[QUOTE=Lazor;32979662]meanwhile, occupy atlanta was raided and a few dozen people were arrested.
during a drum circle[/QUOTE]
they were acting violently towards the drums
All the videos I have watched in this thread the more and more it sounds like a warzone rather than a protest...
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32970999]Welcome to [del]Iran[/del] America, where peaceful protest is met with teargas and riot police[/QUOTE]
Iran doesn't just meet peaceful protesters with teargas and riot police. They also like to meet them with tanks, live ammunition, beanbag guns, armored cars, barbed-wire barricades, tasers, and the theocratic paramilitary force of the Basij.
So do we know why it is that the police wanted them out of that area?
I just find it fucking stupid how they're doing all this arresting shit. It's like they're fucking trying to cause a bunch of violence so they can throw some edited footage at Fox and whatever stations they own. Since just having old fools shout COMMUNISM isn't exactly working.
Both sides are at fault. Protests are fine, but when you're blocking other equals from accessing areas and doing legal things there is a problem. These people were doing more than protesting the government, they were blocking access, not cool. The POs were using unreasonable force in some situations and should have been far more disciplined by the situation.
I remember reading that german police were very brutal and efficient, I wonder how they'd respond to this. Would be interesting to see.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;32974061]You do realize that looks worse than it actually is... Right?[/QUOTE]
Haha I don't know if anyone addressed this yet, but do YOU realize the guy is in 'serious but stable'/critical condition in the hospital for a fractured skull?
This post was on page two.
Sounds like shit's about to hit the fan soon. The police are shooting the citizens they're supposed to be protecting.
[QUOTE=Medevilae;32980474]That was a result of the rubber bullets. Using them was definitely excessive.[/QUOTE]
I know. The post I quoted was replying to a picture with a guy bleeding from the head, and the responses were along the lines of "Oh thats not bad at all, its just a flesh wound" etc.
Can we really believe what the Police say at this point? They said they did not use rubber bullets during the crackdown at Oakland. We all know how true THAT is.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;32980493]Sounds like shit's about to hit the fan soon. The police are shooting the citizens they're supposed to be protecting.[/QUOTE]
To be fair to the police, one, the protestors were supposedly being violent in their camp, two, they refused to leave and were warned of the consequences of staying at the camp, and three, Oakland is apparently pretty bad to begin with.
Of course, both sides are at fault, but both have their reasons. It truly is the worst situation where the only villain is circumstance.
Still. You never do shit like throw flashbangs at people who are trying to help the wounded. That's just fucking evil. It's causing the wounded person to be in even more pain and it's preventing them from receiving medical attention.
[QUOTE=Cone;32980714]To be fair to the police, one, the protestors were supposedly being violent in their camp, two, they refused to leave and were warned of the consequences of staying at the camp, and three, Oakland is apparently pretty bad to begin with.[/QUOTE]
'Supposedly' they were being violent, but I haven't seen or heard of any specific examples, and I don't exactly trust the police at this point. Unless the protestors were actually attacking the police or looting stores then there should not have been a violent reaction from them anyways.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;32980877]'Supposedly' they were being violent, but I haven't seen or heard of any specific examples, and I don't exactly trust the police at this point. Unless the protestors were actually attacking the police or looting stores then there should not have been a violent reaction from them anyways.[/QUOTE]
Well there's always people in there just to start something, though of course that isn't a viable reason to shoot at everyone.
I doubt the protestors were being entirely peaceful, though. I mean, what possible reason would there be for the police to pull shit like this? In New York they used Pepper Spray, but that isn't fucking tear gas, you can't get away with that.
Either somebody in command was being really, really stupid, or there was at least a semi-decent reason to open fire. A semi-decent reason isn't really enough, but it's a start, I guess.
[QUOTE=Medevilae;32980953]If that new news post is correct, it was actually caused by a tear gas canister hitting him in the head.
Thought it seemed odd for a single rubber pellet to cause brain swelling.[/QUOTE]
sure it's a rubber bullet but it's still shot out of a gun. fired at someones head that is absolutely lethal force
[QUOTE=Medevilae;32980325][url]http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-oakland-occupy-protests,0,3178429.story[/url][/QUOTE]
Well then I think we can agree that they had a (relatively) valid reason to want them to leave, assuming that the report can be trusted. From what people who have an understanding of how crowd control methods work have said however it seems that they used an unwarranted amount of force and misused the flashbangs and possibly the rubber bullets as well. Overall a shitty situation.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;32979320]You don't seem to realise that protesting peacefully means being peaceful and not purposely blocking large areas for weeks at a time. Of course they have to move and they aren't going to listen to a nice man in uniform telling them to move on as the OP stated.
Looking at a few videos it's evident that the people that got shot, were shot so bad because they STILL refused to move out of the area that was tear gassed. They had plenty of time to think,"They really want us to move, so let's move."[/QUOTE]
I don't think you quite understand what protests mean
They [b]are[/b] peacefully protesting, just because they block roads doesn't mean they no longer have a right to protest. Maybe you should go rub your braincells together for a while and then you'll realize that protests don't have much effect if they don't cause some sort of disruption. I think it's a lot better to have the streets blocked with peaceful protesters than for them to be flooded with fucking teargas and people with braindamage from being hit in the end by rubber bullets
Police are PUBLIC SERVANTS
The police are here to serve us, not to attack us.
Who are they protecting? Who are they defending?
Nobody, they're just making sure that the voices of the American people continue to be suppressed by the people in charge.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32978500]I love how people think this was justified because the protesters didn't move
I wasn't aware that your constitutional rights are only applicable between certain hours designated by the government
Someone who disagrees with me, feel free to explain how any of this is ok, and how you honestly think this should be happening on the streets of America
[editline]26th October 2011[/editline]
Wow really Zeke basically said the same thing, I got beat to the point
[editline]26th October 2011[/editline]
heh i have no argument so fuk u lol
What an insightful post, now I see the error of my ways, thank you Trunk Monkay
I know sarcasm must be extremely difficult for you to comprehend, but I actually wasn't calling for more violence, believe it or not.
In fact, and this may come as a shock, I was implying that the actions of the police were unjustified and brutal, but god forbid you have to read things properly and then form an opinion.[/QUOTE]
[quote]What is childish is rating every single post of someone you don't like dumb, just because you don't like them.[/quote]
[quote]I've dealt with you before and you continue to be an uninformed idiot on and off Facepunch.[/quote]
[quote]you flame too much and that's no good
also why would you randomly call sanius a sissy in the "my friend got raped" thing that's as bad as youtube comments about justin bieber on videos about something completely unrelated[/quote]
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Please fuck off and have a nice day :)[/quote]
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uhhhhhhhhh
Whoa Wilford, my argument has been unraveled before my very eyes!
How did I not see it? It's.. so obvious..
If only I had known that my ban history and personal attacks from people that have disagreed with me in the past proved that excessive violence and the use of teargas and rubber bullets on peaceful protesters is completely justified, I would have never even tried to convince you otherwise!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggXmKPMaHMo[/media]
Kopimi was kind enough to donate his voice and likeness as the blue-shirted man in this video.
can someone please explain what all this occupy X stuff means?
[QUOTE=legolover122;32981480]can someone please explain what all this occupy X stuff means?[/QUOTE]
#OccupyWallStreet is basically an impromptu protest/demonstration that, obviously, started in New York City, where people protested the 1% of American citizens who control a huge portion of the wealth. They also talked about the fraud taking place in private banking, the federal reserve, etc..
It's basically just a large group of people protesting the people who REALLY have control of the country.
All the other Occupy ____ protests are the same basis, just different cities.
[QUOTE=legolover122;32981480]can someone please explain what all this occupy X stuff means?[/QUOTE]
I could try to explain, but it would end up in an IA-Class-Internet Argument Scenario.
A live example can be seen in action:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYVsuiLBUPs[/media]
[editline]26th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=NorthernGate;32980270]
I remember reading that german police were very brutal and efficient.[/QUOTE]
I am a horrible person for laughing.
[QUOTE=Cone;32981057]Well there's always people in there just to start something, though of course that isn't a viable reason to shoot at everyone.
I doubt the protestors were being entirely peaceful, though. I mean, what possible reason would there be for the police to pull shit like this? In New York they used Pepper Spray, but that isn't fucking tear gas, you can't get away with that.
Either somebody in command was being really, really stupid, or there was at least a semi-decent reason to open fire. A semi-decent reason isn't really enough, but it's a start, I guess.[/QUOTE]
Well, as much as I wish I could trust the police had a good enough reason to use excessive force, their record with excessive force hasn't been impeccable.
I'm not saying there wasn't a reason for them to use excessive force, but I'm not going to take their word for it either.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;32982305]Well, as much as I wish I could trust the police had a good enough reason to use excessive force, their record with excessive force hasn't been impeccable.
I'm not saying there wasn't a reason for them to use excessive force, but I'm not going to take their word for it either.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, having seen the condition Oakland seems to be in in some areas, I'm willing to bet some dude just lost his shit and attacked one of the cops, though that doesn't justify firing on everyone.
ITT: Justifying assault against protestors and violating the constitution, and a lack of understanding of the purpose of protests
[QUOTE=Bones85;32982388]ITT: Justifying assault against protestors and violating the constitution, and a lack of understanding of the purpose of protests[/QUOTE]
Justifying? Hardly. Both sides have understandable situations.
[QUOTE=Bones85;32982388]ITT: Justifying assault against protestors and violating the constitution, and a lack of understanding of the purpose of protests[/QUOTE]
ITT: Retards not reading the thread.
Stop bandwagoning and get the facts brah.
Neither side of this is in the right. But I'd say the police are less wrong, think about it, the [del]rebels[/del] protesters started instigating and attacked the officers, police responded with teargas grenades and accidentally hit some people, plus the police were just following orders.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;32982672]Neither side of this is in the right. But I'd say the police are less wrong, think about it, the [del]rebels[/del] protesters started instigating and attacked the officers, police responded with teargas grenades and accidentally hit some people, plus the police were just following orders.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say so. You have to look at this logically. They were planning something if they had a fuck ton of police officers in riot gear at a peaceful protest when it's a city with a high crime rate and at night.
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