Most Scots consider themselves 'Scottish only', census figures show - Polidicks

[QUOTE=The mouse;42319953]My point was that Scottish Nation Identity is shallow and that they have far more in common with the rest of the Great Britain than their ancestors did from who their derive their notion of a nation identity.[/QUOTE] it's quite rude to call someone's national identity "shallow".

[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;42320017]Fuck the[B] Scotch[/B] they get they're own special parliament and still can fuck with English politics in westminister[/QUOTE] It's Scots you nutter, do I look like a God damn drink to you? [editline]26th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;42320211]Yes, except the rural areas hold tiny numbers of people. The vast bulk of people in Scotland live in areas that are full of English speaking people who have been speaking English since the Early middle ages. The idea that Gaelic itself is a national language is as mad as claiming that Basque ought to be the national language of Spain.[/QUOTE] I don't know about you, lad, but when I talk, my accent is so thick people as what language I'm speaking.

It's a shame the referendum vote has no middle ground, just yes or no. I think many Scots just want a higher level of devolution not separation.

i always say im british on forms and stuff. id rather be british tbh

[QUOTE=Bradyns;42319999]I smell a "No True Scotsman" fallacy. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8k2nGm2.png[/IMG] [URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman[/URL][/QUOTE] my names lachlan and i put sugar in my porridge... fucken weird!

I consider myself British over English. There isn't that much difference between an English person, a Scottish person or a Welsh person. No more than the difference between someone from Newcastle and someone from Cornwall at least.

Well they are british, as this is the land of the britons.

[QUOTE=tr00per7;42321061]Well they are british, as this is the land of the britons.[/QUOTE] Scots were mostly Goidelics and Picts, though.

Beginning to think that Independence is becoming more and more likely. [sp]excellent[/sp]

Even if the referendum found in favour of yes, the Scottish Parliament does not possess the legal authority to secede. That power lies in Westminster.

[QUOTE=The mouse;42319508]But they are British regardless...? Is it me or is Scottish Culture just an Accent and Stereotypes.[/QUOTE] Considering we have fairly distinct cultures between regions in an country a country that's about as big as Scotland, I would wager that scotland does have a distinct culture, as well as distinct regional ones.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42321234]Even if the referendum found in favour of yes, the Scottish Parliament does not possess the legal authority to secede. That power lies in Westminster.[/QUOTE] Really? That's pretty rubbish.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42321234]Even if the referendum found in favour of yes, the Scottish Parliament does not possess the legal authority to secede. That power lies in Westminster.[/QUOTE] The UK government [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_Agreement_(2012)]granted Scotland the power[/url] to hold a legally-binding referendum and have agreed to honour the result

[QUOTE=kebab52;42321281]Really? That's pretty rubbish.[/QUOTE] It certainly is. I personally hope that the civil service will spend as much time as they like on it, looking over it and discussing it for quite some time before coming to a decision.

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;42321186]Scots were mostly Goidelics and Picts, though.[/QUOTE] Or the Gays and pricks I like to call erm.

[QUOTE=bravehat;42319867]Britain as a collective can go and fuck itself, [B]we[/B] don't care about each other in the slightest and[B] we[/B] only ever work together when shit demand it like in both world wars. I guess [B]we're[/B] just tired of getting shitty governments [B]we[/B] don't want and getting dragged into wars [B]we[/B] don't need.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=bravehat;42319933][B]We'll[/B] happily take them back, feel free to have the army, and I don't advocate complete separation from England it's just real fucking tiring to have unnending English dangle berries proclaiming Scotland to be a great anchor that contributes dick all to the union and that [B]we[/B] should be cast aside like a fucking louse.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=bravehat;42319969]Yeah [B]we[/B] do, that doesn't mean [B]we[/B] enjoy being berated by retarded English nationalists.[/QUOTE] What's with this "we" shit? I didn't know that you were like the ambassador of Scotland. Don't speak for other people.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42319526]Technically they are. The British isles include Scotland and Wales. It's named "Great Britain" because it's "Great" in relation to Brittany.[/QUOTE] Not really, they may be apart of the collective, but they're still their own country. What you're saying is like saying anyone from Africa is African despite it being a collection of countries. [QUOTE=wraithcat;42321251]Considering we have fairly distinct cultures between regions in an country a country that's about as big as Scotland, I would wager that scotland does have a distinct culture, as well as distinct regional ones.[/QUOTE] I would wager this as well.

[QUOTE=smurfy;42321310]The UK government [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_Agreement_(2012)]granted Scotland the power[/url] to hold a legally-binding referendum and have agreed to honour the result[/QUOTE] This is for holding the referendum, it doesn't actually say anything about the aftermath of one: [quote]Purpose to provide a clear legal basis for the holding of the Scottish independence referendum, 2014[/quote] [quote]The legal status of the agreement is a matter of academic discussion.[/quote] They can hold it, but the Government isn't going to say "Oh so you voted for independence? We must give you it ASAP". [editline]27th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MR-X;42321411]Not really, they may be apart of the collective, but they're still their own country. What you're saying is like saying anyone from Africa is African despite it being a collection of countries.[/QUOTE] And Pan-African identities exist as well. What's your point?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42321422]This is for holding the referendum, it doesn't actually say anything about the aftermath of one: They can hold it, but the Government isn't going to say "Oh so you voted for independence? We must give you it ASAP". [editline]27th September 2013[/editline] And Pan-African identities exist as well. What's your point?[/QUOTE] What is yours? Why do you care so much to take away an identifier from people? Most of your points are moot anyway.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42321422]This is for holding the referendum, it doesn't actually say anything about the aftermath of one: They can hold it, but the Government isn't going to say "Oh so you voted for independence? We must give you it ASAP". [editline]27th September 2013[/editline] And Pan-African identities exist as well. What's your point?[/QUOTE] No one is saying that certain greater identities don't exist. There's a certain human culture base (as far as we know) a certain European one, a certain national one, but likewise if you get more granular to specific regions or even cities you will get distinct group mentalities. Now the important part is what you consider to be the most important one to you (and that's actually part of the more granular ones as well) Generally speaking if you are part of a smaller larger group, often one that is considered secondary - like a nation within Europe, or one of the large zones within the GB you will often see yourself as more in line with your own group

[QUOTE=MR-X;42321461]What is yours? Why do you care so much to take away an identifier from people? Most of your points are moot anyway.[/QUOTE] I'm saying that because they live in Britain they are British. They can be Scottish as well, but they are also always by definition British because they live in Britain.

The way I see it, if those people in Scotland consider themselves distinct from the rest of the population on the island, then they are - how other feel about it irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Bung Piece;42320817]It's a shame the referendum vote has no middle ground, just yes or no. I think many Scots just want a higher level of devolution not separation.[/QUOTE] You're not even a Scot, Anglo-American! Independence or bust! In all seriousness, it's a silly thing, we don't have any major oil reserves (we sold most of the good stuff), any hopes Salmond has of kickstarting 'the knowledge based economy' are dashed by budget (You really think we're going to enter the Nordic banking zone?) and really, the attitude of most Scots are "who cares?". We're a county these days, not a country and most people couldn't give a shit. Give us a few more 'devolved rights' and 90% of the country will be happy.

Is there really any way to measure an apathetic attitude of a population like that, Fuxed?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42321700]Is there really any way to measure an apathetic attitude of a population like that, Fuxed?[/QUOTE] Well, a good chunk of our soon-to-be-voting population (I wiill bring up the point that the voting age is being dropped to 16 here) voted "no" in mock votes, our general voting tendency is Labour (Okay, I'll admit, council elections tend to favour SNP, and our last national election rollout leaned Lib Dem), regardless, even in our more affluent areas the focus is on getting by day-to-day. There is a chance we'll remove ourselves from GB, however, the scale of social welfare required to tide us over is only achievable via being part of the grand scheme (It's few and far between you won't find someone here that hasn't had to rely on housing benefit or jobseekers/DWP, at least for a short period), we simply can't afford it as an indepdendent nation, especially taking into account the possibility of having to mount our own armed forces and our own banking economy. On the whole, it's silly, most of our government backed businesses are university spin-outs and I dare you to find a [B]major[/B] Scottish university that is solely funded legally. Independence is financially unsustainable and the lack of published statistics on that front by the SNP may as well say as much.

So basically there isn't a measurable way to say "they don't really care" other than personal observations? Also, how were those votes noted to be in mock?

Does identifying yourself as British really mean anything? Tons of people from former colonies still identify with that term.

[QUOTE=tr00per7;42321374]Or the Gays and pricks I like to call erm.[/QUOTE] they're ancient civilizations that went out of business in the times of the Roman empire what the fuck did they do to you

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42321919]So basically there isn't a measurable way to say "they don't really care" other than personal observations? Also, how were those votes noted to be in mock?[/QUOTE] I'll admit to personal observations, but until you've lived in the country, by which I mean not just one region but several (Experience from having lived in several areas of Aberdeen, Glasgow and Lothian and Borders), you [B]cannot[/B] understand the culture here. This is not America, we are a far, far smaller country with a far less political stance (slightly over half our voting population vote). Those votes [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-21539995"]were[/URL] [URL="http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-scots-want-to-stay-in-uk-1-3099626"]in[/URL] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-24142502"]mock[/URL] because they were held within educational institutions well before the referendum. Please don't get me wrong, I don't care either way, I stand to profit from it no matter what way it goes, but it is unlikely that we go independent and it is unsustainable if we do.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42321950]Does identifying yourself as British really mean anything? Tons of people from former colonies still identify with that term.[/QUOTE] Doesn't seem all that different from us Swedes/Norwegians/Islandish/Finnish/Danish referring to ourselves as Scandinavians. Then again I'm not sure if this is more like if Skåningar didn't want to be called "Swedish", which of course would be pretty fine with the rest of the country since we can't understand their language anyway.