Asshole Father Updated Facebook Before He Stabbed His Two Year Old Daughter to Death - Polidicks

Death penalty is bad. We are past the age where we have to kill criminals. No matter how evil or fucked up a person is, killing him is not right. If it was my daughter, sure I would wish death and torture upon him, but at that moment my logic would be overpowered by emotions, thus I won't be able to think clearly. Law exists to protect citizens, not to do revenge for them. If you want him dead, hire a hitman or some shit, don't ask government to act upon your emotions. We should kill only to protect our life. A prisoner in a distant prison cell poses no risk to our life. Also as others said, there is never 100% proof he did this. What if some day some proof comes up that he's innocent or did it because he was forced or something? Well now you can't do shit, because you killed him. Why kill a potentially innocent man when you can just lock him up and it does no harm to us? Just admit you lust for blood and revenge.

[QUOTE=Explosions;29634234] That is a cruel and unusual punishment.[/QUOTE] I know. I know it's cruel, yet it isn't unusual. It's a description of what Life in Prison is. It's saying that it's worth than death, inherently. However, it is offset by the hope of freedom through rehabilitation.

I kind of want him to die.

[QUOTE=ScreamingGerbil;29634440]I kind of want him to die.[/QUOTE] I kind of want you to die.

[QUOTE=johan_sm;29634484]I kind of want you to die.[/QUOTE] If he's found guilty, at the very least I hope he's locked up and they key is thrown away. There are few crimes worse than murdering a helpless child in cold blood.

So, what would be the excuse for this heinous crime this time? Psychological abnormality perhaps? If not, it's just a plain damn senseless, unquestionable act of morality. Fucking psycho, might as well sentence him to death for all I care. Killing an innocent and defenseless child just won't do.

[QUOTE=archangel125;29634516]If he's found guilty, at the very least I hope he's locked up and they key is thrown away. There are few crimes worse than murdering a helpless child in cold blood.[/QUOTE] [B]Punishment is not and should not be the point of any prison system.[/B] [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MendozaMan;29631016]I'm all for death penalty, and all other horrible punishments. Bastard thinks he can get away with stabbing a 2 year-old kid and letting her slowly die, and then goin al 'ooo look what she made me do I made a boo-boo!' 'My only goal was to ruin her life, the kids life, my families life but I care too much about my own life, please see and look at the nicer person inside!' No matter what you say, this guy deserves a severe punishment. Fucking bleeding hart teenagers never had this happen to their relatives, my 12 year old disabled niece was thrown off a bridge by her step-father because he thought it was too hard for HIM to live with. And then he went home like nothing happened. He got [B]6 years.[/B] Take a good look at that, because this is what you are asking society to become.[/QUOTE] Again, when you cast down sentences and make laws based on retribution, emotion, and kneejerk reactions, you get REALLY AWFUL SENTENCES AND LAWS.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29634636][B]Punishment is not and should not be the point of any prison system.[/B] [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] Again, when you cast down sentences and make laws based on retribution, emotion, and kneejerk reactions, you get REALLY AWFUL SENTENCES AND LAWS.[/QUOTE] Let me give a few examples to support: 1. Any and all overcompensating drunk driving laws and drug laws. 2. Many laws named after a dead person, especially a kid's name. An excellent example of this is Joshua's Law. Essentially, some kid died as a result of some sort of shitty auto accident, and now it's considerably harder to get a driver's license in Georgia as a kid. This may or may not be good, but it's inherently based in emotion and kneejerk reactions. 3. The overcompensation of punishments for sex offenders. Especially in consensual cases. 4. Death Penalty.

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;29631451]Let's see you say that when your relative gets killed and someone else says to you [B]"Stop making such a big deal about it, jeez. The guy who killed him/her deserves a fair trail, and possibly a short period in jail.[/B]"[/QUOTE] This is stupid. Nobody has ever said that to anyone whose relative was just murdered. They deserve a fair trial, and depending on whether or not they are found guilty, they deserve a jail sentence.

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;29634540]So, what would be the excuse for this heinous crime this time? Psychological abnormality perhaps? If not, it's just a plain damn senseless, unquestionable act of morality. Fucking psycho, might as well sentence him to death for all I care. Killing an innocent and defenseless child just won't do.[/QUOTE] Like being locked up will ensure he'll stay alive. Considering his state and what he did, I doubt he'd able to survive Prison if he isn't given the death penalty. Child killers and Pedophiles are considered as the worst of the worse by both other inmates and Prison Personell, and would treat him like crap. Either way, he's likely gonna die.

Goddamn, the idea that she died slow makes me queasy. He deserves whatever is coming to him.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29634636][B]Punishment is not and should not be the point of any prison system.[/B] [/QUOTE] [B]Rehabilitation is only possible in some cases. When someone can not be rehabilitated, the function the prison system serves is to ensure that they can never get out to harm anyone again. And I'd say he belongs to the latter group if he could bring himself to kill an innocent child for petty revenge, and his own daughter, no less.[/B]

[QUOTE=Mr. N;29634796]He deserves whatever is coming to him.[/QUOTE] Yes, a fair and speedy trial, as well as fitting sentence, and if possible, rehabilitation.

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;29634540]So, what would be the excuse for this heinous crime this time? Psychological abnormality perhaps? If not, it's just a plain damn senseless, unquestionable act of morality. Fucking psycho, might as well sentence him to death for all I care. Killing an innocent and defenseless child just won't do.[/QUOTE] If he's a psycho, then he obviously shouldn't be sentenced to death. He should be attempted to be cured, fixed. Rehabilitated. Psycho implies mental instability.

[QUOTE=archangel125;29634820][B]Rehabilitation is only possible in some cases. When someone can not be rehabilitated, the function the prison system serves is to ensure that they can never get out to harm anyone again. And I'd say he belongs to the latter group if he could bring himself to kill an innocent child for petty revenge.[/B][/QUOTE] If someone is [B]so[/B] fucked up that you feel they can't be rehabilitated, then perhaps you could better use the time he/she's in your (prison's care, rather) care to study them to find out what's wrong with their mind so that you might be able to rehabilitate others like him/her. I'd also like to make the distinction that even if someone's deemed unable to be rehabilitated, that if the time comes where they have new treatments, the person in question should be given the opportunity to try them.

[QUOTE=archangel125;29634820][B]Rehabilitation is only possible in some cases. When someone can not be rehabilitated, the function the prison system serves is to ensure that they can never get out to harm anyone again. And I'd say he belongs to the latter group if he could bring himself to kill an innocent child for petty revenge, and his own daughter, no less.[/B][/QUOTE] Who the fuck are you to decide this. How does killing a child for revenge mean he can't be rehabilitated? He was and is fucked. Sure. But maybe he can be rehabilitated. It must be tried. And tried. And until he is truly and fully rehabilitated, he must be locked up.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29634886]If someone is [B]so[/B] fucked up that you feel they can't be rehabilitated, then perhaps you could better use the time he/she's in your (prison's care, rather) care to study them to find out what's wrong with their mind so that you might be able to rehabilitate others like him/her. I'd also like to make the distinction that even if someone's deemed unable to be rehabilitated, that if the time comes where they have new treatments, the person in question should be given the opportunity to try them.[/QUOTE] If they get him to the point where there is ABSOLUTELY no risk, no matter how remote, that he would harm someone again, sure, they ought to let him go.

[QUOTE=Treybuchet;29634858]If he's a psycho, then he obviously shouldn't be sentenced to death. He should be attempted to be cured, fixed. Rehabilitated. Psycho implies mental instability.[/QUOTE] Don't take the word psycho too literally. But okay sure, since you want to be so politically correct, let's call him a sicko dumb fuck. And he should be sentenced to death, or maybe not death straight off the bat, but about 20-40 years in prison for starters.

[QUOTE=archangel125;29634928]If they get him to the point where there is ABSOLUTELY no risk, no matter how remote, that he would harm someone again, sure, they ought to let him go.[/QUOTE] You mean when he's a vegetable? That's not how people work.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29634636][B]Punishment is not and should not be the point of any prison system.[/B] [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] Again, when you cast down sentences and make laws based on retribution, emotion, and kneejerk reactions, you get REALLY AWFUL SENTENCES AND LAWS.[/QUOTE] Punishment deters people from doing things like this, jail is supposed to be a place you DON'T want to go to. Revenge and punishment is a normal human reaction to people who do extreme wrong, when it comes to extreme cases of murder an emotional reaction is normal, and I don't see anything wrong with it at all.

[QUOTE=Mr. N;29634997]Punishment deters people from doing things like this, jail is supposed to be a place you DON'T want to go to.[/QUOTE] Somehow I don't think so, considering these crimes (pre-meditated murder) still happen quite often. [QUOTE=Mr. N;29634997]Revenge and punishment is a normal human reaction to people who do extreme wrong, when it comes to extreme cases of murder an emotional reaction is normal, and I don't see anything wrong with it at all.[/QUOTE] It might be a normal reaction, but revenge has no place in lawmaking or the judicial system.

[QUOTE=Mr. N;29634997]Punishment deters people from doing things like this, jail is supposed to be a place you DON'T want to go to. Revenge and punishment is a normal human reaction to people who do extreme wrong, when it comes to extreme cases of murder an emotional reaction is normal, and I don't see anything wrong with it at all.[/QUOTE] That shouldn't be the deterrent. The deterrent should be the fact that it's morally wrong, and that you're harming someone else. Jail should serve to rehabilitate people so that they know what they're doing, and don't do it again.

[QUOTE=Treybuchet;29635101]That shouldn't be the deterrent. The deterrent should be the fact that it's morally wrong, and that you're harming someone else. Jail should serve to rehabilitate people so that they know what they're doing, and don't do it again.[/QUOTE] The "learn your lesson" portion of this isn't the same idea as if you were to get spanked as a child (metaphorical here, you shouldn't do this), and that "taught you your lesson".

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29635159]The "learn your lesson" portion of this isn't the same idea as if you were to get spanked as a child (metaphorical here, you shouldn't do this), and that "taught you your lesson".[/QUOTE] I know. I can't effectively explain rehabilitation.

[QUOTE=Treybuchet;29635197]I know. I can't effectively explain rehabilitation.[/QUOTE] I get that, I'm simply concurring with you.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29635067]Somehow I don't think so, considering these crimes (pre-meditated murder) still happen quite often. It might be a normal reaction, but revenge has no place in lawmaking or the judicial system.[/QUOTE] Our laws and entire government is made and run by humans. The big thing the judicial system lacks is common sense, and ridiculous sentences based on human-made law and technicality are very prevalent, like drug dealers getting higher sentences than murderers. Also, pre meditated murder still occurs often either due to people being downright insane, which can't be helped, or that jail is slowly becoming less and less of a bad and horrible thing. [QUOTE=Treybuchet;29635101]That shouldn't be the deterrent. The deterrent should be the fact that it's morally wrong, and that you're harming someone else. Jail should serve to rehabilitate people so that they know what they're doing, and don't do it again.[/QUOTE] People like this care nothing for morals, that's why they kill. Rehabilitation might be effective on somebody who ,for example, kneejerkingly murder's someone. Punishment will also deter people like this from even thinking of murder as a valid way to solve your problems.

[QUOTE=Mr. N;29635348] People like this care nothing for morals, that's why they kill.[/QUOTE] Thanks for your expert opinion, Mr. I Have A Phd. In Criminal Psychology

[QUOTE=Sanius;29635395]Thanks for your expert opinion, Mr. I Have A Phd. In Criminal Psychology[/QUOTE]This argument can be used on anything because almost noone on this forum has a PhD.

[QUOTE=Mr. N;29635348]Our laws and entire government is made and run by humans. The big thing the judicial system lacks is common sense, and ridiculous sentences based on human-made law and technicality are very prevalent, like drug dealers getting higher sentences than murderers. Also, pre meditated murder still occurs often either due to people being downright insane, which can't be helped, or that jail is slowly becoming less and less of a bad and horrible thing.[/QUOTE] What are you even trying to say with this? That law is law and murder is murder? [QUOTE=Mr. N;29635348]People like this care nothing for morals, that's why they kill. Rehabilitation might be effective on somebody who ,for example, kneejerkingly murder's someone. Punishment will also deter people like this from even thinking of murder as a valid way to solve your problems.[/QUOTE] If every murderer has this mindset (according to you), then there be no need for the death penalty, as they all have psychological issues and can or at least should try to be rehabilitated. [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=johan_sm;29635423]This argument can be used on anything because almost noone on this forum has a PhD.[/QUOTE] He's the one making the assertion. I've not said that all murderers think like X or M, merely that they are diverse and need rehabilitation when possible.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29635435]What are you even trying to say with this? That law is law and murder is murder? If every murderer has this mindset (according to you), then there be no need for the death penalty, as they all have psychological issues and can or at least should try to be rehabilitated.[/QUOTE] Firstly, I am trying to say that our judicial systems are based on technicality and not common sense and reasoning. Secondly, I am not saying every murderer has the mindset as this person, I was saying murder's LIKE him are like that. To this man he killed his daughter as if it was a casual occurrence, like he was throwing away one his girlfriend's possessions. Morals didn't occur to him. [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;29635395]Thanks for your expert opinion, Mr. I Have A Phd. In Criminal Psychology[/QUOTE] A+ post Sanius, just like all your other wonderful and well thought out posts.