• The Absurd World of Russian Public Opinion
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Your mindset is "Bad things are happening and if something worse happens, they cancel out bad things" which is completely ridiculous. [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=barrab;47221817]And yet climate change is on the rise, blood mines and sweatshop environments still operate on a mass scale, chemical weapons are being used almost every week without consequence, corruption is rampant. It's a really nice argument you have there saying things are getting better therefore there is no need for reform, but that is not looking at much of a bigger picture is it? As the population increases, balance is lost. It won't be much of a life for chinese workers mass producing protein vitamin pills working in 53 degree rooms with 6000 other people doing the exact same thing, while we sit at home playing on our Steam boxes, waiting for a good moment to change the thermostat.[/QUOTE] Yeah, let's ignore all the good things that are never reported because it doesn't pay well for the news channels and we all know only controversy gets them views. Grow up.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47221815]Yes. Do you think the military only serves for war? lol[/QUOTE] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Hkmp5count-terr-wiki.jpg[/img] this is a gun, can you tell me what guns are primarily designed for? military: relating to or characteristic of soldiers or armed forces what do we arm our forces with? the military are there to kill or threaten to kill. there's a reason some countries don't have armies you know
Don't forget about deterring war, resolving conflict, promoting peace, supporting civil authorities in response to domestic crises, arms control and peacekeeping, including humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47221822]Your mindset is "Bad things are happening and if something worse happens, they cancel out bad things" which is completely ridiculous. [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] Yeah, let's ignore all the good things that are never reported because it doesn't pay well for the news channels and we all know only controversy gets them views. Grow up.[/QUOTE] No, you have designated me with that mindset, don't put words in my mouth and put quotation marks around it [I]please[/I]. A world war is so significant passed the short term suffering and it's pretty shocking that you seem to think that we are living sustainably and it's downright hilarious that you think climate change is a sensational headline view grabber.
[QUOTE=barrab;47221859]No, you have designated me with that mindset, don't put words in my mouth and put quotation marks around it [I]please[/I].[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=barrab;47221694]History has shown that when democracy fails, anarchy breaks out and through that anarchy comes autocracy, which will break down in its own time to give rise to another form of leadership.[/QUOTE] Yeah, [I]I[/I] designated you...
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47221847]Don't forget about deterring war, resolving conflict, promoting peace, supporting civil authorities in response to domestic crises, arms control and peacekeeping, including humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to tell me that you need a military to do all these things? This is essentially fighting fire with fire, something I'm sure you'd berate me for. If we were united -and not just in a bureaucratic sense-, we wouldn't need a killing force to preserve lives.
[QUOTE=barrab;47221817]And yet climate change is on the rise, blood mines and sweatshop environments still operate on a mass scale, chemical weapons are being used almost every week without consequence, corruption is rampant. It's a really nice argument you have there saying things are getting better therefore there is no need for reform, but that is not looking at much of a bigger picture is it?[/QUOTE] On what principle is it that, when we see nothing but improvement behind us, we are to expect nothing but deterioration before us?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47221867]Yeah, [I]I[/I] designated you...[/QUOTE] [quote]"Bad things are happening and if something worse happens, they cancel out bad things"[/quote] [quote]History has shown that when democracy fails, anarchy breaks out and through that anarchy comes autocracy, which will break down in its own time to give rise to another form of leadership.[/quote] How are the two similar at all? Or are you defining autocracy as a "worse thing"?
[QUOTE=barrab;47221869]we wouldn't need a killing force to preserve lives.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE][B]The[/B] [B]military are forces authorized to use lethal force, and weapons[/B][/QUOTE] Oh my, I guess you were right the entire time Oh no, wait: [QUOTE][B]Support the interests of the state and some or all of its citizens. The task of the military is usually defined as defense of the state and its citizens, and the prosecution of war against another state. The military may also have additional sanctioned and non-sanctioned functions within a society, including, the promotion of apolitical agenda, protecting corporate economic interests, internal population control, construction, emergency services, social ceremonies, and guarding important areas. The military can also function as a discrete sub-culture within a larger civil society, through the development of separate infrastructures, which may include housing, schools, utilities, food production and banking.[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Deng;47221876]On what principle is it that, when we see nothing but improvement behind us, we are to expect nothing but deterioration before us?[/QUOTE] On the principle that we are blinded by our achievements and blinded further by our attempts to erase short-comings.
[QUOTE=barrab;47221880]How are the two similar at all? Or are you defining autocracy as a "worse thing"?[/QUOTE] If you don't see it, then I'm positive you're really ignorant, sayonara, enjoy your negativity while I put my positive vibes to better use.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47221884]Oh my, I guess you were right the entire time Oh no, wait:[/QUOTE] this block of text talks about military's in a very current world sense. I suppose you can't even imagine a world without a military can you? if we didnt put so much money into the military, we wouldn't have to out source military resources.
[QUOTE=barrab;47221892]On the principle that we are blinded by our achievements and blinded further by our attempts to erase short-comings.[/QUOTE] So what makes it different now compared to the past, considering we live in the wealthiest, happiest, most peaceful, healthiest, and educated time in history? Where equality between the sexes is at its most advanced?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47221896]If you don't see it, then I'm positive you're really ignorant, sayonara, enjoy your negativity while I put my positive vibes to better use.[/QUOTE] Ahh, so what this comes down to is again, you being unable to see outside of your glass ball of digital displays and fellow humans all telling you that what you've been told is the truth and everything you know is right. But hey, the world is going great right? Tell that to the guy who made your motherboard or curtains.
[QUOTE=barrab;47221934]Ahh, so what this comes down to is again, you being unable to see outside of your glass ball of digital displays and fellow humans all telling you that what you've been told is the truth and everything you know is right. But hey, the world is going great right? Tell that to the guy who made your motherboard or curtains.[/QUOTE] It must feel good talking down to other people for sins you commit yourself.
this guy is like a less entertaining version of DainBramageStudios
[QUOTE=barrab;47221934]Ahh, so what this comes down to is again, you being unable to see outside of your glass ball of digital displays and fellow humans all telling you that what you've been told is the truth and everything you know is right. But hey, the world is going great right? Tell that to the guy who made your motherboard or curtains.[/QUOTE] This contemptuous attitude mixed with your lackluster arguments is hilarious. Also, number one problem in your little support of autocracy: There isn't going to be any good if the person that gets the sole power has bad intentions.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47219667]Yes, I did, no way to deny that. Except a reason was not that i am denying brainwashing in Russia, but rather that in my opinion this thread is simply not Sensationalist value? And no, i am not pissed off. I was called a Putin Lover even thought i openly critisezed my goverment multiple times. I am being surrounded by shit rumours regarding my political stance ever since i simply noticed absence of critique toward Ukranian forces actions, soo this won't add up much.[/QUOTE] Why did you even think it would ever work anyway.
[QUOTE=Deng;47221919]So what makes it different now compared to the past, considering we live in the wealthiest, happiest, most peaceful, healthiest, and educated time in history? Where equality between the sexes is at its most advanced?[/QUOTE] Because we are able to subvert attentions so easily now. We live in all these supposed states, yet obesity has doubled since 1980, diabetes is on the rise. The world has changed so dynamically, so quickly, that new problems have arisen and are much harder to combat because everyone [I]knows[/I] that the world is getting better. Take the Russian situation for example, Putin understands the way the world has changed and is able to wage this horrific war with little consequence, despite being under total scrutiny while he does it (and he's been up to this kind of shit for a long while). [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Deng;47221954]It must feel good talking down to other people for sins you commit yourself.[/QUOTE] I live in a world where I don't believe anything till I get to see it for myself. I have all these things, I just don't try patting myself on the back at the same time. [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Gwoodman;47221971]This contemptuous attitude mixed with your lackluster arguments is hilarious. Also, number one problem in your little support of autocracy: There isn't going to be any good if the person that gets the sole power has bad intentions.[/QUOTE] And what "bad" intentions would there be if everyone was in agreement? I mean, sure it could happen and the world would resolve it. Sure, it's an ideal world, but isn't that what we want? I mean, even if everyone was agreeing under duress, the problem would only arise when people decided to revolt - as with this world, a problem only occurs when someone revolts against a given ideal.
Yeah, I advise you to stop reading about Neo-reactionary ideals. [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=barrab;47221978]And what "bad" intentions would there be if everyone was in agreement? I mean, sure it could happen and the world would resolve it. Sure, it's an ideal world, but isn't that what we want?[/QUOTE] Humans have been fighting for freedom their entire existence against the type of people you support on, do you really think anyone sane would be in agreement to submit to that one person? [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] Actually don't answer, I stopped caring.
[QUOTE=barrab;47221978]Because we are able to subvert attentions so easily now. We live in all these supposed states, yet obesity has doubled since 1980, diabetes is on the rise. The world has changed so dynamically, so quickly, that new problems have arisen and are much harder to combat because everyone [I]knows[/I] that the world is getting better.[/quote] Thinking that the world is getting better isn't the same as being naive or having blind trust. I respect reality. I think that the world is full of horrible problems, but the most fascinating thing is that it's actually possible to not only resolve them, but to do so without killing people. [quote]Take the Russian situation for example, Putin understands the way the world has changed and is able to wage this horrific war with little consequence, despite being under total scrutiny while he does it (and he's been up to this kind of shit for a long while).[/quote] That's because we have ways of resolving conflict without going to war you know. [quote]I live in a world where I don't believe anything till I get to see it for myself.[/QUOTE] Ah, so have you been to the factories of China, the fields of Angola, the oil wells of Nigeria, the slums of Caracas, and the battles of Ukraine and Syria?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;47221993]Yeah, I advise you to stop reading about Neo-reactionary ideals. [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] Humans have been fighting for freedom their entire existence against the type of people you support on, do you really think anyone sane would be in agreement to submit to that one person?[/QUOTE] WOW, is that like a half godwin? I haven't read any kind of nazi literature, I don't consider myself a nazi, but you know, well done for making the connection between autocracy and the nazi's, you definitely did finish high school. When you say humans and entire existence, what is it that you mean? You seem to be envisioning a greedy, cruel autocratic leader, rather than a kind thoughtful humanist who has seen the world reborn through ashes.
[QUOTE=barrab;47222029]WOW, is that like a half godwin? I haven't read any kind of nazi literature, I don't consider myself a nazi, but you know, well done for making the connection between autocracy and the nazi's, you definitely did finish high school. When you say humans and entire existence, what is it that you mean?[/QUOTE] he didn't even use the word nazi in his post you silly man
[QUOTE=Deng;47222018]Thinking that the world is getting better isn't the same as being naive or having blind trust. I respect reality. I think that the world is full of horrible problems, but the most fascinating thing is that it's actually possible to not only resolve them, but to do so without killing people. That's because we have ways of resolving conflict without going to war you know. [/quote] Again, you seem to think I'm pro-war? I'm not pro-war, I'm anti-whereeverwearenow. [quote] Ah, so have you been to the factories of China, the fields of Angola, the oil wells of Nigeria, the slums of Caracas, and the battles of Ukraine and Syria?[/QUOTE] In the absence of fact, you must accept a quantum believe gated by reason and logical razor, it's not fucking rocket science. [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;47222036]he didn't even use the word nazi in his post you silly man[/QUOTE] So what kind of people do you think he was talking about, because I assure you he wasn't talking about his great leader. I am not a supporter of death or inequality, its quite the opposite. I just know that when I fuck up a drawing, I don't let the page get full of smears, I get a new piece of paper and start again, go figure.
[QUOTE=barrab;47222053]I'm anti-whereeverwearenow.[/quote] Part of which justifies a world war to unite humanity. [quote]In the absence of fact, you must accept a quantum believe gated by reason and logical razor, it's not fucking rocket science.[/quote] Well, how do you personally know things? Why do you know that people in China have poor living conditions, and why do you know that things are getting worse?
[QUOTE=barrab;47222053]So what kind of people do you think he was talking about, because I assure you he wasn't talking about his great leader.[/QUOTE] do you know what a reactionary is
[QUOTE=barrab;47222053]So what kind of people do you think he was talking about, because I assure you he wasn't talking about his great leader.[/QUOTE] you know you don't need a nazi to be a bad person lol [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=barrab;47222053]Again, you seem to think I'm pro-war? I'm not pro-war, I'm anti-whereeverwearenow.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=barrab;47221631]I for one am in full support of a world war 3[/QUOTE] :|
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;47222071]do you know what a reactionary is[/QUOTE] uh, again, I'm not of a conservative mindset. You have really misunderstood what I'm saying here. Keep piling on those labels if it makes you feel better in not actually discussing the point. [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Gwoodman;47222077]you know you don't need a nazi to be a bad person lol [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] :|[/QUOTE] So you just skimmed over every time I talked about new beginnings and the ends justifying the means? paraphrasing does not make you right, it makes you fox news [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Deng;47222070]Part of which justifies a world war to unite humanity. Well, how do you personally know things? Why do you know that people in China have poor living conditions, and why do you know that things are getting worse?[/QUOTE] are you seriously trying to tell me that this: [img]http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Hong-Kong-pro-Democracy-protests.jpg[/img] didn't happen? In order to know anything, you must accept that you know nothing and that every knowledge is subject to change, bias from a biological lens and just being straight up wrong.
[QUOTE=_Axel;47219348]Not exactly surprising, inflicting sanctions on the country and thus affecting the population negatively is likely to make them support their government when they're seen as the only institution defending their interests.[/QUOTE] Just a heads up...all of the west sanctions are on Russian financial sectors and oligarchs, the Russians themselves imposed sanctions on foreign food imports. And as I pointed out in the last sanction thread the ruble was going to crash even without the whole Ukraine thing, Russia needs oil at 110-120$/barrel to balance the books, guess what, its at 40-50$/barrel, nowhere near enough, without sanctions foreign capital would have stabilized but it would still have fallen in value not quite as much though
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47221072]and Americans criticized the fuck out of those wars.[/QUOTE] Yeah, so much that Bush Jr. got a second term in the office. [QUOTE=Mech Bgum;47222097] But I'm really afraid of time when Putin will be gone, because I have no idea what will happen, grim possibilities are just too plausible. So that makes me approve him, out of fear I guess. [/QUOTE] Oh don't worry, we'll just get a heir like the last time. Although that didn't really work out back then, Putin probably learned a thing or two from his own biography, not to give power to some obscure nobody. 'cause elections are wishful thinking, with a radioactive wasteland of a political field we have now that ain't happening for at least 20 more years.
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