course, in certain areas, if you don't have things like a few farmers markets, then it will cost a bit more for fresh food than it would if you lived near farmers markets, but even then, what you pay for in quality food, you get to save on medical bills. You get to live longer, and healthier. And your health or your greatest wealth. Most fast food, if not all of it, is designed to be made as cheap as possible, some of the ingredients aren't even food. And it is expensive. I don't know how anyone can deny that, unless they don't cook for themselves. And don't forget that soon after you eat the fast food, you are hungry again. Whereas when you eat quality food, it really fills you up.
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