Fox News abruptly cuts away from Giffords vigil the instant speaker mentions Palin
90 replies, posted
As stupid as Sarah Palin is, it seems silly that some campaign graphics and her stupid attitude are being seriously considered as being related to this tragedy.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;27325301]His favorite books include Plato's "The Republic" and "The Communist manifesto".
"Caiti Parker, who claimed she knew the suspect in high school four years earlier, described him as a politically radical loner who was left-wing or liberal at the time she knew him."
yeah, he was clearly related to the Tea Party.
What the [i]fuck[/i], facepunch, there's not a single thing tying him to Palin or the Tea Party. How is the OP any better than Fox News? He's a left wing radical who thought the government was mind controlling citizens. There is literally no connection to be made.[/QUOTE]
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME!? How tides work :downs:
I'm very disappointed that people are trying to turn this horrible incident into a political "he was left wing/ he was right wing" thing. If that was Fox's attempt to cut out the shit by flicking away from irrelevant political references, then that seems fair. Unless they just broadcasted five minutes of another person lampooning the left.
At lest they turned off Palin for the first time since she was born.
[QUOTE=Best4bond;27326149]At lest they turned off Palin for the first time since she was born.[/QUOTE]
Did you watch the video? It wasn't her....
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27326216]Did you watch the video? It wasn't her....[/QUOTE]
I know that but still... Even if its just a guy talking about Sarah.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27322865]As if you guys expected any better.
I'd honestly be surprised if they actually let a single liberal elaborate on a single point. Every interview I see with fox is just some extremely opinionated fox talk-show host spewing out some unintelligible garbage and not letting the guest finish a single sentence.[/QUOTE]
And what is the point in this case? Sarah Palin bears as much responsibility for this shooting as Barack Obama.
[sp]Psst, that means NONE.[/sp]
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27323728]I don't think it matters if it was Palin's map that set him off or not. Mentally unstable people can be set off by anything, and we shouldn't have to cater our society on not setting off unstable people.
99.99999999999% of people aren't going to see crosshairs on a map and then start thinking about shooting people.[/QUOTE]
Mental instability doesn't really explain the violence.
This is why Fox News are the best news ever.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;27325301]His favorite books include Plato's "The Republic" and "The Communist manifesto".
"Caiti Parker, who claimed she knew the suspect in high school four years earlier, described him as a politically radical loner who was left-wing or liberal at the time she knew him."
yeah, he was clearly related to the Tea Party.
What the [i]fuck[/i], facepunch, there's not a single thing tying him to Palin or the Tea Party. How is the OP any better than Fox News? He's a left wing radical who thought the government was mind controlling citizens. There is literally no connection to be made.[/QUOTE]
You can change a lot after high school.
Alright, I'll give it to you guys that the Giffords shooting is completely detached from Sarah Palin. However, let me ask you this:
What about the recent string of exploding packages? They were due to be delivered to several people on her "map", including one addressed to Giffords.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;27327814]Alright, I'll give it to you guys that the Giffords shooting is completely detached from Sarah Palin. However, let me ask you this:
What about the recent string of exploding packages? They were due to be delivered to several people on her "map", including one addressed to Giffords.[/QUOTE]
You do that more than one person can like or dislike a person right? and that the haters don't need to be linked in any way.
Guess what? Palin had nothing to do with it, the attacker had been planning this since 2007.
[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/10/arizona.shooting.investigation/index.html?hpt=T1[/URL]
Sorry, I don't really get the meaning of the gesture?
[QUOTE=Regulas021;27325301]His favorite books include Plato's "The Republic" and "The Communist manifesto".
"Caiti Parker, who claimed she knew the suspect in high school four years earlier, described him as a politically radical loner who was left-wing or liberal at the time she knew him."
yeah, he was clearly related to the Tea Party.
What the [i]fuck[/i], facepunch, there's not a single thing tying him to Palin or the Tea Party. How is the OP any better than Fox News? He's a left wing radical who thought the government was mind controlling citizens. There is literally no connection to be made.[/QUOTE]
He also said Mein Kampf was one of his favorite books, and the feds were investigating his ties to a right-wing white supremacist organization. He's by no means a left-wing radical.
[editline]10th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Saxon;27328990]Guess what? Palin had nothing to do with it, the attacker had been planning this since 2007.
[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/10/arizona.shooting.investigation/index.html?hpt=T1[/URL][/QUOTE]
I don't see anything in that article that says he was planning this since 2007, but nice try.
[editline]10th January 2011[/editline]
Regardless of the shooter's political leanings, Fox News cut away from the video as soon as someone said something that they disagree with - if that's not pushing an agenda, I don't know what is.
He isn't tied to palin or any political party at all from what I can tell. He was obviously intelligent but mentally unstable and wanted to get at a politician he disagreed with. I really don't see how you can blame anyone but the shooter in situations like this. If I don't like republicans and go off and shoot palin, is it now obama's and the democrats fault? No, it's mine because I was crazy and insane enough to decide murdering a person was a good idea.
FOX News abruptly cuts away Bill O'Riley's penis.
I would have no problem with Fox News if they didn't claim to be "fair and balanced".
[QUOTE=Bepo5;27330595]He isn't tied to palin or any political party at all from what I can tell. He was obviously intelligent but mentally unstable and wanted to get at a politician he disagreed with. I really don't see how you can blame anyone but the shooter in situations like this. If I don't like republicans and go off and shoot palin, is it now obama's and the democrats fault? No, it's mine because I was crazy and insane enough to decide murdering a person was a good idea.[/QUOTE]
Except Obama and the Democrats haven't been insinuating violence as a way to deal with the opposition.
A lot of the more radical right-wing talking heads make jokes about shooting Democrats and such. Sure, Keith Olbermann and company may be crazy, but at least they don't threaten violence.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27330947]Except Obama and the Democrats haven't been insinuating violence as a way to deal with the opposition.
A lot of the more radical right-wing talking heads make jokes about shooting Democrats and such. Sure, Keith Olbermann and company may be crazy, but at least they don't threaten violence.[/QUOTE]
Even so, I don't see how you can blame anyone but the shooter. Besides, all those comments that were a vague reference to violence were from months ago, and the shooter was obviously mentally unstable. If he was sane and didn't have crazy conspiracy theories plasted all over his youtube page, I would almost agree with you.
[QUOTE=Bepo5;27331046]Even so, I don't see how you can blame anyone but the shooter. Besides, all those comments that were a vague reference to violence were from months ago, and the shooter was obviously mentally unstable. If he was sane and didn't have crazy conspiracy theories plasted all over his youtube page, I would almost agree with you.[/QUOTE]
Violent rhetoric can set off unstable people.
If you tell someone who's already paranoid about the governement that a congressperson in his area is threatening his civil liberties and wants to take a way his freedom, and suggest violence against them, yeah, you might just give a crazy person ideas.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27331157]Violent rhetoric can set off unstable people.
If you tell someone who's already paranoid about the governement that a congressperson in his area is threatening his civil liberties and wants to take a way his freedom, and suggest violence against them, yeah, you might just give a crazy person ideas.[/QUOTE]
Sadly the only way to stop that then is to censor free speech, people are allowed to have violent rhetoric, and unfortunately unstable people can indeed easily take that as a cue to go on a shooting rampage.
And again I fail to see how it's palins fault that her violent rhetoric approach caused one crazy to go off and shoot a politician. Yes, she may indeed have caused that shooting if the guy was truly batshit insane and agreeing with palin, but the only way to prevent other shootings such as this is to shut down free speech. If I loudly disagree with someone and a crazy decides I am right and takes it into his own hands, is that really my fault? Apparently it is.
[QUOTE=Explosions;27330745]I would have no problem with Fox News if they didn't claim to be "fair and balanced".[/QUOTE]
I would have no problem with Fox News if they didn't claim to be a news organization, rather than an editorial organization.
[QUOTE=Bepo5;27331267]Sadly the only way to stop that then is to censor free speech, people are allowed to have violent rhetoric, and unfortunately unstable people can indeed easily take that as a cue to go on a shooting rampage.[/quote]
or people could, you know, not use violent rhetoric
it's not that hard
[quote]And again I fail to see how it's palins fault that her violent rhetoric approach caused one crazy to go off and shoot a politician. Yes, she may indeed have caused that shooting if the guy was truly batshit insane and agreeing with palin, but the only way to prevent other shootings such as this is to shut down free speech. If I loudly disagree with someone and a crazy decides I am right and takes it into his own hands, is that really my fault? Apparently it is.[/QUOTE]
again, i never said that we should ban violent rhetoric, i'm just saying that it's extremely irresponsible
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27331309]or people could, you know, not use violent rhetoric
it's not that hard
again, i never said that we should ban violent rhetoric, i'm just saying that it's extremely irresponsible[/QUOTE]
Agreed, it is irresponsible and generally stupid. Prove your point through disagreements, not with "RELOAD AMERICA!" Palin chose, perhaps stupidly, to use violent rhetoric, but it's still not her or any talkshow's host from any party's fault that one crazy interpreted that as a sign to go on a rampage. If anything is to blame, it's the fact that the shooter is insane and incredibly paranoid.
[QUOTE=Bepo5;27331383]Agreed, it is irresponsible and generally stupid. Prove your point through disagreements, not with "RELOAD AMERICA!" Palin chose, perhaps stupidly, to use violent rhetoric, but it's still not her or any talkshow's host from any party's fault that one crazy interpreted that as a sign to go on a rampage. If anything is to blame, it's the fact that the shooter is insane and incredibly paranoid.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying Palin's to blame, but the violent rhetoric of her and many other right-wingers has done nothing to calm this country's tense political climate.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27331439]I'm not saying Palin's to blame, but the violent rhetoric of her and many other right-wingers has done nothing to calm this country's tense political climate.[/QUOTE]
No, it really hasn't. Neither have many democratic comments, and if a vague comment referring to getting out and voting can be termed violent rhetoric than you are entirely correct.
I don't agree with palin and think she would be a horrible president, but I can't see how this is her fault at all. The "Violent rhetoric" things she has said have been from months ago, and were referred to getting out and voting. Poor choice of words perhaps, but no one could have seen that this would happen.
Anyways I am done with debating for now, but thank you for your opinion and arguing civilly, it's people like you that get out and speak their minds that make a difference in america.
American media revolves around guns and violence, you can't just blame a massacre on a single shoddy campaign poster trying to appeal to it's demographic with cutesy gun analogies. He never mentioned Sarah Palin or anything similar to her political ideals (read: right-wing authoritarianism) in any of his videos, for one. Much easier to link him to Ron Paul.
Also, we don't have all the info yet. Watch how they find a copy of the orange box in his closet and blame the whole massacre on Half-Life 2. Watch it happen.
[editline]10th January 2011[/editline]
shit whoops I said "revolves" like a revolver, I hope I don't inspire any massacres!
The quality is terrible, but I immediately though this scene from the simpsons-
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ3lmbn_hAU[/media]
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
