• The law is changing, and this is big.
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Makes me think of this. [video=youtube;4CzocBkrWpA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CzocBkrWpA[/video]
[QUOTE=areolop;34812380]Before, you had to be read your rights before any interviewing/interrogations. You did it that way because of the victim not knowing that he has the right to stop talking. (this avoids court cases with "I didnt know that.. ")[/QUOTE] No, you didn't. I was actually told that this was [I]not[/I] the case just semester year in my constitutional law class, so it sounds like it's just being codified now via case law. [QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;34812321]Woah woah What the fuck What does this solve[/QUOTE] Reading helps. [QUOTE]The Supreme Court said Tuesday investigators don't have to read Miranda rights to inmates during jailhouse interrogations about crimes unrelated to their current incarceration.[/QUOTE] Which has always been the case. Your fifth amendment rights protect you from self-incrimination in a particular case, not your right not to incriminate others, or shit that doesn't attach to that case. You have a right to silence, though, which is a portion of a Miranda warning, but as the majority of it applies to you, as in, suspect being looked into for X currently, where it is there to protect you from being "compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against" yourself, it's pretty much irrelevant. This is just it hitting the court and people now having indisputable proof that that's how it works. If it [I]is[/I] about you, the warning just changes. Which was also almost always the case. NBD, really. Why would you need clarification of a bunch of shit that doesn't currently apply to you?
[QUOTE=wraithcat;34812733]To be honest this isn't a big deal as the miranda rights being told to you is a way to bring a person back to reality to make them realise they do have legal rights. If they are already imprisoned they are fully aware of this and the shock isn't the same. As a result they can be expected to still know where they stand.[/QUOTE] Believe it or not, when I worked in corrections a lot of people have little knowledge of how the system works or their own rights. A lot of them just sit in front of a judge and don't listen to anything until the hear their bail. I've had people come up to me from the housing unit and ask "can you set my bail so i can go home", "When are you guys going to set my bail (meaning guards)" and the funniest thing I've heard was "Hey, are you a judge?" Just a few people, however a lot of them have no grasp or even the slightest interest in their rights. A lot of them don't even get involved in their damn cases, only a few stay on the ass of the public defenders. Normally when we did interviews for in-jail crimes we told the inmates that they can talk to us if they want, however if they don't want to answer questions they don't have to. A lot of them don't simply because "snitches get stitches" mentality. As for crimes that take place and require a peace officer to do a report (Actual crime) normally they just write up a report and slap the charge on them after all the proper information/investigation is given. They're already incarcerated so it is kinda pointless to say their rights again when an arresting officer already did it, and so did a judge.
Is it bad that I'm actually fairly impressed Facepunch didn't immediately go into a "Police state" bandwagon at this?
[QUOTE=Squad;34812387]Do you plan on going to prison? I mean really? Just don't do anything illegal and this doesn't apply to you?[/QUOTE] NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO HIDE Awful.
This is some bullshit. I got arrested once, half the charges I never heard of. Now I'm more aware after thousands of dollars in fees and classes. I got out of the system, I got very lucky. I got my felony dropped. I had no idea what I was doing was a felony, I was only 18 and completely uneducated about the laws. Yes, some stuff is obvious but I had no idea what I did was a felony (Outrunning the police by vehicle, I wen for only a minute then parked, ran, and got away. They were just pissed off they failed to catch me) otherwise I would have never had done that. This helps nothing with the abusive power the police have become so use to using. They get in trouble if they don't read your rights.
Tell me again why America is considered civilized? Is it because Hollywood? [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Shiftyze;34813118]This is some bullshit. I got arrested once, half the charges I never heard of. Now I'm more aware after thousands of dollars in fees and classes. I got out of the system, I got very lucky. I got my felony dropped. I had no idea what I was doing was a felony, I was only 18 and completely uneducated about the laws. Yes, some stuff is obvious but I had no idea what I did was a felony (Outrunning the police by vehicle, I wen for only a minute then parked, ran, and got away. They were just pissed off they failed to catch me) otherwise I would have never had done that. This helps nothing with the abusive power the police have become so use to using. They get in trouble if they don't read your rights.[/QUOTE] You didn't know that running from cops ordering you to stop is illegal? Christ son! What are you?
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;34812321]Woah woah What the fuck What does this solve[/QUOTE] Streamlining the criminal system, because rights are rather inconvenient.
[QUOTE=JamesRaynor;34813405]Streamlining the criminal system, because rights are rather inconvenient.[/QUOTE] This just means it's not necessary to read your Miranda Rights every time you take a prisoner in to be questioned, since it's still in effect following the first time the rights were given. After re-reading the article again this thread's title is grossly misleading compared to the actual subject matter of the article, is there any way it can be changed?
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;34813500]This just means it's not necessary to read your Miranda Rights every time you take a prisoner in to be questioned, since it's still in effect following the first time the rights were given. After re-reading the article again this thread's title is grossly misleading compared to the actual subject matter of the article, is there any way it can be changed?[/QUOTE] What do you mean? This is big news. Not having your rights read to you before questioning is something that normally ends in a court-case being thrown out.
[QUOTE=areolop;34813686]What do you mean? This is big news. Not having your rights read to you before questioning is something that normally ends in a court-case being thrown out.[/QUOTE]The reason behind that is because suspects had no idea what their rights were, so they were required to read them first so that the suspect will be aware. The reasoning behind this is that, because they have already been previously convicted, they are already aware of their rights and it is unnecessary to read them to them once again.
Horrible title. A good title in SH has two components: - A description of what is actually in the article - The country the article is from (where relevant, and shit is it relevant here). that said I don't mind so much that cops don't have to read the Miranda to those who are already in jail (and who already had them read to), but I'd rather the prisoner have the option to be reminded of what exactly those rights are (if for instance they've been in jail for ten years and forgot them).
as long as the rights still stand, this doesn't change or mean anything
i'm ashamed to be american
[QUOTE=PILLS HERE!;34823397]i'm ashamed to be american[/QUOTE]Why? This isn't suspending anyone rights or anything.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;34812422]Better take up arms and start popping cops like every fearful American does.[/QUOTE] wow you managed to make an even worse post than his congrats
This isn't as crazy as it's made out to be. Everyone is read their Miranda rights upon time of arrest, so I don't see what it's that big a deal to read them again when you're questioning someone already arrested and imprisoned. If they really did inform him that he was free to terminate the interrogation at any point, it's on him that he stayed there for 7 hours and confessed.
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