LIVE: Thousands Of New Yorkers Heading To Block Holland Tunnel in NYC

[JumpinJackFlash]

Today there was protests in Minneapolis, they blocked the highway. I found this out because there was a bunch of helicopters all over and they appeared to be following [i]me[/i] so I became alarmed that I was somehow wanted by the police. Thankfully I was just nearby something that was interesting, and not actually wanted for something that would warrant helicopter chases.

I helped some woman from Wisconsin I had met locate the protest, she was nice.

Was there protests elsewhere?

[Ajacks]

I think the problem might lay with the unions. They do a lot to help police officers keep their benefits but they are such a strong force and influence that causes cases like this to happen because they don't want to upset the police unions and face the probelms that would bring.

You cant do a damn thing to stop accidents caused by crazy ass cops and racist cops except tighten the requirements to be an officer, not allow such lenience towards officers when they break the law, and hold officers to the same prosecution standards when they do commit a crime. That would be how you would change this fear of law enforcement abusing their power.

[BigJoeyLemons]

[QUOTE=pgr2gamer;46642000]Also is it possible I can get some sources, I'm just really curious[/QUOTE]

Do you take Twitter testimony?
[url]http://micdotcom.tumblr.com/post/104349036974/alivewhileblack-is-the-heartbreaking-response-to[/url]

[arlygoodbrownie]

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46642036]Do you take Twitter testimony?
[url]http://micdotcom.tumblr.com/post/104349036974/alivewhileblack-is-the-heartbreaking-response-to[/url][/QUOTE]

A tumblr composing of screenshots of tweets is a terrible source, tbh

[BigJoeyLemons]

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46642018]Furthermore:
The civil rights movement succeeded because of CLEAR goals, they wanted:
meaningful civil rights laws
massive federal works program
full and fair employment
decent housing
the right to vote
adequate integrated education.

To which the government successfully responded to almost ALL of their demands.

Protesting police brutality and systemic racism is EXTREMELY broad. If you want people to listen you have to lay out specific goals. Ending police brutality and systemic racism is the name of the game, now list off ways you want this to happen.

You want an improvement in the judicial system? Great, me too! Now, what exactly do you want to improve? The indictment rate of cops? Reducing the rate of false conviction?

What do you want?

You want better inner city schools? You want crime to drop amongst your community? You want gang violence to go down? What do you want? How do you want the judicial system and the police to reform?
That's what the protesters are missing, specific wants.[/QUOTE]

The movement is certainly lacking a proper spokesperson and leader, but that's no reason to denounce the entire cause. Although that seems to be a running theme with modern protest, what with the Internet and all.

[BigJoeyLemons]

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;46642055]A tumblr composing of screenshots of tweets is a terrible source, tbh[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I just saw it a little while ago and I figured it was something. Off the top of my head I can remember Tamir Rice and John Crawford, both from Ohio, an open-carry state, who were shot on sight (and on video) for holding toy guns that clearly posed no immediate threat. Both of these cases are pretty easy to find more information about, since it's kind of a big subject right now.

[editline]5th December 2014[/editline]

Here's a more legit list, reposted from another thread:
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46634120]Police getting away with murder is a very real problem that needs to be addressed. Here's a post from reddit that grabs dozens of cases of cops killing totally innocent people in cold blood with genuinely zero excuse - every single one was not indicted:

Cops murder Kelly Thomas, a gentle homeless man with schizophrenia, because they didn't want him sitting in that area and threatened to “f--- him up” before killing him: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KU0Imk2Bstg[/url][1]
Cops threw flashbang into baby's crib (with children's toys all around the yard of the house and with no police work to justify the warrant). [url]http://www.salon.com/2014/06/24/a_swat_team_blew_a_hole_in_my_2_year_old_son/[/url][2] [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/05/30/drug-task-force-that-burned-a-toddler-this-week-also-killed-an-innocent-pastor-in-2009/[/url][3]
Cops shoot and kill a 7 year old girl who was asleep during a midnight home raid (while film crews were filming for TV): [url]http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/aiyana-stanley-jones/#[/url][4]
Cop kills unarmed man holding baby: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMDIK4bOpwk[/url][5]
Cops shoot to kill without even identifying the target: [url]http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/04/11/john-winkler-shot-dead-police-mistaken-identity-tv-producer?hpt=hp_t2[/url][6]
Cop shoots and kills homeless Albuquerque man for no reason: [url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/10/albuquerque-ordered-pay-6m-wrongful-death[/url][7]
Cop kills innocent, unarmed father in a stairwell because he claimed the stairwell was dark: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/21/us/new-york-police-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2[/url][8]
Cop’s record cleared for accidentally shooting boy in head: [url]http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=44700[/url][9]
Cop shoots boy in chest when he answered the door, mistaking a Wii controller for a gun: [url]http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/attorney-teen-was-shot-having-wii-controller-hand/ndSrL/[/url][10]
Cops beat delusional man to death as citizens watch: [url]http://atlasleft.org/washington-man-cries-for-help-as-hes-beaten-to-death-by-police-video/[/url][11]
Cops unleash attack dog on innocent college kid already being restrained on ground by numerous officers, no punishment to officers: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/us/police-beating-video/[/url][12]
Cops shoot and kill elderly man in his own garage at night while checking out the wrong address: [url]http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/27/police-shoot-dead-grandfather-72-while-searching-the-wrong-home-for-burglar-blame-poor-lighting/[/url][13]
Cops shoot at man in streets in NY, hit bystanders: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/15/justice/times-square-police-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2[/url][14]
Cops lied to obtain a no-knock warrant and shot and killed a grandma in her own home, then planted drugs to cover up the crime: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting[/url][15]
Cops shoots and kills honors student at college campus: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519842/Valedictorian-honors-student-shot-dead-college-campus-cop-routine-traffic-stop.html[/url][16]
Cops shoot and wound man getting cigarettes from his own car at his own house for no reason at all: [url]http://gawker.com/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-949237195[/url][17]
Cops kill man by compressing him while arresting him while he was distraught: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/justice/oklahoma-arrest-death-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t2[/url][18]
Police shoot diabetic man after his wife called for medical help, they claim he picked up a knife: [url]http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/07/woman-says-she-called-911-for-an-ambulan[/url][19]
Cops shoot man holding a toy gun in walmart with no warning and lied in their report. [url]http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/special-grand-jury-selected-john-crawford-case/nhRwM/[/url][20]
Covert officers assault girls for buying bottled water, cops thought it was alcohol: [url]http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/07/02/198047492/felony-arrest-of-student-who-bought-water-riles-many-in-virginia[/url][21]
Cop shoot elderly man reaching for cane: [url]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/03/14/mxp-sot-deputy-shoots-elderly-mane-reaching-for-cane.cnn.html[/url][22]
Cops kill man with garden hose using a shotgun and no warning: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6S7LRrCru8[/url][23]
Florida man survives 13 shots by officers while sitting in his car: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/florida-shot-by-mistake/index.html[/url][24]
Cops almost shoot and kill a hospital-worker in her own home with a warrant for an entire apartment complex and screaming at her door: [url]http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20130718/COLUMNIST/130719612/2256/NEWS?p=1&tc=pg[/url][25]
Cops raiding small friendly poker games with militarized tactics, accidentally killing people-- dying man says “Why did you shoot me, I was reading a book.”: [url]http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/[/url][26]
Cop beats handcuffed teen and is acquitted because video ‘should only be used to protect cops, not prosecute them.’ [url]http://intellihub.com/2013/07/05/judge-finds-cop-not-guilty-of-assault-after-refusing-to-watch-video-of-assault/[/url][27]
Cop purposely holds onto door handle so he would have the right to shoot and kill a Sunday school teacher who was driving away from the cops. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BSPhC916GQM[/url][28]
Cops use dubious excuses to justify lethal force: [url]http://www.allgov.com/news/us-and-the-world/border-patrol-used-dubious-tactics-to-create-pretext-to-justify-shootings-cbp-tried-to-bury-scathing-report-140302?news=852571[/url][29]
Cop shoots homeless man who was deaf and doing woodcarving: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/22/us/44-officers-are-charged-after-ohio-sting-operation.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm[/url][30]
Cop shoots man in back several times, then stands over him and shoots again to kill him—questionable whether the man actually was armed or not—conflicting evidence given. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=159PM7ZKcv0[/url] [31]
Cop attacks random people in crowd and punches NY judge, judge shocked that cop not charged: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/judge-thomas-raffaele-attacker-charges_n_1822928.html[/url][32]
Drunk NY cops shoot at people: [url]http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/05/three-drunk-nypd-officers-shoot-at-people.html[/url][33]
Cop with dismal record shoots 12 year old boy with toy gun: [url]http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/03/officer-who-fatally-shot-tamir-rice-had-been-judged-unfit[/url][34]
Cop shoots and kills handcuffed man: [url]https://news.vice.com/article/el-paso-releases-video-of-cop-executing-handcuffed-man-wheres-the-anger[/url][35][/QUOTE]

[isak]

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46642072]I'm not denouncing their cause. I'm merely pointing out that without the elements of a proper movement, all they're doing is pissing people off. That's it. That's all.

People wouldn't be nearly as pissed at the protests if they were actually organized and had clear and concise goals. The elements of a movement also have a handy way of preventing idiots from ruining the protest (like in what happened in Ferguson)[/QUOTE]

Guess what? The civil rights movement pissed a whole lot of people off. Millions. When you live in a big city, seeing protests outside the capitol building is almost a daily occurrence. Almost every single time I've visited Austin I've seen a protest outside the capitol - and that's upwards of 100 times. They were organized and policed and they had permits - and eventually it becomes part of the city's backdrop and you stop giving half a shit about them. You glance over "oh, it's abortion this time!" "gun rights again!" and it's over with. You don't care.

When people prevent you from going home and block traffic and actually take part in civil disobedience and REAL protests, people pay attention. Yes, some people will react negatively, but a huge majority will recognize it. And guess what? The media will recognize it. The media won't give a shit if there's the 20th protest of the month in the designated protest area - but they'll report on road blockages due to protests. And that gets the message out. That's what they want to accomplish - spreading outrage that deserves to be spread.

[Eeshton]

There aren't any clear and concise laws to protest against, they're protesting against corruption within the justice system and corruption within the general police force. You aren't going to go to the same justice system that caused what you are protesting and calmly ask them not to be corrupt. If you honestly believe this is going to die down with no outcome, then you can't possibly believe that the "literally legal" way to protest would've worked.

[isak]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;46642016]Today there was protests in Minneapolis, they blocked the highway. I found this out because there was a bunch of helicopters all over and they appeared to be following [i]me[/i] so I became alarmed that I was somehow wanted by the police. Thankfully I was just nearby something that was interesting, and not actually wanted for something that would warrant helicopter chases.

I helped some woman from Wisconsin I had met locate the protest, she was nice.

Was there protests elsewhere?[/QUOTE]

Hey, south Minneapolis reporting in. Crosstown felt even slower than usual.

I know there were protests in Dallas and other areas in Texas along 35, both about Gardner and Ferguson.

[mutant]

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46641776]So what if, hypothetically, a parent gets home extremely late, gets to bed late, and has bad job performance the next day, and is fired. They are no longer able to provide for their children.

Why do you think that's the best course of action.[/QUOTE]
These kinds of emotional appeals are so common and yet so fucking terrible. We should all be better than to stoop to pathetic tear bait posts of shit that didn't happen.

[EddieLTU]

oh american police system, you disgust me
these people are now forced to get out to streets

[dbk21894]

there are what, 4-6000 protesters?

let's just say 6000

New York City has 8.406 million residents

that's 0.000713775874% of the population

let's assume half of NYC pays taxes

that's 0.00142755175% of the people who paid for those roads blocking them from use by the other 99.9985724% of the population

these people need to get the fuck off of their high horses and do something productive like getting thousands of people to write letters to congress

protest all you want, but these people have just made themselves the "1%" that these same people protested two years ago

I am all for peaceful protests, but the second that you begin to impact the daily lives of people who have nothing to do with what you are protesting, I no longer consider it a peaceful protest. Just because you're not actively engaged in an act of violence doesn't make it peaceful.

If you cause someone to lose their job because they were tardy to work, or you cause a heart-attack patient to wait an extra 5 minutes for an ambulance and that person dies, you have flushed the entire cause of your protest down the toilet.

There are literally thousands of places that you could protest in NYC. The protest would still be heavily covered, word would get out, people would be aware. You protest in the streets like barbarians? That's uncivilized and shows how much you care about your neighbors.

The people you are inconveniencing are your peers. They aren't "the enemy", they aren't "the man", they aren't bad people. They are regular every day Americans who just want to get on with their fucking miserable lives. You don't have to go and make it any worse.

[Silence]

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46641947]weird, i thought ilikecorn & silence i kill you were against big government and all that?[/QUOTE]

I am against an unnecessarily big government, but my point has nothing to do with the government.

There are ways to effectively protest and draw attention to your cause without negatively affecting people who don't deserve it.

You want more people to JOIN your cause. The larger the protest becomes, the more the government has to listen. By pissing people off, you push people away from your cause, and possibly have them ignore your cause altogether and start pushing for the protest to be dispersed before it can reach it's goal.

You can't FORCE someone to care about or acknowledge your cause, but your actions can easily cause people to ignore and write-off your cause at the drop of a hat no matter what it is.

[Lachz0r]

[QUOTE=dbk21894;46642190]there are what, 4-6000 protesters?

let's just say 6000

New York City has 8.406 million residents

that's 0.000713775874% of the population

let's assume half of NYC pays taxes

that's 0.00142755175% of the people who paid for those roads blocking them from use by the other 99.9985724% of the population

these people need to get the fuck off of their high horses and do something productive like getting thousands of people to write letters to congress

protest all you want, but these people have just made themselves the "1%" that these same people protested two years ago

I am all for peaceful protests, but the second that you begin to impact the daily lives of people who have nothing to do with what you are protesting, I no longer consider it a peaceful protest. Just because you're not actively engaged in an act of violence doesn't make it peaceful.

If you cause someone to lose their job because they were tardy to work, or you cause a heart-attack patient to wait an extra 5 minutes for an ambulance and that person dies, you have flushed the entire cause of your protest down the toilet.

There are literally thousands of places that you could protest in NYC. The protest would still be heavily covered, word would get out, people would be aware. You protest in the streets like barbarians? That's uncivilized and shows how much you care about your neighbors.

The people you are inconveniencing are your peers. They aren't "the enemy", they aren't "the man", they aren't bad people. They are regular every day Americans who just want to get on with their fucking miserable lives. You don't have to go and make it any worse.[/QUOTE]

surely within a democracy everybody should be 'the man' ?

[BigJoeyLemons]

[QUOTE=dbk21894;46642190]these people need to get the fuck off of their high horses and do something productive like getting thousands of people to write letters to congress.[/QUOTE]

Do you know how easy it is to ignore a letter? You literally have to do nothing. When people protest for weeks on end in the street, you have to do something. Did you read the past three pages? You're bringing up the same things people brought up before, and those percentages mean pretty much nothing. I'm sure you could make that same 1% remark about the people in the Occupy Wall Street movement.

[isak]

[QUOTE=dbk21894;46642190]there are what, 4-6000 protesters?

let's just say 6000

New York City has 8.406 million residents

that's 0.000713775874% of the population

let's assume half of NYC pays taxes

that's 0.00142755175% of the people who paid for those roads blocking them from use by the other 99.9985724% of the population

these people need to get the fuck off of their high horses and do something productive like getting thousands of people to write letters to congress

protest all you want, but these people have just made themselves the "1%" that these same people protested two years ago

I am all for peaceful protests, but the second that you begin to impact the daily lives of people who have nothing to do with what you are protesting, I no longer consider it a peaceful protest. Just because you're not actively engaged in an act of violence doesn't make it peaceful.

If you cause someone to lose their job because they were tardy to work, or you cause a heart-attack patient to wait an extra 5 minutes for an ambulance and that person dies, you have flushed the entire cause of your protest down the toilet.

There are literally thousands of places that you could protest in NYC. The protest would still be heavily covered, word would get out, people would be aware. You protest in the streets like barbarians? That's uncivilized and shows how much you care about your neighbors.

The people you are inconveniencing are your peers. They aren't "the enemy", they aren't "the man", they aren't bad people. They are regular every day Americans who just want to get on with their fucking miserable lives. You don't have to go and make it any worse.[/QUOTE]

yes, every single citizen of new york city uses holland tunnel

and if you're not taking part in the protest you obviously don't care at all about the event that caused it or the underlying corruption and brutality behind it.

i'm sure our inept gridlocked congress will take care to make one of the very few laws they pass every year concern the management of locally-run PDs that they have zero control over.

like I said in an earlier post - nobody pays any attention to "legal" protests. they're almost an everyday happening in Austin, which is significantly smaller than NYC - i'm sure there's up to a protest (or more) per day in NYC - nobody will pay any attention if it's a neatly contained protest. if you want people (and the media) to pay attention, you have to make some noise, and interrupting traffic is the best way to do it while remaining peaceful.

[dbk21894]

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46642195]surely within a democracy everybody should be 'the man' ?[/QUOTE]

is that literally all you gleamed from that

some people don't give a flying fuck

when you protest like this, inconveniencing thousands, all you are doing is creating more people who do not agree with the protest

they don't care about what the reason of the protest is

all they know is that you're protesting for whatever reason, and you're making their lives more difficult

they are going to hate you, and everything you stand for, regardless of your reasoning for doing whatever it is that you're doing

I do not understand why people don't get this

the people who care will care, the people who don't, won't

stop forcing people who don't care to pick a side

there have been countless posts I've seen that basically say "If you're not with me, you're against me."

that is the wrong attitude to have

these people are not the enemy, and turning them into the enemy is just putting a target on your own back

[BigJoeyLemons]

[QUOTE=dbk21894;46642217]
there have been countless posts I've seen that basically say "If you're not with me, you're against me."[/QUOTE]

If you are silent in the face of oppression, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Also, try using periods. It's really hard to read those posts.

[isak]

[QUOTE=dbk21894;46642217]is that literally all you gleamed from that

some people don't give a flying fuck

when you protest like this, inconveniencing thousands, all you are doing is creating more people who do not agree with the protest

they don't care about what the reason of the protest is

all they know is that you're protesting for whatever reason, and you're making their lives more difficult

they are going to hate you, and everything you stand for, regardless of your reasoning for doing whatever it is that you're doing

I do not understand why people don't get this

the people who care will care, the people who don't, won't

stop forcing people who don't care to pick a side

there have been countless posts I've seen that basically say "If you're not with me, you're against me."

that is the wrong attitude to have

these people are not the enemy, and turning them into the enemy is just putting a target on your own back[/QUOTE]

I'm not at the protests. Apparently I don't care about this at all. News to me. Millions of people in NYC care about this - they're just busy working and not losing their jobs and being stop-and-frisked to take part in all-day protests.

Also, jesus christ, is your dick stapled to the enter key?

[dbk21894]

[QUOTE=.Isak.;46642216]yes, every single citizen of new york city uses holland tunnel

[B]and if you're not taking part in the protest you obviously don't care at all about the event that caused it or the underlying corruption and brutality behind it.[/B]

i'm sure our inept gridlocked congress will take care to make one of the very few laws they pass every year concern the management of locally-run PDs that they have zero control over.

like I said in an earlier post - nobody pays any attention to "legal" protests. they're almost an everyday happening in Austin, which is significantly smaller than NYC - i'm sure there's up to a protest (or more) per day in NYC - nobody will pay any attention if it's a neatly contained protest. if you want people (and the media) to pay attention, you have to make some noise, and interrupting traffic is the best way to do it while remaining peaceful.[/QUOTE]

That part of your post is where I have the biggest issue. That is not the case at all. I have an opinion on the matter. Many people care, but are not protesting. They have other things to do like work, take care of their families, etc. The whole concept of "With us or against us" is all wrong.

I think that is where this series of protests has failed. They are creating a divide in the public.

Just because I'm not protesting, I'm supporting corruption? Bullshit.

[Dougz]

Am I the only one who can't stand the chants they start at these protests? They always sound so horrible

[isak]

[QUOTE=dbk21894;46642245]That part of your post is where I have the biggest issue. That is not the case at all. I have an opinion on the matter. Many people care, but are not protesting. They have other things to do like work, take care of their families, etc. The whole concept of "With us or against us" is all wrong.

I think that is where this series of protests has failed. They are creating a divide in the public.

Just because I'm not protesting, I'm supporting corruption? Bullshit.[/QUOTE]

You know I was picking fun at what you said? You came across as the one saying "they're inconveniencing people who don't care at all."

I totally agree with you - you don't need to be physically protesting to care about this. I said that in the post above yours. I'm aware that there will be a lot of people who aren't affected by the Gardner case, and who wouldn't care. These protests affect them and bring the issue to light for those people. It's not a "with-us-or-against-us" thing - it's spreading a message to those who don't know about it. Sure, it's annoying, but it's very, very effective.

[BigJoeyLemons]

[QUOTE=dbk21894;46642245]That part of your post is where I have the biggest issue. That is not the case at all. I have an opinion on the matter. Many people care, but are not protesting. They have other things to do like work, take care of their families, etc. The whole concept of "With us or against us" is all wrong.

I think that is where this series of protests has failed. They are creating a divide in the public.

Just because I'm not protesting, I'm supporting corruption? Bullshit.[/QUOTE]

You don't have to go to protests, you just have to voice your opinion. If you don't, you're not making anything happen and the system survives thanks to your apathy.

[sloppy_joes]

[QUOTE=dbk21894;46642217]is that literally all you gleamed from that

some people don't give a flying fuck

when you protest like this, inconveniencing thousands, all you are doing is creating more people who do not agree with the protest

they don't care about what the reason of the protest is

all they know is that you're protesting for whatever reason, and you're making their lives more difficult

they are going to hate you, and everything you stand for, regardless of your reasoning for doing whatever it is that you're doing

I do not understand why people don't get this

the people who care will care, the people who don't, won't

stop forcing people who don't care to pick a side

there have been countless posts I've seen that basically say "If you're not with me, you're against me."

that is the wrong attitude to have

these people are not the enemy, and turning them into the enemy is just putting a target on your own back[/QUOTE]

you have no idea how many people are sympathetic to the cause. just because only a few thousand are able to protest doesn't mean everyone who isn't protesting doesn't agree with them. maybe people on the street don't know why theyre protesting and seeing them protest makes you research their cause, who cares? all it is is showing there is a huge problem to a greater number of people.

the entire idea behind protesting is to say you've had enough and demand immediate government action. i think police corruption and systematic racism are two good things to tackle, how can anyone disagree with this?

[editline]5th December 2014[/editline]

i cant imagine what type of shithole chinese-wannabe police state we would live in if people like you actually mattered in terms of governance

[Codemaster85]

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46642496]you have no idea how many people are sympathetic to the cause. just because only a few thousand are able to protest doesn't mean everyone who isn't protesting doesn't agree with them. the entire idea behind protesting is to say you've had enough and you're willing to, essentially, waste time to show how fed up you are.

[editline]5th December 2014[/editline]

i cant imagine what type of shithole chinese-wannabe police state we would live in if people like you actually mattered in terms of governance[/QUOTE]

What hes saying is you're effectively making an us vs them situation when you interrupt other people's lives. most people know that its terrible but fuck, they just want to get home and relax from working or do things with their friends/families. why do you suddenly have the right to interrupt that at all. If they get a permit to do a march or if they stay in a public area, then there would be no problem. Blocking a major road is just pissing off bystanders and the police while making the majority of the protesters look like dickheads.

[Contend]

Someone getting arrested:

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[sloppy_joes]

[QUOTE=codemaster85;46642528]What hes saying is you're effectively making an us vs them situation when you interrupt other people's lives. most people know that its terrible but fuck, they just want to get home and relax from working or do things with their friends/families. why do you suddenly have the right to interrupt that at all. If they get a permit to do a march or if they stay in a public area, then there would be no problem. Blocking a major road is just pissing off bystanders and the police while making the majority of the protesters look like dickheads.[/QUOTE]

i dont think being selfish and hedonistic is a good reason to ignore the problems of the world.

"I JUST WANT TO GO HOME AND WATCH FOOTBALL, CAN'T WE SHUT THESE NIGGERS UP? hey... lets use fire hoses!"

if people are going to spend hours and hours of their day organizing these rallys and trying to change the government by trying to stop systematic evils, i can at least sit in traffic for a few extra minutes.

also, permits to march are a farce, most of these "legalized protest" things are a farce. anything that actually matters won't be approved a permit, and this actually matters.

[Lachz0r]

people complain about how apathetic americans are re: their politics and shit, and yet here people are defending that very apathy

[RoboChimp2]

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46641014]A black man was choked to death and the cop's not being charged for it.[/QUOTE]Well that's why Obama should put cameras on cops.

[isak]

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46642556]people complain about how apathetic americans are re: their politics and shit, and yet here people are defending that very apathy[/QUOTE]

Americans, especially the educated youth, are incredibly active when it comes to protests and political activism.

Unfortunately almost none of them [I]fucking vote[/I].