Report: Iran planning attacks on U.S. targets in Turkey
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[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;34270652]Here's what will happen if this escalates.
Iran attacks the usa targets,
Congress declares war.
Iran being an ally of north korea and russia, North korea declares war, As does russia.
The world in chaos, China attacks, seeing an opportunity, But on what side? Either they attack us, Their number 1 out put of national product, Or Russia and the other countries. It's still up in the air.
Or you know it could all blow over and this just be some stupid test so see reactions to it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and then Mexico, Lithuania, and The Democratic Republic of the Congo will form the Triple Alliance and perform a sneak attack on Australia, while Brazil and Indonesia will side with the Tunisians. Germany and France will start a war over the sovereignty of South Sudan as well.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;34279541][B]They have actually said that they would take Israel off the map[/B], and how they hate basic freedoms. This isn't just "propaganda",[B] it's facts.[/B] Some of it has been blown up by the media a little, [B]but there are some simple -bad- people in our world.[/B][/QUOTE]
oh lord fuck me
[QUOTE=Contag;34282776]oh lord fuck me[/QUOTE]The whole "wiping Israel off the map" comment actually seems to stem from a bad, rushed translation and what he really said was that there need to be regime change in Israel, something you hear twice a week from various nations across the world.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34274362]It would take more than a single attack to draw the US into a war.[/QUOTE]
World War 2?
[QUOTE=Scar;34275882]No. War, war never changes[/QUOTE]
No, war does change. Or does it?
[QUOTE=wari65;34282877]World War 2?[/QUOTE]
bro... we started Destroyers-for-bases and Lend-Lease way before Pearl Harbor. We had clearly picked sides.
we probably would have entered the war anyways, when Britain is facing imminent invasion.
parallels can be drawn between the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and Pearl Harbor.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;34279541]You can't go on about how Iran is super great and peaceful, and they just want nuclear energy. They have actually said that they would take Israel off the map, and how they hate basic freedoms. This isn't just "propaganda", it's facts. Some of it has been blown up by the media a little, but there are some simple -bad- people in our world.
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The ignorance in this post is astounding.
[editline]19th January 2012[/editline]
holy shit do you eat everything Fox feeds you? The claims you cite as "facts" is absolute bullshit and has been debunked thoroughly each time they're brought up.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;34279541]You can't go on about how Iran is super great and peaceful, and they just want nuclear energy. They have actually said that they would take Israel off the map, and how they hate basic freedoms. This isn't just "propaganda", it's facts. Some of it has been blown up by the media a little, but there are some simple -bad- people in our world.
Not saying we should bomb them and blow them up, but the answer my friend lies somewhere in the middle.[/QUOTE]
I dont even want to go through the trouble of getting the articles we always use.
Also;
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xIIZH3vQ75I/SxPeB5YQJhI/AAAAAAAABQI/zU37W3TqC_Y/s1600/haaretz-logo.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34285003]bro... we started Destroyers-for-bases and Lend-Lease way before Pearl Harbor. We had clearly picked sides.
we probably would have entered the war anyways, when Britain is facing imminent invasion.
parallels can be drawn between the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and Pearl Harbor.[/QUOTE]
'Bro', any act of aggression that large (such as blowing up and entire naval yard, 2403 casualties and 24 ships lost) would push any country to war. We only have 11 carriers, and if you blow one up you're basically guaranteeing an end of days, especially if relations are bad before such a thing occurs.
And how the hell are you drawing parallels with Arch Duke Ferdinand's assassination and Pearl Harbor? The duke's assassination had [I]nothing[/I] to do with our push into WWI, it was Britain's act of swaying us with false documents of Germany trying to force South America into war against the United States. Japan's surprise attack on Pearl Harbor sealed their fate, after months of us pushing a rubber and fuel embargo on them for their invasion of Mainland China.
....Also, Franz Ferdinand is a singer too, look him up he was sway in the 1900s :v:
[QUOTE=Starpluck;34286335]The ignorance in this post is astounding.
[editline]19th January 2012[/editline]
holy shit do you eat everything Fox feeds you? The claims you cite as "facts" is absolute bullshit and has been debunked thoroughly each time they're brought up.[/QUOTE]He's not raving like a Fox News lunatic, dude, calm down. Here's what I found supporting his arguments, that aren't from Fox News. All Fox does, really, is put a spin on an existing story they copied from CNN anyway.
[b]About Iran wanting to be really not nice to Israel[/b]
Israeli newspaper essentially saying Iran can't do shit with a nuke:
[url]http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/iranian-threat-to-destroy-israel-doesn-t-hold-up-1.263715[/url]
Various news sources saying Iran's going to blow up Israel for several reasons:
[url]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150159[/url]
[url]http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast/12/15/mideast.iran.reut/[/url]
[url]http://www.danielpipes.org/113/arabs-still-want-to-destroy-israel[/url]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?ex=1161230400&en=26f07fc5b7543417&ei=5070[/url]
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/06/03/us-iran-israel-usa-idUSL0261250620080603[/url]
[url]http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2005/12/2008410121819440724.html[/url]
Europeans getting pissed about Iranian comments about the matter:
[url]http://www.iranfocus.com/en/?option=com_content&task=view&id=4468[/url]
[b]Regarding Iran and it's leadership's dislike for human rights[/b]
This one was super difficult, as merely googling "Iran hates your freedom lol" turns up a lot of crazy shit. Apparently the Illuminati is also in Iran, and is controlling everything. Thankfully, I realized Wikipedia was back up, not like it mattered because all the previous sources I listed were on Wikipedia anyway. :(
An example of Iranian official word on the subject being bullshit:
First, Al Jazeera's report on Iran's word in 2011
[url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2011/10/201110205193213355.html[/url]
BBC reporting that Iran says they don't do not nice things in 2005
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4166137.stm[/url]
Oh, look, the Iranian penal code says execution by stoning, sword and other methods is A-OK!
[url]http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/natlex_browse.details?p_lang=en&p_country=IRN&p_classification=01.04&p_origin=COUNTRY&p_sortby=SORTBY_COUNTRY[/url]
All sorts of documentation that Iran commits a fuckload of human rights (which are basic freedoms) violations and have done so for some time:
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/nov/09/iran-human-rights-abuse[/url]
[url]http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2005/07/26/iran-end-juvenile-executions[/url]
[url]http://www.laweekly.com/2005-09-01/news/shame-of-iran/[/url]
[url]http://www.ukgaynews.org.uk/Archive/2005july/2101.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/world/middleeast/12iran.html[/url]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10545062[/url]
[url]http://blogs.amnesty.org.uk/blogs_entry.asp?eid=2497[/url]
[url]http://www.astreetjournalist.com/2010/05/09/farzad-kamangar-and-4-other-political-prisoners-executed/[/url]
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5217424.stm[/url]
[url]http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1144648.html[/url]
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6244126.stm[/url]
[url]http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/news/latest-news/?view=News&id=662412382[/url]
[url]http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hATGOzv6YSmgeMY1zdYbdpyrG2cw[/url] (you don't have them, Ahmadinejad because you kill the shit out of them)
[url]http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2005/10/10/iran-publicly-hangs-two-gay-teenagers/[/url]
[url]http://gayswithoutborders.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/iran-makwan-mouloodzadeh-was-executed-in-kermanshah-central-prison-at-5-am-this-morning/[/url]
[url]http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16103243[/url]
This one made me a bit sick, apparently guards rape virgin female prisoners so they don't go to heaven when executed
[url]http://www.mererhetoric.com/2009/07/19/figures-iranian-prison-guards-rape-female-prisoners-before-execution-lest-they-go-to-paradise/[/url]
[url]http://www.iranian.com/Women/2004/February/Rights/index.html[/url]
[url]http://www.omdurman.org/iran.html[/url] <-- this one's obviously fucking crazy but it's hilarious and has some good stuff in it
I could go on as I have about 30+ tabs open in a different window, but I [i]think[/i] you get what I'm hinting at. I didn't even go into the protests about the election, the Iranian crackdown makes the OWS police brutality look like a box of kittens cuddling baby bears.
What are you even trying to prove with your links? Iran doesn't have a good human rights record? No shit, we all know that.
What you haven't displayed, is:
1. Iran explicitly saying they will wipe Israel off - disliking Israel is totally fine so I'm not sure why you're linking me to them, the rhetoric is far worse from Israel. In fact, before you link me to a dated mistranslation, read this: [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-really-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/2011/10/04/gIQABJIKML_blog.html[/url]
2. Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons. [URL="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,670402,00.html"]They're enriching to 20%[/URL], which is far from being remotely weapons-grade. 20% is needed for medical purposes. (90% is needed for weapons)
[QUOTE=Laferio;34270258]fucking come at me Iran, you'll get stomped so hard.[/QUOTE]
That's a fucking terrible attitude. You sound excited about the prospect of conflict. Fuck yeah how fun is it when people die?!
What if this is just kicking up shit so that you are all prepared into the unquestioning war mentality.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;34289028]What are you even trying to prove with your links? Iran doesn't have a good human rights record? No shit, we all know that.
What you haven't displayed, is:
1. Iran explicitly saying they will wipe Israel off - disliking Israel is totally fine so I'm not sure why you're linking me to them, the rhetoric is far worse from Israel. In fact, before you link me to a dated mistranslation, read this: [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-really-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/2011/10/04/gIQABJIKML_blog.html[/url]
2. Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons. [URL="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,670402,00.html"]They're enriching to 20%[/URL], which is far from being remotely weapons-grade. 20% is needed for medical purposes. (90% is needed for weapons)[/QUOTE]I'll give you that first point, but Israeli rhetoric is about the same towards Iran, honestly. While not an official Iranian policy, Ahmadinejad has done a lot of shit-talking about Israel, just like every other high-ranking official in the Iranian government and clergy. The issue with that is the disposition of the Iranian government in an unofficial capacity towards Israel, which isn't good, and people tend to mix unofficial and official quite often. Whether or not that's a good thing is up to debate, but in this case I don't think it's entirely bad.
I also never bothered to prove anything about Iran's nuclear program. I, personally, don't think they're being honest about anything regarding that and I'm sure they're itching to find a way to get a nuclear weapon. It would be an excellent political tool and give them a pretty big card to play. Right now, it's impossible for any of us here to actually prove anything. Google is awesome, but not that awesome.
Just so you know all of the jets on that carrier are just for show and don't have any fuel in them because the economy is just that shit so the US can't afford it.
[QUOTE=Fables;34270738]Sorry kiddo, the world doesn't work like that.[/QUOTE]
Iran bombs US embassy.
U.S. declares war on iran and invades russia and steals their natural gas.
China nukes finland, and then the world explodes.
It makes perfect sense.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;34270652]Here's what will happen if this escalates.
Iran attacks the usa targets,
Congress declares war.
Iran being an ally of north korea and russia, North korea declares war, As does russia.
The world in chaos, China attacks, seeing an opportunity, But on what side? Either they attack us, Their number 1 out put of national product, Or Russia and the other countries. It's still up in the air.
Or you know it could all blow over and this just be some stupid test so see reactions to it.[/QUOTE]
Then we can all go to the Winchester to have a nice Pint while it all blows over.
I think they are just pissed because U.S navy is still in straight of Hormuz, and EU keeps trying to impose sanctions. The six world powers tried to talk to Iran but that was a stalemate; they just need to come clean about their nuclear program.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34279701]Yes, and then Mexico, Lithuania, and The Democratic Republic of the Congo will form the Triple Alliance and perform a sneak attack on Australia, while Brazil and Indonesia will side with the Tunisians. Germany and France will start a war over the sovereignty of South Sudan as well.[/QUOTE]
That sounds like a normal Paradox game.
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