• The Absurd World of Russian Public Opinion
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I love how the west thinks the rest of the world thinks like us. this is why the west is just as shit as the east (the rest of the world, equal in effluence), we will never learn to accept other cultures and believe there is some kind of universal moral code that all should follow. putin has made a farce of the west by showing how weak bureaucracy and passive facades are. dont you think its strange that one see's their culture as the good side? [I]pshhhh [/I]open your eyes and stop trying to make allegiances about brainwashing and intelligence.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47219769]tbf you fit the description of the OP perfectly with the [B]things you've posted[/B] and the timing of your request just fits too well. [editline]26th February 2015[/editline] even gonna mention that of all threads this is the one you chose to request to be closed[/QUOTE] And [B]what[/B] are the things i posted? Come on, give us a nice quote of my posts to confirm your presentation.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47219715]Maybe, it is, but who cares now, this thread going to be about Me ever since mod decided just to share my request here. Join the laughs. Well that is heart warming althought i was only banned for flaming once when i suggested digestion of genitalias. Aside from that. I am jsut straight forward about sharing my opinion.[/QUOTE] But... Why ask to close the thread in the first place?
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47219801]And [B]what[/B] are the things i posted? Come on, give us a nice quote of my posts to confirm your presentation.[/QUOTE] I think other members can confirm what I've said if they've seen your posts before. :)
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47219810]I think other members can confirm what I've said if they've seen your posts before. :)[/QUOTE] Wow, if you really want to argue with the guy, how about you actually have a valid argument rather than throwing up your self-righteousness (implied by how wrong you're trying to call them) into the air and let your $10 gold user name catch the zings? I for one haven't seen any of this drama before hand and from my perspective, you're basically being an asshole to someone you don't agree with instead of having a thoughtful argument. It adds nothing but support for the argument that westernised minds are just as biased and toolish as a counterpart.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47219805]But... Why all to class the thread in the first place?[/QUOTE] Cause i can? I asked a mod whenever a thread filled with crappy interview and research presentation as source is worthy of a thread in SH in a first place since i saw how many threads like this one where closed for being "not newsworthy" in past? Here infact my precise message. [quote]Entire article is but a sum of interview of one person and statistics that are not news whatsoever. Does such qualfies as thread fitting to sensationalist headlines? Cause i think he found an article at website and posted a thread only to steer up flaming argument.[/quote]
[QUOTE=barrab;47219822]Wow, if you really want to argue with the guy, how about you actually have a valid argument rather than throwing up your self-righteousness (implied by how wrong you're trying to call them) into the air and let your $10 gold user name catch the zings?[/QUOTE] you can literally just look at his posted threads and see the pro-Russian mentality, I don't need to babysit anyone with simply going to his profile and look at his post history lol
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47219824]Cause i can? I asked a mod whenever a thread filled with crappy interview and research presentation as source is worthy of a thread in SH in a first place since i saw how many threads like this one where closed for being "not newsworthy" in past? Here infact my precise message.[/QUOTE] don't you outrageously defend Russia in every thread it's mentioned though. If anything your proof this article might not be baloney which is why it probably won't be locked until somebody blows a gasket [editline]a[/editline] Looking through your reply history a majority of your posts are defending Russia without fail. also yeah your just trying to close this thread because it concerns you lol
[QUOTE] I for one haven't seen any of this drama before hand and from my perspective, you're basically being an asshole to someone you don't agree with instead of having a thoughtful argument. It adds nothing but support for the argument that westernised minds are just as biased and toolish as a counterpart.[/QUOTE] going on an incoherent rambling doesn't help either bud
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47219830]you can literally just look at his posted threads and see the pro-Russian mentality, I don't need to babysit anyone with simply going to his profile and look at his post history lol[/QUOTE] Woah woah woah, wait, you're telling me a russian has a pro-russian mentality? Does this mean that say, certain american's would have a pro-american mentality despite massive scandals from murder to torture to corruption? You are literally telling me he is pro-russia and that's why you dislike him. OK, mccarthy. [QUOTE=Gwoodman;47219840]going on an incoherent [B]rambling[/B] doesn't help either bud[/QUOTE] do you mean [B]rant[/B]? Are you actually going for the "attack all typos and sentence structure" approach? No wonder you have problems with foreigners if incorrect english short circuits you like that.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47219383]Karimatrix asked me to close this thread.[/QUOTE] Being a big dumb american, how far did he think that'd get him?
[QUOTE=barrab;47219858]Woah woah woah, wait, you're telling me a russian has a pro-russian mentality? Does this mean that say, certain american's would have a pro-american mentality despite massive scandals from murder to torture to corruption? You are literally telling me he is pro-russia and that's why you dislike him. OK, mccarthy.[/QUOTE] You speak of a valid argument and go on implications and things I didn't said... I never said I didn't like him, he's pro-Russian(not because he's russian) but because of what he has posted before, it isn't of my concern or guilt that you haven't seen or been part of those previous arguments.
[QUOTE=Satane;47219877]Western media is brainwashing you into thinking russia is the bad guy just as much as putin is brainwashing russians. stop feeling so superior.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's why I love the US and EU so mu- Oh wait, I don't.
[QUOTE=Satane;47219877]Western media is brainwashing you into thinking russia is the bad guy just as much as putin is brainwashing russians. stop feeling so superior.[/QUOTE] yeaaah but the west hasn't annexed a part of a country for extremely vague reasons sooo... I am more inclined to believe the west a bit more on this... I don't even like the west that much, they do a lot of shitty things
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47219866]You speak of a valid argument and go on implications and things I didn't said... I never said I didn't like him, he's pro-Russian(not because he's russian) but because of what he has posted before, it isn't of my concern or guilt that you haven't seen or been part of those previous arguments.[/QUOTE] Sorry, have I been inferring your relationship to the guy all wrong? Apparently all he posts is pro-russian rhetoric, so in affect, you do dislike him because he's pro-russian.
[QUOTE=EditOutJ;47219706]I actually prefer Karimatrix to post in these threads. His views IMO are actually quite a interest insight to some of Russia's many mentalities and how a citizen would go about telling people their opinion. Not defending him or his views, I just find that (without flaming) his posts do add to a discussion.[/QUOTE] It's always good to have some kind of opposing voice in SH. Problem is in most cases if you're not going with the echo chamber, you just get ganged up upon, with everyone pulling shitty arguments out of their ass and circlejerking.
[QUOTE=barrab;47219893]Sorry, have I been inferring your relationship to the guy all wrong? Apparently all he posts is pro-russian rhetoric, so in affect, you do dislike him because he's pro-russian.[/QUOTE] Again, I didn't say I disliked him?
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;47219889]yeaaah but the west hasn't annexed a part of a country for extremely vague reasons sooo... I am more inclined to believe the west a bit more on this... I don't even like the west that much, they do a lot of shitty things[/QUOTE] do you even know the history of america? are you even aware of what happened in 2001 when the US straight up lied to the entire world in order to invade iraq? [editline]26th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Gwoodman;47219903]Again, I didn't say I didn't like him?[/QUOTE] OK, lets not argue semantics, would "dislike his posts", suit you better? This entire thread you've been trying to undermine him and make him look a fool, I apologise if I thought the implication was a personal dislike, maybe you're just bad at communicating your ideas in a pleasant way?
[QUOTE=barrab;47219904]OK, lets not argue semantics, would "dislike his posts", suit you better? This entire thread you've been trying to undermine him and make him look a fool, I apologise if I thought the implication was a personal dislike, maybe you're just bad at communicating your ideas in a pleasant way?[/QUOTE] Not really, you just seem to be very heated, blaming me for everything and all.
Since Gwoodman is a such a nice guy to not try here are quote of my statements on most of recent things i'll provide most recent examples - post where i aknowledge that both ukranians [B]AND REBELS[/B] need a big peacekeeping whip to keep them in line during cease fire. [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1451486&p=47152561&highlight=#post47152561[/url] Here is a call out to Mr. Scorpicus believing i can't pull la joke about my own country stealhy rolling support for rebels or any other bullshit [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1448583&p=47029227&highlight=#post47029227[/url] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1451167&p=47136020&highlight=#post47136020[/url] And here is where i remark absurdical behavior of lifenews ([B]THE RUSSIAN NEWS STATION[/B]) journalist during Minsk conference [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1450903&p=47125393&highlight=#post47125393[/url] As much as i love Joazz's tribute pic, (wich was brought up to light when during Initial crash of MH-17 i asked people to wait for official statement from appointed commisions rather than play internet detectives around unofficial rebel sources) i don't deserve half the fame i get here.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47219916]Not really, you just seem to be very heated, blaming me for everything and all.[/QUOTE] Ah, deny everything and blame another for agression, how very political of you, putin would be proud. It's been said before, its obvious by practically every sensationalist headline thread, it's even been said in this thread a few times, that of course karimatrix is going to have a very unpopular opinion and because people can't argue very well, undermining him to look like a brainwashed sheep makes one's opinion feel crystallised and makes his opinion of no consequence - two birds with one stone +10 points to america
[QUOTE=barrab;47219936]Ah, deny everything and blame another for agression, how very political of you, putin would be proud.[/QUOTE] Works both ways.
[QUOTE=barrab;47219904]are you even aware of what happened in 2001 when the US straight up lied to the entire world in order to invade iraq?[/QUOTE]we bringing that into this now?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47219952]Works both ways.[/QUOTE] This is EXACTLY what I've been trying to point out, I wonder why it's so hard for you to actualise in the face of a news thread (with a $10 username, I'm just going to assume it's vanity and crowd mentality). [editline]26th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Joazzz;47219982]we bringing that into this now?[/QUOTE] You say that like it has no relevance. All I mean is that there were no consequences then (besides a war that has only escalated) and there will be no consequences now.
Honestly it is heartbreaking in a way to see Russia do this to itself. Much of the progress of the past few decades in Russia-Unitest States relations is sort of on the line now due to this. With all of the crazy technological shit going on during that time the nations of the world should be making steps forward instead of steps back.
[QUOTE=Satane;47219877]Western media is brainwashing you into thinking russia is the bad guy just as much as putin is brainwashing russians. stop feeling so superior.[/QUOTE] I think when it comes to Russian history, we might be a little justified in thinking that they aren't exactly doing things for the benefit of the Ukrainian people.
[QUOTE=mecaguy03;47220010]Honestly it is heartbreaking in a way to see Russia do this to itself. Much of the progress of the past few decades in Russia-Unitest States relations is sort of on the line now due to this. With all of the crazy technological shit going on during that time the nations of the world should be making steps forward instead of steps back.[/QUOTE] Unrelated to Russia, but it's extremely sad that the once flourishing Middle East, which gave us our numbers, named constellations, and developed sciences is now stuck in the 1300 mentality-wise Unfortunately this is how history goes.
I've never met a Russian who doesn't genuinely like and support Putin.
[QUOTE=barrab;47219858]Woah woah woah, wait, you're telling me a russian has a pro-russian mentality? Does this mean that say, certain american's would have a pro-american mentality despite massive scandals from murder to torture to corruption? You are literally telling me he is pro-russia and that's why you dislike him. OK, mccarthy. do you mean [B]rant[/B]? Are you actually going for the "attack all typos and sentence structure" approach? No wonder you have problems with foreigners if incorrect english short circuits you like that.[/QUOTE] Americans are pro-America, that doesn't mean we love our government no question. The United States were founded on civil disobedience. That doesn't mean we hate our country. It's fine to love one's culture, but in Russia it's become love the government. Russians should love their culture. Putin is not Russian culture. How can you look at the things that these people are saying and just spout "WELL AMERICANS DO IT TOO!" How does this not sound like a certain someone from Russia just a couple of years ago? How can you think all of this is fine?
[QUOTE=Deng;47220090]I think when it comes to Russian history, we might be a little justified in thinking that they aren't exactly doing things for the benefit of the Ukrainian people.[/QUOTE] "I think when it comes to German history, we might be a little justified in thinking that they aren't exactly doing thins for the benefit of the French people." RF isn't the USSR and isn't tzarist Russia. Its far far far from perfect but equally its got a long way to go till its either of those 2. Every country has done terrible things somewhere down the line and holding the culprits children's children isn't reasonable. Its not a rational fear or concern you are holding. That combined with the various doomsayer statements you've been posting since your main account got banned and this new one popped up, leads me to believe that you just don't like Russia and/or Russians.
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