LIVE: Thousands Of New Yorkers Heading To Block Holland Tunnel in NYC - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46641751]By stopping people from getting to and from work, you disrupt the economy. Disrupt the economy enough, and people [I]will[/I] listen.[/QUOTE] Oh boy that's a fantastic way to get through to people, make the economy even more unstable and force people to listen to your rhetoric. Genius. Look, the message about police violence and racial tensions in America, I totally agree with and support. What I don't support is making other people miserable because they aren't listening to you.

People are fighting against what they perceive to be corruption. By sitting in the corner where you're told to against corruption you're playing exactly into their hands, you're sitting exactly where they want you to sit. You need to hurt them in the only place they can understand; their wallets. [editline]4th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46641758]Oh boy that's a fantastic way to get through to people, make the economy even more unstable and force people to listen to your rhetoric. Genius.[/QUOTE] It's basic strategy. This form of civil disobedience was instrumental in the civil rights movement in the '50s and '60s.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46641747]They blame the protesters for ruining their time, and will support the police in future actions against the protests.[/QUOTE] Thinking that protests can be quieted by police is incredibly shortsighted. All that's doing is making un-apprehended protesters more indignant, and it'll cause more protests.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46641763] You need to hurt them in the only place they can understand; their wallets.[/QUOTE] So what if, hypothetically, a parent gets home extremely late, gets to bed late, and has bad job performance the next day, and is fired. They are no longer able to provide for their children. Why do you think that's the best course of action.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46641763]People are fighting against what they perceive to be corruption. By sitting in the corner where you're told to against corruption you're playing exactly into their hands, you're sitting exactly where they want you to sit. You need to hurt them in the only place they can understand; their wallets. [editline]4th December 2014[/editline] It's basic strategy. This form of civil disobedience was instrumental in the civil rights movement in the '50s and '60s.[/QUOTE] This is what I've been trying to say. Prettily pointed, sir.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46641776]So what if, hypothetically, a parent gets home extremely late, gets to bed late, and has bad job performance the next day, and is fired. They are no longer able to provide for their children. Why do you think that's the best course of action.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just saying what it is. [editline]4th December 2014[/editline] Like I said before, I'm actually confused as to exact goals of this protest.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46641781]These protests are going to end up just like the occupy movement. They've already turned people's ears away from their cause by coming to the defense of a criminal. Now they've turned more ears away by burning Ferguson, now they've turned more ears away by blocking roads How can you prove your point when no one is listening?[/QUOTE] What do you mean no one's listening? It's one of the most major current events right now. Everyone in the media is talking about it. They've made the cover of TIME magazine and they're currently in second place in the voting for Person of the year.

lol lrad on a fucking peaceful protest

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46641795] they're currently in second place in the voting for Person of the year.[/QUOTE] That's fuckin' stupid if you ask me, seriously. That's not a person. They are not influential, nor have they been for a long period of time (2 weeks does not count, sorry)

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46641733]I'm just saying you can't cry about the police showing up and arresting you and scream about "omg the police state wants us to stop protesting" when you're illegally protesting and you're in the way of traffic, and you're creating a public safety risk.[/QUOTE] Of course you can what the fuck are you talking about you lunatic. Yeah i guess when they were mowing down protestors during the arab spring they shouldnt have bitched about it because it protesting there was illegal and protests have to be legal to be valid right? You're missing the entire point. The law can be wrong. Furthermore, anyone putting their "convenience" concerns above the concerns of the protestors need a serious reality check. Also, did you just suggest that people worried about "convenience" would counter protest? that defeats the entire point of being worried about it inconveniencing you holy shit what.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46641793]Yes, and they'll form mobs AGAINST you. They'll COME for you. If the police don't quell the protests then PISSED OFF people will.[/QUOTE] Then the government will have to take some real action, which is what the protests' goal is. All they're looking for is recognition. You can't seriously believe people will form counter-protests without even acknowledging the cause? They're not protesting for citizens to agree with them, they're protesting to get people to [I]py attention[/I] to them. They're looking for publicity, and they're getting it.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46641776]So what if, hypothetically, a parent gets home extremely late, gets to bed late, and has bad job performance the next day, and is fired. They are no longer able to provide for their children. Why do you think that's the best course of action.[/QUOTE] i don't think this happens lol I wonder if there are people in this thread who think the million man march was dumb on the basis that it inconvenienced a few people

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46641830] They're looking for publicity, and they're getting it.[/QUOTE] So wanting attention is justification enough to be a giant group of dicks and sit in front of people who just want to get home. Alright.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46641814]That's fuckin' stupid if you ask me, seriously. That's not a person. They are not influential, nor have they been for a long period of time (2 weeks does not count, sorry)[/QUOTE] Person of the year is just a title. Its wikipedia article describes it as "an annual issue of the United States news magazine Time that features and profiles a person, group, idea or object that "for better or for worse...has done the most to influence the events of the year"". Also, 2 weeks my ass. This shit's been going on and making headlines since August.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46641844]So wanting attention is justification enough to be a giant group of dicks and sit in front of people who just want to get home. Alright.[/QUOTE] ok you're like the last guy who said something like this, you're claiming these people are dicks because they're literally fighting for the very real problem of police brutality and discrimination in the justice system

Regardless of how you feel about the ethics of inconveniencing the public in order to put attention on your protest, you have to agree that it's certainly better than violence. We've had so much of that shit that anything but a riot feels like a relief.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46641852]And none of the attention is permanent. At most they've got a few more weeks of publicity before the ratings dry up and the media moves on to the "next big thing". Notice how Ebola isn't in the news anymore? Because everyone's tired of hearing about it. The protests were the "next big thing", and once another "big thing" comes around, the media coverage will plummet.[/QUOTE] They were a big thing in August. They're a big thing now. As long as there's a group interested in it, and as long as more injustices happen in the future, they'll continue being a big thing. Problems don't stop existing when we don't acknowledge them. It's called object permanence.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46641776]So what if, hypothetically, a parent gets home extremely late, gets to bed late, and has bad job performance the next day, and is fired. They are no longer able to provide for their children. Why do you think that's the best course of action.[/QUOTE] Because the other option is to simply allow police to not be held accountable for their actions. If the number of people that are fired from their jobs comes out to equal the number of lives saved (since both are extreme cases the numbers will probably be somewhat similar) then I am perfectly fine with them protesting like this.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46641816]So does that mean I should just go out and make a suppressor because I disagree with it being illegal for me to possess a suppressor without a tax stamp? The law can be wrong, but you can't expect to be immune to the consequences of breaking the law just because you disagree.[/QUOTE] Is your argument seriously devolving into "well if you think one law is wrong how am i supposed to know how to follow any laws! surely we would all just devolve into (suppressed) gun toting wackjobs!) What you're talking about isn't the protestors expecting to be immune, if the fear of the law could stop them, they wouldn't be protesting. but that doesn't change that the law shouldn't exist. Do you have no response to the comparisons between this and the american civil rights movement? Are you saying they shouldn't have inconvenienced anyone either?

ilikecorn, whats your solution if not protest? Lmfao. Its easy to be apathetic, its hard to actually try and change the world.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46641876]No. No it hasn't. It flared up, died down, and flared up again when the grand jury's came back. And it'll die down again when the ratings die down.[/QUOTE] And don't you think it might flare up again? Then don't you think people will care again? Believe it or not, things keep happening when they're not televised. As long as police keep getting away with murder and systematic oppression of an entire race, people are going to stay mad about it. Also, the ratings won't die down as long as protests keep happening. More protests means more coverage, which means more ratings. People won't be tired of it as long as there are people protesting it in the streets, forcing the issue on us. Ebola stopped being covered because it wasn't a real problem and it was just more sensationalism to keep people scared. Now it's the other way around, scared and angry people are the subject of the news, and as long as they're still mad, there'll still be large-scale protests, and the media will literally have to talk about it. You won't turn on the news and not hear about these protests, they'll be in your daily traffic reports.

[B]Edit 12:[/B] They're shooting them! Oh god they're shooting the protesters! It is a bloodbath, everybody is dead!!

weird, i thought ilikecorn & silence i kill you were against big government and all that?

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46641930]Is your argument seriously "people can ignore the law as long as they think it's illegal". Because that's exactly what you're saying. But you know what, lets address your pathetic concerns. Let's address your idiotic comparisons to the civil rights movement The American civil rights movement was HIGHLY organized, by MULTIPLE entities, and was supported by various WEALTHY individuals. These protests aren't. The civil rights movement gained momentum because segregation WASN'T a thing all over the US, in fact it was EXTREMELY limited. There was an entire group of states that said "wait.. you're treating blacks differently? What about the whole "civil war" thing?" Now it's different. Now there isn't explicit laws condoning segregation. Go ahead, look for them, you aren't going to find them. Now you don't have explicit things to show the people and say "LOOK, THIS IS BAD". Now you need to actually convince the wealthy and the middle class that there's actually a problem. Know how you DON'T do that? By burning down your city (Ferguson) and by blocking tunnels and screaming "FUK DA POLICE". Because the wealthy and the middle class don't share your struggle, they only see a bunch of people who are screaming about something, and they're in the way of accomplishing their daily tasks. [editline]4th December 2014[/editline] You can literally protest legally. You can completely and totally legally protest. And you can't cry when you try and skip the completely totally legal way to protest, and the police show up and arrest you.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that just because the problem is more deep-rooted and harder to tackle, we shouldn't pay attention to it? We're going to be stuck in a cycle of civil rights debates if we don't acknowledge the wrongdoings of the past correctly. Police are discriminating against black people, and just because it's not written down in the law anymore doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying to fix that. [editline]4th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=ilikecorn;46641930] You can literally protest legally. You can completely and totally legally protest. And you can't cry when you try and skip the completely totally legal way to protest, and the police show up and arrest you.[/QUOTE] Why are you acting like legal protests ever did anything? Sometimes people have to break the law to bring attention to flaws in the system. I don't understand why you're so preoccupied with some of the arrested protesters acting the way they are. That's really not paying attention to the real situation at all. Legal protests don't get responses from the government, since they see the permission to protest as a response.

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46641959] Police are discriminating against black people[/QUOTE] Imo this was the only black guy that was discriminated against unfairly recently.

[QUOTE=pgr2gamer;46641986]Imo this was the only black guy that was discriminated against unfairly recently.[/QUOTE] you must not have noticed the hugely disproportionate amount of blacks in prison who received harsher sentences than whites who commit the same crimes

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46641993]you must not have noticed the hugely disproportionate amount of blacks in prison who received harsher sentences than whites who commit the same crimes[/QUOTE] I mean from a popularity point of view, comparing it to Zimmerman and Ferguson Also is it possible I can get some sources, I'm just really curious

I see this case as more of an issue with cops using excessive force and not being held accountable for their actions when they cross the line more than an issue about race. I feel like that cop would have done the same thing to anyone, because he's a power tripping moron like so many of our finest. He needs to lose his job in law enforcement permanently and face manslaughter charges. Is it the unions that stop police from being able to be fired or really get into any trouble? I am afraid of my local police, and I am a middle class white male in Indiana, I am afraid because they can do whatever they want without accountability. Police officers should be held to the same standards as everyone else. That needs to change. Hell it pisses me off to see a cop speeding 20mph above the speed limit while not on call, just because. Those speed limits were not placed arbitrarily, they are there for a reason.

yes lets stop protesting and try to educate the police on how to properly treat other human beings, im sure the courts would love to hel- oh, they've decided they don't want to even put a murderer on trial? gee. we don't even know whether this was racially motivated, and to an extent it's unimportant compared to the fact they've arbitrarily decided not even to put him on trial.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46641742]Like send more police. And the National Guard. They aren't going to pull a civil rights movement and spray people with firehoses, the governments of the US have learned how to quell protests without creating martyrs. And they do it exceptionally well.[/QUOTE] So let's say this situation does happen and the protests die out. Does life suddenly go back to normal?Is everything suddenly nice and happy in America again? No, thousands of innocent black people will keep being murdered by the police, and the police will receive no punishment for it. You're arguing that it's fine for all this police brutality to exist nationwide and claim thousands of innocent lives because staging effective protests makes people late for work sometimes.